Quote from The Creation Flood, published decades before you made your argument:
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An infinite universe with finite matter is a vacuum with null density. Any mass divided by infinite space yields zero density. Indeed, infinite mass divided by infinite space also gives zero density, yet infinite matter necessitates a solid object encompassing the entire infinite universe. Both of these possibilities fly in the face of the most basic observation.
then they owe royalties to Henry Jordan (who said it slightly earlier) and various people dating back to the reformation
Word for word, at least until he goes off the deep end right after and says, "The mathematics are complex, but any radius much exceeding seven thousand light years will always yield either impossibly high or impossibly low densities."
well thats Balls
the size before nul (a much older term than Vacuum) is not calculable unless you know the actual mass of the universe and we don't
But as the observable universe is at least 12 times larger than that (even allowing for fraud on the part of nasa) he needs to speak to his maths teacher
Only, of course, if you ignore something called cardinality. One infinity is not always equal to another infinity.
Maths says it does (GREEK maths actually)
A universe of infinite size with finite mass localized in a finite space is consistent with deep-sky observation and only breaks down at the background radiation - this model would predict no background. This universe would have an average density of zero, but a localized finite nonzero density.
it could not localise it would disperse at infinite speed
A universe of infinite size evenly populated with matter throughout is actually more consistent, as it actually predicts a background radiation, just not in the form we detect, it predicts a background through the entire spectrum. This universe would have infinite size, infinite mass, but finite nonzero density, because the infinite mass is cardinally lower than the infinite size.
it would be SOLID
and full of an infinite number of religious and scientific frauds
you see its possible to understand that the universe can't be endless without believing in Abraham
or Unicorns (Unicorns having been observed / reported more often than higgs particles)
and by more credible men (including several Knights )
then they owe royalties to Henry Jordan (who said it slightly earlier) and various people dating back to the reformation
well thats Balls
the size before nul (a much older term than Vacuum) is not calculable unless you know the actual mass of the universe and we don't
But as the observable universe is at least 12 times larger than that (even allowing for fraud on the part of nasa) he needs to speak to his maths teacher
Maths says it does (GREEK maths actually)
it could not localise it would disperse at infinite speed
it would be SOLID
and full of an infinite number of religious and scientific frauds
you see its possible to understand that the universe can't be endless without believing in Abraham
or Unicorns (Unicorns having been observed / reported more often than higgs particles)
and by more credible men (including several Knights )
Sollvax, having what you called an "Alpha mind" is one thing. Having the mind of an idiot is another. They both share what you said - they are hard to change and hard to break.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Alpha mind
Intractable , Strong willed , obsessive , prepared to die for a cause or ideal , prone to considering only one point of view often a trait of military officers , religious vocations and Scientists
Beta mind
Seeks to adapt to the Group view , concilatory , agreeable , follower type
Delta mind
Evaluates the flow and seeks a level ground , indecisive , often a trait in social workers , teachers and care professions
Epsilon mind
Hates order and reason , will argue ANY point to attack or destroy anothers view
Theres also the "multiple" mind
who does not fit these
when Alpha personalities clash neither will give ground
because BOTH are right
in the view of the one being in existance either of them will listen to (themself)
and yes i am an Alpha mind
I do not bow to group will
And i don't like to be threatened or told to self terminate either
Can we just wrap this up and create a Higgs Particle Trace item (and doff missions) for STO? Or at least post ideas for the Devs to consider as a homage to science.
Excuse me for interjecting but Sollvax has been known to have many alternative views from the rest of us. However, this is no justification to continually target him on the forums.
I've met him before in game. I quite regularly see him on ESD Zone chat every 'morning' US time. There is nothing inherently wrong with his viewpoints. Infact, his commentary can be a refreshing change of pace and point out various new discussion points none of us had seen before.
There is no gain calling him out. There is no gain calling him names. Accept that he is from a different culture from the rest of us STO community members (if you talked to sollvax you'll realize that). Sollvax is, I repeat, one of US THE COMMUNITY and it is up to us to try and find some way of reaching a consensus on this forums without butting heads for months on end creating forum drama for no logical purpose.
Because you know, I actually sat in on a few ESD debates which seemed to run against sollvax (he jokingly talks about Hirogen-like people hunting him down and was afraid to voice his opinion), Nevertheless, as much as I was irritated by SOME of his words and conversation paths, I also realized he made very good points in often indirect ways.
This dynamicism of human culture has the potential to highlight discussion areas that the rest of us miss out. Even if you disagree, there is an option to avoid him, pursue other paths of discussion, or take any other option you deem feasible.
Anything that doesn't involve personal attacks and/or ridicule, because you know, he's been subject to that for at least 3 months now, and like it or not, he's here to stay.
If no one can make sense of sollvax's posts, then fine. I will take it upon myself to communicate with this individual whom you all despise. I will chart down a list of his ideas on a regularly updated blog. I will write analyses and how they related to STO's current affairs.
I will give him a place in the community, and his own niche to fill, just as we all have found in our weeks, months and indeed, years here.
You cannot change how a person reacts to social stimuli. But you can use his base reasoning and posts in good faith to find common ground and develop them. This is what Star Trek is about - creating progress out of seemingly impossible situations through advancement and enlightenment.
And if no one is going to take up that challenge, that is where I will boldly go. Because you know, those ESD debates were transformed into constructive analyses in a mere 5 minutes of casual ESD zone chat participation and debate.
STF Flight Instructor since Early 2012. Newbies are the reason why STO lives and breathes today. Do not discriminate.
Anything that doesn't involve personal attacks and/or ridicule, because you know, he's been subject to that for at least 3 months now, and like it or not, he's here to stay.
The problem is he started off by insulting the scientific profession, suggesting they fabricated results for personal gain. This is *highly* insulting to every scientist, like calling all women prostitutes. A lot of people were offended, but he just kept going anyway. Everyone who tried to get the thread back on topic just got drowned out as he trolled more and more.
If you think that's all fine, then how much? It's okay, I'm from a different culture.
Can we just wrap this up and create a Higgs Particle Trace item (and doff missions) for STO? Or at least post ideas for the Devs to consider as a homage to science.
Excuse me for interjecting but Sollvax has been known to have many alternative views from the rest of us. However, this is no justification to continually target him on the forums.
I've met him before in game. I quite regularly see him on ESD Zone chat every 'morning' US time. There is nothing inherently wrong with his viewpoints. Infact, his commentary can be a refreshing change of pace and point out various new discussion points none of us had seen before.
There is no gain calling him out. There is no gain calling him names. Accept that he is from a different culture from the rest of us STO community members (if you talked to sollvax you'll realize that). Sollvax is, I repeat, one of US THE COMMUNITY and it is up to us to try and find some way of reaching a consensus on this forums without butting heads for months on end creating forum drama for no logical purpose.
Because you know, I actually sat in on a few ESD debates which seemed to run against sollvax (he jokingly talks about Hirogen-like people hunting him down and was afraid to voice his opinion), Nevertheless, as much as I was irritated by SOME of his words and conversation paths, I also realized he made very good points in often indirect ways.
This dynamicism of human culture has the potential to highlight discussion areas that the rest of us miss out. Even if you disagree, there is an option to avoid him, pursue other paths of discussion, or take any other option you deem feasible.
Anything that doesn't involve personal attacks and/or ridicule, because you know, he's been subject to that for at least 3 months now, and like it or not, he's here to stay.
If no one can make sense of sollvax's posts, then fine. I will take it upon myself to communicate with this individual whom you all despise. I will chart down a list of his ideas on a regularly updated blog. I will write analyses and how they related to STO's current affairs.
I will give him a place in the community, and his own niche to fill, just as we all have found in our weeks, months and indeed, years here.
You cannot change how a person reacts to social stimuli. But you can use his base reasoning and posts in good faith to find common ground and develop them. This is what Star Trek is about - creating progress out of seemingly impossible situations through advancement and enlightenment.
And if no one is going to take up that challenge, that is where I will boldly go. Because you know, those ESD debates were transformed into constructive analyses in a mere 5 minutes of casual ESD zone chat participation and debate.
Where is it?
And for the record, I do sometimes agree with his posts. For example, the "Are small fleets doomed?" thread, where his answers were often comprehensible (as much as they can be with his kind of spelling, anyway ), and in fact, I even sided with him when some guy wanted to remove 90% of all existing fleets, and likely shrink the remaining 10%.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Some of us are working in a second or third language (with the wrong Alphabet as well) We try
You were referring to my comment on your spelling/grammar/etc., I presume?
And come to think of it, "spelling" was a very poor choice of words, as you do it quite well - however your posts are somewhat chaotic and break some of the more basic rules of grammar (upper and lower-case usage, commas, semicolons, periods... that sort of stuff, makes your posts a bit hard to read in my opinion)
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Nice! It sounds sort of silly to think that thing could give other particles mass since its rest mass is so much more than the proton though. I hadn't really thought about it until she said something. Argh.
(Also, sorry if my last post offended anyone. I was in a grumpy mood when I typed it because I was worried about a friend of mine.)
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then they owe royalties to Henry Jordan (who said it slightly earlier) and various people dating back to the reformation
well thats Balls
the size before nul (a much older term than Vacuum) is not calculable unless you know the actual mass of the universe and we don't
But as the observable universe is at least 12 times larger than that (even allowing for fraud on the part of nasa) he needs to speak to his maths teacher
Maths says it does (GREEK maths actually)
it could not localise it would disperse at infinite speed
it would be SOLID
and full of an infinite number of religious and scientific frauds
you see its possible to understand that the universe can't be endless without believing in Abraham
or Unicorns (Unicorns having been observed / reported more often than higgs particles)
and by more credible men (including several Knights )
Sollvax, having what you called an "Alpha mind" is one thing. Having the mind of an idiot is another. They both share what you said - they are hard to change and hard to break.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Alpha mind
Intractable , Strong willed , obsessive , prepared to die for a cause or ideal , prone to considering only one point of view often a trait of military officers , religious vocations and Scientists
Beta mind
Seeks to adapt to the Group view , concilatory , agreeable , follower type
Delta mind
Evaluates the flow and seeks a level ground , indecisive , often a trait in social workers , teachers and care professions
Epsilon mind
Hates order and reason , will argue ANY point to attack or destroy anothers view
Theres also the "multiple" mind
who does not fit these
when Alpha personalities clash neither will give ground
because BOTH are right
in the view of the one being in existance either of them will listen to (themself)
and yes i am an Alpha mind
I do not bow to group will
And i don't like to be threatened or told to self terminate either
Can we just wrap this up and create a Higgs Particle Trace item (and doff missions) for STO? Or at least post ideas for the Devs to consider as a homage to science.
Excuse me for interjecting but Sollvax has been known to have many alternative views from the rest of us. However, this is no justification to continually target him on the forums.
I've met him before in game. I quite regularly see him on ESD Zone chat every 'morning' US time. There is nothing inherently wrong with his viewpoints. Infact, his commentary can be a refreshing change of pace and point out various new discussion points none of us had seen before.
There is no gain calling him out. There is no gain calling him names. Accept that he is from a different culture from the rest of us STO community members (if you talked to sollvax you'll realize that). Sollvax is, I repeat, one of US THE COMMUNITY and it is up to us to try and find some way of reaching a consensus on this forums without butting heads for months on end creating forum drama for no logical purpose.
Because you know, I actually sat in on a few ESD debates which seemed to run against sollvax (he jokingly talks about Hirogen-like people hunting him down and was afraid to voice his opinion), Nevertheless, as much as I was irritated by SOME of his words and conversation paths, I also realized he made very good points in often indirect ways.
This dynamicism of human culture has the potential to highlight discussion areas that the rest of us miss out. Even if you disagree, there is an option to avoid him, pursue other paths of discussion, or take any other option you deem feasible.
Anything that doesn't involve personal attacks and/or ridicule, because you know, he's been subject to that for at least 3 months now, and like it or not, he's here to stay.
If no one can make sense of sollvax's posts, then fine. I will take it upon myself to communicate with this individual whom you all despise. I will chart down a list of his ideas on a regularly updated blog. I will write analyses and how they related to STO's current affairs.
I will give him a place in the community, and his own niche to fill, just as we all have found in our weeks, months and indeed, years here.
You cannot change how a person reacts to social stimuli. But you can use his base reasoning and posts in good faith to find common ground and develop them. This is what Star Trek is about - creating progress out of seemingly impossible situations through advancement and enlightenment.
And if no one is going to take up that challenge, that is where I will boldly go. Because you know, those ESD debates were transformed into constructive analyses in a mere 5 minutes of casual ESD zone chat participation and debate.
My Youtube Channel
actually there is a suggestion for a particle already
The problem is he started off by insulting the scientific profession, suggesting they fabricated results for personal gain. This is *highly* insulting to every scientist, like calling all women prostitutes. A lot of people were offended, but he just kept going anyway. Everyone who tried to get the thread back on topic just got drowned out as he trolled more and more.
If you think that's all fine, then how much? It's okay, I'm from a different culture.
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Scientists like anyone else can be corrupt
and I see this research as dangerous , expensive and clearly a risk to mankind
because true or false its going to make people doubt the world
and people who lose faith tend to kill
Where is it?
And for the record, I do sometimes agree with his posts. For example, the "Are small fleets doomed?" thread, where his answers were often comprehensible (as much as they can be with his kind of spelling, anyway
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
You were referring to my comment on your spelling/grammar/etc., I presume?
And come to think of it, "spelling" was a very poor choice of words, as you do it quite well - however your posts are somewhat chaotic and break some of the more basic rules of grammar (upper and lower-case usage, commas, semicolons, periods... that sort of stuff, makes your posts a bit hard to read in my opinion)
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I learned English as a requirement of my Military training more than anything else.
So I would imagine I come across as filling in a requistion form .
Probably for Tires (ever tried to get tires from a military stores NCO?)
STFS do not come close
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I can offer this in return: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qzqIHj4uGI
Nice! It sounds sort of silly to think that thing could give other particles mass since its rest mass is so much more than the proton though. I hadn't really thought about it until she said something. Argh.
(Also, sorry if my last post offended anyone. I was in a grumpy mood when I typed it because I was worried about a friend of mine.)
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Not a good idea to post online when you are in dispersal mode grumpy.
Ain't Nobody Got Time for That
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