You guys do know that this same "what's it do for ME?!" ludditry gets trotted out every single time some major theoretical research enters the public consciousness, and you do know that each and every sodding time it's led to another huge leap forward in technology?
I mean TRIBBLE bells people, we're still reaping the benefits of the last major theoretical breakthroughs in quantum electrodynamics; packed-spiral fibre optics, quantum levitation, graphene circuitry, quantum computers, nano-engineered micro-bubbles combined with ultrasound for targeted drug delivery, carbon nanotubes, etc etc etc etc. You are, right now, complaining about this new theoretical research on a machine which came about as the result of theoretical research! The same is true in any scientific field; do you think the chaps in the Netherlands working on intensive hydrofarming technologies just pulled the idea out of their backsides fully-formed? Of course not, it took decades of hypothesising and testing and expensive machinery, that's how science works, and now they've developed a method of growing plants that gives four times the yield in one third of the acreage, half the time, and with 90% less water use.
Science is not, as many people think, a series of isolated "eureka moments", it is a slog, a long, expensive, sometimes demoralising slog, but that is what's necessary if you want the shiny shiny toys at the end.
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they already knew what it did, just didn't have any confirmation...so where exactly is the great leap forward in just confirming something? they knew the math, they had predictions, they had theories...enough to find it. the discovery just confirmed what was already known.
now, if there's something else they can glean that will be beneficial other than it just a very expensive physics experiment...great. but it's absence wasn't holding anything back. so there is a marked difference in a discovery that leads to something, and one that leads to nothing but confirmation of a theory. oh, and maybe shiny nobel prizes, fame, getting to waggle fingers in the faces of peers that disputed the theory, and bragging rights...i suppose it was worth it then.
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Its that big for the same reason David Copperfield makes buildings vanish
the bigger the spectacle the easier it is to decieve people
As I saw i will believe this only when someone who isn't PAID to look for it finds it
And matter is SOLID
all particles are matter
look small enough and you find smaller and smaller bits of matter (protons are MATTER too)
As to the "great advances of science"
yes remember these gems??
Weaponised virus strains
Nuclear weapons
Microwave weapons
Sonic WEAPONS
what next?
Higgs WEAPONS??
And the computer is a result of people Raging AGAINST the march of tech if scientists had been given their way the human race in general would never have been given computers
they would exist only in labs
But no matter how good the tech looking to recreate the big bang is bloody stupid
as the big bang may not actually have happened at all (one theory) or may have destroyed a previous universe (another theory)
or may not have stopped yet (a third theory)
So why does it so offend you that I do not believe the word of a bunch of people who spend MY money and Risk MY planet so they can find something that proves we don't exist??
I like being alive and having a soul and yes being made of the Elements
As I saw i will believe this only when someone who isn't PAID to look for it finds it
People used to believe in aether. Einstein came along with some theories that eventually proved it wrong. Ever heard of him?
If someone came along and disproved the Higgs, that someone would be right up there with him. Did you know he was offered the Presidency of Israel? What's the $$$ value of that, do you think?
@sosolidshoe
they already knew what it did, just didn't have any confirmation...so where exactly is the great leap forward in just confirming something? they knew the math, they had predictions, they had theories...enough to find it. the discovery just confirmed what was already known.
now, if there's something else they can glean that will be beneficial other than it just a very expensive physics experiment...great. but it's absence wasn't holding anything back. so there is a marked difference in a discovery that leads to something, and one that leads to nothing but confirmation of a theory. oh, and maybe shiny nobel prizes, fame, getting to waggle fingers in the faces of peers that disputed the theory, and bragging rights...i suppose it was worth it then.
But that's the point, they didn't know what it did, or what it was, it was an entirely hypothetical construct which was devised in order to solve some of the issues that arise when attempting to reconcile special relativity and quantum gravity. It was the most likely of the available hypotheses, but it was nowhere near certain until they built CERN and got this 5-sigma result. Now we can move forward, and begin to discover how it works, by which mechanisms it interacts with other subatomic particles, and how to use that knowledge for our own benefit.
And things were exactly the same in the wake of the initial confirmation of special relativity, of quantum electrodynamics, of every major discovery ever made. They've just broken ground on the foundations, but you're already deriding them because you can't ride the elevator to the top floor.
We're talking about the mechanism by which all matter in the universe derives mass; you genuinely can't see the potential of increasing our understanding of such a phenomena?
As for you solivax, pick up all your batcrap-insane lizard-illuminati nonsense and jog on mate, your ignorance and the pride you seem to take in it are killing my buzz.
We are PWE. Your forums and game accounts will be added to our own. Your community will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
People used to believe in aether. Einstein came along with some theories that eventually proved it wrong. Ever heard of him?
If someone came along and disproved the Higgs, that someone would be right up there with him. Did you know he was offered the Presidency of Israel? What's the $$$ value of that, do you think?
not a lot ??
Einstein yes a patent clerk with some theories of his own to start with
also apparently a friend of norma jean
and as for your Buzz
remember e does NOT equal Mc squared except in 1 G gravity and earths atmosphere according to your wonderful smart scientists (haha)
yes just recently people every bit as well qualified as these "lizard believing " guys at cern said that the speed of light was not the universal speed limit
they might be wrong they might be right
who cares
So why does it so offend you that I do not believe the word of a bunch of people who spend MY money and Risk MY planet so they can find something that proves we don't exist??
I like being alive and having a soul and yes being made of the Elements
there are no Tiny invisible bartenders in me
In a way I think it's a compliment that people like this get accused of trolling because most can't accept that someone could spout this much gibberish and be sincere, so it must be a dumb joke.
Well, I will have to side with sollvax on some of his arguments here...
For one: Common sense dictates that time passes equally everywhere - it is in fact the VISIBLE passing of time that changes, unless the interactions of subatomic particles themselves are stopped/accelerated/slowed. Unless you mean to say that approaching the speed of light (most notable example of time slowing down or accelerating in modern physics) actually does slow down these interactions - which, on the other hand, is impossible as all of the particles will be moving at the same speed +/- the speed of their own movements independent of whatever means are maintaining abovementioned speed.
In other words, every particle in the human body (just an example) would be moving independently of an ALS (just made that up, At Light Speed) capable ship, whilst at the same time moving along with the ship at roughly the speed of light. You see this every day, only slower - the Earth is moving at considerable speeds as it orbits the Sun, which orbits the center of the galaxy, which is moving in relation to other galaxies and possibly even orbiting another place, yet we move around it at quite modest speeds compared to that.
However, as for the particles themselves - it is only logical that the particles are composed of something. But what is that something composed of? And what is that something the previous something is composed of, and so forth? Following that logic, every single particle in the universe is composed of several smaller particles, which are in turn composed of even smaller particles, etc. etc. etc.
Edit: Hold on a second... did he even make a comment about the second thing?
Anyway, the first one he DID talk about, and I just explained my view on it.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that based on what I said above, the light from, say, a laser pointer (relatively focused source of light, makes the calculation a lot simpler if you focus on the speed in a set direction), would travel at precisely the following sum: S1 (absolute velocity of the laser pointer) - S2 (a rather complex formula I don't quite know that calculates the relative speed of the pointer towards the light, with -C being the result if the light was travelling in precisely the same direction as the pointer, and C if it was travelling in precisely the opposite direction). So if the laser was pointing in exactly the same direction it was moving in, and if it was moving at the speed of light, the sum would be 2C, and if it were pointing in the opposite direction at the same speed, the light wouldn't be moving in relation to... Hold on, I think I just realized why it's believed that time stops/slows down... anything that is absolutely immobile or moving in the opposite direction of an object emitting light in its wake whilst moving at the speed of light would... wait, it wouldn't see the object in the first place? Bah, I know I forgot to factor in the fact that there is no true vacuum (not in space, anyway) and that the particles around the light would eventually impact the photons and... Oh what the heck, I'll let somebody with more expertise figure it out.
Re-edit: But the point is, the speed of light is not a constant at all, as it is, like all others, relative to other objects. So theoretically, light travelling in the direction of an ALS object would move at twice its speed (it evens out, though, as the object itself is approaching at the speed of light... at least I think it evens out) but light travelling in the opposite direction would not move at all without the assistance of external factors including but not limited to the particles in the so-called vacuum of space.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
once they confirm is it is the higgs boson particle what would this mean other then increasing our understanding of the universe? I mean in more of a practical sense?
once they confirm is it is the higgs boson particle what would this mean other then increasing our understanding of the universe? I mean in more of a practical sense?
A lot of the people involved consider that the *only* thing that's practical.
Its that big for the same reason David Copperfield makes buildings vanish
the bigger the spectacle the easier it is to decieve people
As I saw i will believe this only when someone who isn't PAID to look for it finds it
And matter is SOLID
all particles are matter
look small enough and you find smaller and smaller bits of matter (protons are MATTER too)
As to the "great advances of science"
yes remember these gems??
Weaponised virus strains
Nuclear weapons
Microwave weapons
Sonic WEAPONS
what next?
Higgs WEAPONS??
And the computer is a result of people Raging AGAINST the march of tech if scientists had been given their way the human race in general would never have been given computers
they would exist only in labs
But no matter how good the tech looking to recreate the big bang is bloody stupid
as the big bang may not actually have happened at all (one theory) or may have destroyed a previous universe (another theory)
or may not have stopped yet (a third theory)
So why does it so offend you that I do not believe the word of a bunch of people who spend MY money and Risk MY planet so they can find something that proves we don't exist??
I like being alive and having a soul and yes being made of the Elements
there are no Tiny invisible bartenders in me
Higgs weapons? Interesting, the first thing that came to mind for me, when considering the possibility of affecting mass in the form of a manipulable energy field was "alcubierre warp drive!"
For one: Common sense dictates that time passes equally everywhere.
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!
Gravity affects time flow, even at the smallest scales. GPS satellites have to take into account the variation of flow of time between the ground and their orbits, or they'd be inaccurate as heck. This is not some pie in the sky theory, it is practical and proven knowledge....
Gravity affects time flow, even at the smallest scales. GPS satellites have to take into account the variation of flow of time between the ground and their orbits, or they'd be inaccurate as heck. This is not some pie in the sky theory, it is practical and proven knowledge....
Can you elaborate, please?
*wonders if there is something like a chroniton to be affected by gravity :rolleyes:*
Edit: Also, I do believe I focused more on the theory that approaching the speed of light slows time down during my wall of text.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Time is a constant
Light and various forms of waves are slowed down by gravity (proving they are made of matter)
but time
not "human measurement of time" or "perception of time" is and remains a constant
there have always been 1000 pulses to a kilopulse and there always will be
Meanwhile back in the bat cave
The scientists who claimed only this year to have made something move faster than light now agree they didn't
And the scientists behind the "higgs whatsit" (A much better name) freely admit that they have only "some evidence" and "a possible sighting"
Given a year they will likely admit that they are wrong.
in much the same way that previous scientists have admitted they were wrong about
Cold fusion . matter transmission , "Dark matter" and other similar garbage.
A lot of the people involved consider that the *only* thing that's practical.
okay, that does not answer my question exactly but u have hinted there are practical implications , if that was what your meant to say. All I can say is about time, warp drive or hyperspace travel and starships here we come
No this would not allow starfall
It could be used (if it existed ) to destroy on a massive scale (cause the particulates to disipate or concentrate) but it would likely make starfall impossible
"och captain if we exceed warp one the higgs whatsits will implode and we will all wind up speaking in Korean Sir"
Time dilation per special relativity isn't just a product of velocity. Gravitational potential also produces an accelerated frame of reference.
It's quite well tested, as well. The Pound-Rebka experiment proved the effect with gravitational redshifts in 1959. The redshift of the objects tested was off the expected by the exact same factor expected by Einstein's equations, and no branch of physics has ever come up with an accurate model to postdict the results of that experiment.
The effect can be detected in communications from interplanetary probes (first measured with Viking 1, it's been tested in many other probes but was never a subject of interest after Viking), and as somebody else pointed out the GPS system will drift out of alignment if it's not periodically corrected for the effect. Its even been tested in single buildings, and a few years ago Wolfson managed to confirm it in a single room with two atomic clocks less than a meter of vertical separation, at which point the gravitation slowing of the lower clock is greater than the velocity slowing of the upper clock - that is, the lower clock drifts behind, but when looking only at velocity you'd expect the upper clock to drift behind.
It's not like gravity effecting a chroniton because... well, chronitons aren't a thing. They're not consistent with any experimentally supported theory, or even any of the exotic hypothetical physics branches. It's a fictional extension of the hypothesis that all forces are carried by massless particles the way electromagnetism is carried by a spin 1 photon. Gravitons are part of that - unconfirmed but consistent - but time isn't, because it's not a force.
Time dilation per special relativity isn't just a product of velocity. Gravitational potential also produces an accelerated frame of reference.
It's quite well tested, as well. The Pound-Rebka experiment proved the effect with gravitational redshifts in 1959. The redshift of the objects tested was off the expected by the exact same factor expected by Einstein's equations, and no branch of physics has ever come up with an accurate model to postdict the results of that experiment.
The effect can be detected in communications from interplanetary probes (first measured with Viking 1, it's been tested in many other probes but was never a subject of interest after Viking), and as somebody else pointed out the GPS system will drift out of alignment if it's not periodically corrected for the effect. Its even been tested in single buildings, and a few years ago Wolfson managed to confirm it in a single room with two atomic clocks less than a meter of vertical separation, at which point the gravitation slowing of the lower clock is greater than the velocity slowing of the upper clock - that is, the lower clock drifts behind, but when looking only at velocity you'd expect the upper clock to drift behind.
It's not like gravity effecting a chroniton because... well, chronitons aren't a thing. They're not consistent with any experimentally supported theory, or even any of the exotic hypothetical physics branches. It's a fictional extension of the hypothesis that all forces are carried by massless particles the way electromagnetism is carried by a spin 1 photon. Gravitons are part of that - unconfirmed but consistent - but time isn't, because it's not a force.
Interesting. And the chroniton thing was just sarcasm :P
As for Viking, that could easily be due to my previous arguments, but I have absolutely no idea how to counter your other arguments, so I guess I'm either stupid or you're right.
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Well, according to what I read recently - a scientist wanted to write a book or journal article about the Higgs Boson, and wanted to title it "The ******n Particle", because it was so difficult to find. The editor or publisher or what not apparantly didn't like swear words and changed it to "god particle", without asking for consent of the author. Now it has that silly name.
It doesn't have anything to do with god or mystical stuff or anything like that. It's only meaning is that a theory that tried to explain why some elemental particles have mass and some don't has made an accurate prediction and is thus more likely to be true - and overall pretty much is another important confirmation of our theory on elemental particles and elemental forces.
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I mean TRIBBLE bells people, we're still reaping the benefits of the last major theoretical breakthroughs in quantum electrodynamics; packed-spiral fibre optics, quantum levitation, graphene circuitry, quantum computers, nano-engineered micro-bubbles combined with ultrasound for targeted drug delivery, carbon nanotubes, etc etc etc etc. You are, right now, complaining about this new theoretical research on a machine which came about as the result of theoretical research! The same is true in any scientific field; do you think the chaps in the Netherlands working on intensive hydrofarming technologies just pulled the idea out of their backsides fully-formed? Of course not, it took decades of hypothesising and testing and expensive machinery, that's how science works, and now they've developed a method of growing plants that gives four times the yield in one third of the acreage, half the time, and with 90% less water use.
Science is not, as many people think, a series of isolated "eureka moments", it is a slog, a long, expensive, sometimes demoralising slog, but that is what's necessary if you want the shiny shiny toys at the end.
We are PWE. Your forums and game accounts will be added to our own. Your community will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
they already knew what it did, just didn't have any confirmation...so where exactly is the great leap forward in just confirming something? they knew the math, they had predictions, they had theories...enough to find it. the discovery just confirmed what was already known.
now, if there's something else they can glean that will be beneficial other than it just a very expensive physics experiment...great. but it's absence wasn't holding anything back. so there is a marked difference in a discovery that leads to something, and one that leads to nothing but confirmation of a theory. oh, and maybe shiny nobel prizes, fame, getting to waggle fingers in the faces of peers that disputed the theory, and bragging rights...i suppose it was worth it then.
Donate Brains, zombies in Washington DC are starving.
the bigger the spectacle the easier it is to decieve people
As I saw i will believe this only when someone who isn't PAID to look for it finds it
And matter is SOLID
all particles are matter
look small enough and you find smaller and smaller bits of matter (protons are MATTER too)
As to the "great advances of science"
yes remember these gems??
Weaponised virus strains
Nuclear weapons
Microwave weapons
Sonic WEAPONS
what next?
Higgs WEAPONS??
And the computer is a result of people Raging AGAINST the march of tech if scientists had been given their way the human race in general would never have been given computers
they would exist only in labs
But no matter how good the tech looking to recreate the big bang is bloody stupid
as the big bang may not actually have happened at all (one theory) or may have destroyed a previous universe (another theory)
or may not have stopped yet (a third theory)
So why does it so offend you that I do not believe the word of a bunch of people who spend MY money and Risk MY planet so they can find something that proves we don't exist??
I like being alive and having a soul and yes being made of the Elements
there are no Tiny invisible bartenders in me
People used to believe in aether. Einstein came along with some theories that eventually proved it wrong. Ever heard of him?
If someone came along and disproved the Higgs, that someone would be right up there with him. Did you know he was offered the Presidency of Israel? What's the $$$ value of that, do you think?
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But that's the point, they didn't know what it did, or what it was, it was an entirely hypothetical construct which was devised in order to solve some of the issues that arise when attempting to reconcile special relativity and quantum gravity. It was the most likely of the available hypotheses, but it was nowhere near certain until they built CERN and got this 5-sigma result. Now we can move forward, and begin to discover how it works, by which mechanisms it interacts with other subatomic particles, and how to use that knowledge for our own benefit.
And things were exactly the same in the wake of the initial confirmation of special relativity, of quantum electrodynamics, of every major discovery ever made. They've just broken ground on the foundations, but you're already deriding them because you can't ride the elevator to the top floor.
We're talking about the mechanism by which all matter in the universe derives mass; you genuinely can't see the potential of increasing our understanding of such a phenomena?
As for you solivax, pick up all your batcrap-insane lizard-illuminati nonsense and jog on mate, your ignorance and the pride you seem to take in it are killing my buzz.
We are PWE. Your forums and game accounts will be added to our own. Your community will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
not a lot ??
Einstein yes a patent clerk with some theories of his own to start with
also apparently a friend of norma jean
and as for your Buzz
remember e does NOT equal Mc squared except in 1 G gravity and earths atmosphere according to your wonderful smart scientists (haha)
yes just recently people every bit as well qualified as these "lizard believing " guys at cern said that the speed of light was not the universal speed limit
they might be wrong they might be right
who cares
(C is actually a variable probably)
In a way I think it's a compliment that people like this get accused of trolling because most can't accept that someone could spout this much gibberish and be sincere, so it must be a dumb joke.
Is there a dressing to go with this word salad?
this is the thing
Quantum and quarks , bosons and bings , up down sideways and charm
its ALL a scam to get more beer money
long ago men used to dress up in long robes and chant claiming they could call the storm
they looked for truths in the entrails of geese
their replacements are "scientists"
I firmly believe If I offered these men more money they could be induced to prove that Unicorns work in tescos
For one: Common sense dictates that time passes equally everywhere - it is in fact the VISIBLE passing of time that changes, unless the interactions of subatomic particles themselves are stopped/accelerated/slowed. Unless you mean to say that approaching the speed of light (most notable example of time slowing down or accelerating in modern physics) actually does slow down these interactions - which, on the other hand, is impossible as all of the particles will be moving at the same speed +/- the speed of their own movements independent of whatever means are maintaining abovementioned speed.
In other words, every particle in the human body (just an example) would be moving independently of an ALS (just made that up, At Light Speed) capable ship, whilst at the same time moving along with the ship at roughly the speed of light. You see this every day, only slower - the Earth is moving at considerable speeds as it orbits the Sun, which orbits the center of the galaxy, which is moving in relation to other galaxies and possibly even orbiting another place, yet we move around it at quite modest speeds compared to that.
However, as for the particles themselves - it is only logical that the particles are composed of something. But what is that something composed of? And what is that something the previous something is composed of, and so forth? Following that logic, every single particle in the universe is composed of several smaller particles, which are in turn composed of even smaller particles, etc. etc. etc.
Edit: Hold on a second... did he even make a comment about the second thing?
Anyway, the first one he DID talk about, and I just explained my view on it.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that based on what I said above, the light from, say, a laser pointer (relatively focused source of light, makes the calculation a lot simpler if you focus on the speed in a set direction), would travel at precisely the following sum: S1 (absolute velocity of the laser pointer) - S2 (a rather complex formula I don't quite know that calculates the relative speed of the pointer towards the light, with -C being the result if the light was travelling in precisely the same direction as the pointer, and C if it was travelling in precisely the opposite direction). So if the laser was pointing in exactly the same direction it was moving in, and if it was moving at the speed of light, the sum would be 2C, and if it were pointing in the opposite direction at the same speed, the light wouldn't be moving in relation to... Hold on, I think I just realized why it's believed that time stops/slows down... anything that is absolutely immobile or moving in the opposite direction of an object emitting light in its wake whilst moving at the speed of light would... wait, it wouldn't see the object in the first place? Bah, I know I forgot to factor in the fact that there is no true vacuum (not in space, anyway) and that the particles around the light would eventually impact the photons and... Oh what the heck, I'll let somebody with more expertise figure it out.
Re-edit: But the point is, the speed of light is not a constant at all, as it is, like all others, relative to other objects. So theoretically, light travelling in the direction of an ALS object would move at twice its speed (it evens out, though, as the object itself is approaching at the speed of light... at least I think it evens out) but light travelling in the opposite direction would not move at all without the assistance of external factors including but not limited to the particles in the so-called vacuum of space.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
A lot of the people involved consider that the *only* thing that's practical.
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This from a **** posting on an online game forum. So much irony, it's generating a sarcastic field...
Higgs weapons? Interesting, the first thing that came to mind for me, when considering the possibility of affecting mass in the form of a manipulable energy field was "alcubierre warp drive!"
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!!
Gravity affects time flow, even at the smallest scales. GPS satellites have to take into account the variation of flow of time between the ground and their orbits, or they'd be inaccurate as heck. This is not some pie in the sky theory, it is practical and proven knowledge....
Can you elaborate, please?
*wonders if there is something like a chroniton to be affected by gravity :rolleyes:*
Edit: Also, I do believe I focused more on the theory that approaching the speed of light slows time down during my wall of text.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Light and various forms of waves are slowed down by gravity (proving they are made of matter)
but time
not "human measurement of time" or "perception of time" is and remains a constant
there have always been 1000 pulses to a kilopulse and there always will be
Meanwhile back in the bat cave
The scientists who claimed only this year to have made something move faster than light now agree they didn't
And the scientists behind the "higgs whatsit" (A much better name) freely admit that they have only "some evidence" and "a possible sighting"
Given a year they will likely admit that they are wrong.
in much the same way that previous scientists have admitted they were wrong about
Cold fusion . matter transmission , "Dark matter" and other similar garbage.
okay, that does not answer my question exactly but u have hinted there are practical implications
It could be used (if it existed ) to destroy on a massive scale (cause the particulates to disipate or concentrate) but it would likely make starfall impossible
"och captain if we exceed warp one the higgs whatsits will implode and we will all wind up speaking in Korean Sir"
http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html
(if you don't like reading, this video may also help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQdIjwoi-u4)
think of it as echo location on a big scale
(and sometimes it doesn't work)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation
Time dilation per special relativity isn't just a product of velocity. Gravitational potential also produces an accelerated frame of reference.
It's quite well tested, as well. The Pound-Rebka experiment proved the effect with gravitational redshifts in 1959. The redshift of the objects tested was off the expected by the exact same factor expected by Einstein's equations, and no branch of physics has ever come up with an accurate model to postdict the results of that experiment.
The effect can be detected in communications from interplanetary probes (first measured with Viking 1, it's been tested in many other probes but was never a subject of interest after Viking), and as somebody else pointed out the GPS system will drift out of alignment if it's not periodically corrected for the effect. Its even been tested in single buildings, and a few years ago Wolfson managed to confirm it in a single room with two atomic clocks less than a meter of vertical separation, at which point the gravitation slowing of the lower clock is greater than the velocity slowing of the upper clock - that is, the lower clock drifts behind, but when looking only at velocity you'd expect the upper clock to drift behind.
It's not like gravity effecting a chroniton because... well, chronitons aren't a thing. They're not consistent with any experimentally supported theory, or even any of the exotic hypothetical physics branches. It's a fictional extension of the hypothesis that all forces are carried by massless particles the way electromagnetism is carried by a spin 1 photon. Gravitons are part of that - unconfirmed but consistent - but time isn't, because it's not a force.
because they are all equally valid scientifically (they are claimed / believed to exist by a small self interested group)
infact we should call the whatsit the "Kirk particle" because apparently it over acts
Interesting. And the chroniton thing was just sarcasm :P
As for Viking, that could easily be due to my previous arguments, but I have absolutely no idea how to counter your other arguments, so I guess I'm either stupid or you're right.
... First of all, I've only ever heard of tetryons, gravitons, and chronitons, two of which I only know from ST.
Second, I've never heard of a starbuckaton or a chronoton.
Third, it's the Higgs boson, which, as said by an above poster, is rather dumbly called a 'God particle'.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
you only get to name it when you can produce a lb of them in a glass jar
and Kirk beat god right?
so its the kirk particle
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It doesn't have anything to do with god or mystical stuff or anything like that. It's only meaning is that a theory that tried to explain why some elemental particles have mass and some don't has made an accurate prediction and is thus more likely to be true - and overall pretty much is another important confirmation of our theory on elemental particles and elemental forces.