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• naldoran Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  Five tactical consoles on the Defiant, oh my... It still has a crappy BO layout, but the extra console will more than make up for that I think.

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• marctraiderz Member Posts: 539 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  I thought that Cryptic would finally ditch this static and predefined ship stat system, but no. Again we get the same TRIBBLE all over again.
  
  Why cant we tune our ships ourselves? Where's the flexibility? Nowhere to be seen.
  
  Big thumbs down for Craptic.
  
  
  Again KDF is neglected as well, Fed's get the only 5 Console tactical ship. Rofl.

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• talzerotwo Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  Fleet Star Cruiser:
  
  Lieutenant - Tac
  Commander - Eng
  Lt Commander - Eng
  Lieutenant - Sci
  Ensign - Sci
  
  Engineering: 4
  Tactical: 2
  Science: 4
  
  Weapons
  Fore: 4
  Aft: 4
  
  Turn: 7
  Hull: 42900
  Crew: 1000
  Device Slots: 4
  Shield Mod: 1.1
  

  
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• meurik Member Posts: 856 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  raketh1 wrote: »

  Thought I'd get the stats for the fleet versions of the ships from tribble and post them here for those still at work, unable to get onto tribble, or just plain lazy.
  
  Science ships:
  
  Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit:
  
  Lt Commander - Tac
  Lieutenant - Eng
  Commander - Sci
  Lieutenant - Sci
  Ensign - Sci
  
  Engineering: 2
  Tactical: 3
  Science: 4
  
  Weapons
  Fore: 3
  Aft: 3
  
  Turn: 11
  Hull: 31350
  Crew: 500
  Device Slots: 3
  Shield Mod: 1.43
  
  
  Fleet Long Range Science Vessel Retrofit:
  
  Lieutenant - Tac
  Lieutenant - Eng
  Commander - sci
  Lt Commander -Sci
  Ensign - Sci
  
  Engineering: 3
  Tactical: 3
  Science: 4
  
  Weapons
  Fore: 3
  Aft: 3
  
  Turn: 12
  Hull: 29700
  Crew: 200
  Device Slots: 3
  Shield Mod: 1.43

  
  I would assume these to be retrofits of the Nova Class (Science Vessel) and Intrepid Class (Long Range Science Vessel) respectively.
  
  Mostly interested in the Nova Class retrofit, since that has been shown (as canon), to be a more than capable Tactical vessel (in it's 2404 refit, Rhode Island). However, the values for some of these look a bit odd, if you consider the overall size of the ships. Specifically:
  
  Nova Class (165 meters):
  Turn: 11
  Hull: 31350
  Crew: 500
  Device Slots: 3
  Shield Mod: 1.43
  
  Intrepid Class (343 meters):
  Turn: 12
  Hull: 29700
  Crew: 200
  Device Slots: 3
  Shield Mod: 1.43
  
  Being that both ships were designed in the same era, they would likely have the same type of impulse engines. The Intrepid due to it's mass, would have a slower turn rate (not faster) than the Nova Class. Also, with the increased mass, the Intrepid should have higher Hull value than the Nova Class. Lastly, the Intrepid is a larger ship, capable of accomodating a larger crew. Why the smaller Nova Class has a crew more than DOUBLED the size of the Intrepid, is anyones guess.
  
  My personal opinion, is that the Turn Rate, Hull Value and Crew Count between these two retrofits, should be flopped around. That being said, i'm looking forward to getting my hands on the Science Vessel Retrofit, since it's (as far as I know), the first Science ship with a Lt Cmdr Tactical slot.

  

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• raketh1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  meurik wrote: »

  My personal opinion, is that the Turn Rate, Hull Value and Crew Count between these two retrofits, should be flopped around.

  
  My apologies, slight error on my part. The crew is 100, turn rate 14.
  
  Attempted to fix that sooner, but managed to get logged out of my PWE account and it wouldn't let me log back in until now. :mad:

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• bitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  SO, how does one get to test these on tribble?
  I went on after the 1.2 gig patch and saw no prompts to test the new starbase stuff.

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• therealsivar Member Posts: 195 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  ....
  
  The raptor gets slapped aside again, lowest turn rate of the dps ships and the HP buff is meager by comparison when put up against all of the Escorts.
  
  Buff the Raptor's turn rate to 17, and reduce the hull if you feel it's appropriate....

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• dontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  5 tac console defiant. really? i thought they would know better, the bortasq was bad enough. decloak buff stacked alphas from this ship will defeat TT's ability to distribute and kill you with most of your shields up. current escorts can very nearly do this already!
  
  the fleet star cruisers doesn't have the opposite of the fleet assault cruiser station setup, with a LTC and LT science station setup. theres 2 instances of the tactical setup with the assault and vorcha, but only 1 instance of the science version with the orian tier 4 retrofit, only it lacks the universal LT.
  
  the Somraw is finally a desirable kdf escort compared to the qin, 16 turn rate and a useful ensign station.
  
  i know everyone will love the sovereign, i can see myself using one and NOT bothering with a science station at all. i could replace my excelsior with it, but its crappy 7 turn rate will mean a single cannon build may not even be viable.
  
  my tac/cruser kdf will definitely go from the current vorcha to the fleet ktinga, with that 11 turn rate, and then to the monstrous vorcha at the eventual level 5 ship yard, i couldn't be more excited about that setup. the fleet vorcha is easily the most dangerous cruiser possible. 4 tac consoles, 10 turn rate, cloak, duel cannon use, all those tac stations and engineering stations with sci stations optional, its beautiful.
  
  the poor galaxy class, with the biggest most powerful array ever installed on a starship, and the 2 biggest most burst capable torpedoes ever installed on a starship, CONTINUES to have 2 tactical consoles. simply terrible, it being that tactically worthless in game is more canon breaking then a nova being tier 5 worthy. and it CONTINUES to have 3 engineering ens stations! the negvar at least has a uni ensign, and 3 tactical consoles! the difference in usefulness between the galaxy and negvar has only grown! its still deeply in the shadow of the operations odyssey, we don't need yet ANOTHER alternative to it. i can only hope there are several typos in its stats
  
  
  im very unimpressed with a lot of these ship stats setups really, there was not enough creativeness.ships should have had commander level stations in play, the soverign should have had a COM tac, LTC eng, LT eng, ENS eng, and LT sci. it has top level tactical ability, but still has more engineering stations then any other type. there needed to be a whole lot of that kind of setup, the vast majority of ships have setups other ships already have.

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• raketh1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  sophlogimo wrote: »

  You have to join a fleet on tribble that has completed the projects to get these ships, and then must be assigned one, if I understand it correctly.

  
  I went to the ship vendor on ESD / KDF Shipyard, selected rank as Vice Admiral/Lieutenant General and scrolled through the list of ships. All the specs were as listed at the ship vendor.
  
  
  Since my original post, I've corrected several small errors/typos. The information should be correct, however if someone spots a mistake, let me know and I'll fix the post.

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• zackaryss Member Posts: 61 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  thanks for this post its very helpful:D

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• mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  Make sure to make some of your feedback heart. I agree that it's problematic that the KDF doesn't get a 5 Tactical Console Slot ship, for example. The Raptor and Defiant are basically the same ship, except the Defiant is better. The Retrofits make the difference worse, it seems to me.
  
  So it looks like I'll be able to fly the Nova alongside Hilbert's Golfball. Maybe also broadside Hilbert's Golfball but it may be we'll both be happy. Connie fans of course are still out of luck, but I didn't expect anything else.

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• dassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  No KDF with 5 tac consoles
  
  But the new BoPs... my oh my... I can't even decide wich one I want the most! Two Ltcmdr slots is tempting!

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• reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  This is extremely interesting even to non PVPers. Some of these are just wow. One thing I'm curious about; were the fleet versions of c-store ships like the Scourge and the Nebula available to anyone, or only those who'd bought the original?

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• aquitaine985 Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  Where's my Tier 5/Tier 2 Gladius escort?? *Rubs nipples* soon...

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• webdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  raketh1 wrote: »

  Federation ships:
  
  Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit:
  
  Commander - Tac
  Lt Commander -Tac
  Ensign - Tac
  Lieutenant - Eng
  Lieutenant - Sci
  
  
  
  Engineering: 3
  Tactical: 5
  Science: 2
  
  Weapons
  Fore: 4
  Aft: 3
  
  Turn: 17
  Hull: 33000
  Crew: 50
  Device Slots: 3
  Shield Mod: 0.9
  
  
  
  Science ships:
  
  Fleet Recon Science Vessel
  
  Lieutenant - Tac
  Ensign - Tac
  Lieutenant - Eng
  Commander - Sci
  Lt Commander -Sci
  
  
  Engineering: 2
  Tactical: 4
  Science: 4
  
  Weapons
  Fore: 3
  Aft: 3
  
  Turn: 13
  Hull: 29700
  Crew: 350
  Device Slots: 3
  Shield Mod: 1.43
  
  
  
  Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit:
  
  
  Lt Commander - Tac
  Lieutenant - Eng
  Commander - Sci
  Lieutenant - Sci
  Ensign - Sci
  
  Engineering: 2
  Tactical: 3
  Science: 4
  
  Weapons
  Fore: 3
  Aft: 3
  
  Turn: 14
  Hull: 27390
  Crew: 100
  Device Slots: 3
  Shield Mod: 1.11
  
  
  KDF Ships:
  
  
  Fleet Ning'Tao Bird Of Prey
  
  Commander - Uni
  Lt Commander - Uni
  Lt Commander - Uni
  Lieutenant - Uni
  
  Engineering: 3
  Tactical: 3
  Science: 3
  
  Weapons
  Fore: 4
  Aft: 2
  
  Turn: 22
  Hull: 16500
  Crew: 75
  Device Slots: 2
  Shield Mod: 0.66
  
  
  Fleet Hoh'sus Bird Of Prey
  
  Commander - Uni
  Lt Commander - Uni
  Lieutenant - Uni
  Lieutenant - Uni
  
  Engineering: 3
  Tactical: 4
  Science: 3
  
  Weapons
  Fore: 4
  Aft: 2
  
  Turn: 21
  Hull: 24750
  Crew: 75
  Device Slots: 2
  Shield Mod: 0.88
  
  
  
  Fleet Vor'cha Battle Cruiser Retrofit:
  
  Lt Commander - Tac
  Lieutenant - Tac
  Commander - Eng
  Ensign - Eng
  Lieutenant - Uni
  
  Engineering: 4
  Tactical: 4
  Science: 2
  
  Weapons
  Fore: 4
  Aft: 4
  
  Turn: 10
  Hull: 39600
  Crew: 1500
  Device Slots: 3
  Shield Mod: 1.1

  
  These ships above make me go either :eek: or ESPECIALLY that new BoP... Cmd Uni, 2x LtC Uni and 1x Lt Uni.. And a 22 Turn rate! If that's the new B'rel-R complete with Enhanced Battle Cloak consider me sold. Mine as well put a Bow on that for my Tac. Geebus...

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• therealsivar Member Posts: 195 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  dontdrunkimshoot wrote: »

  the Somraw is finally a desirable kdf escort compared to the qin, 16 turn rate and a useful ensign station.

  
  It's hardly desirable as it's shield are horrible; the fleet patrol escort up top of the original post is a better ship.
  
  It has a boff layout and turn rate that make it better than the Qin raptor, but the shields are just......awful......
  

  dassemsto wrote: »

  No KDF with 5 tac consoles
  
  But the new BoPs... my oh my... I can't even decide wich one I want the most! Two Ltcmdr slots is tempting!

  
  Before you get any amazing ideas in your head, realize that that BoP is as sturdy as a wet piece of paper and just as thin....
  
  The Advanced Danube runabouts that the Fed carriers spawn have more health than the Fleet Ning'tao......

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• webdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  therealsivar wrote: »

  Before you get any amazing ideas in your head, realize that that BoP is as sturdy as a wet piece of paper and just as thin....
  
  The Advanced Danube runabouts that the Fed carriers spawn have more health than the Fleet Ning'tao......

  
  My B'rel-R Tac BoP does a nice job of Insta PoPing most ships from cloak. So what if it has less hull? A 5 man team running those could be down right devistating to most teams. You can't win if your dead.. Both BoPs are seriously nice. Either you go with the LtC x2 Universals, and the normal BoP Consoles, or you take the Normal BoP BO set up and nab the extra Tac Console. Either way it's win win.

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• therealsivar Member Posts: 195 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  webdeath wrote: »

  My B'rel-R Tac BoP does a nice job of Insta PoPing most ships from cloak. So what if it has less hull? A 5 man team running those could be down right devistating to most teams. You can't win if your dead.. Both BoPs are seriously nice. Either you go with the LtC x2 Universals, and the normal BoP Consoles, or you take the Normal BoP BO set up and nab the extra Tac Console. Either way it's win win.

  
  You know as well as I do that good escort pilots can survive a lot of punishment, and as a B'rel pilot you realize how weak your ship is if you get into a fight, take that and tone it down almost 10k hitpoints and all of the narrow escapes that you've ever made are turned into deaths.
  
  Sure you'll have an alpha on par with current BoPs plus some an added Lt. Cmdr power, but all you'll be using it for is a RSP so you can run like hell when **** hits the fan and pray the bleedthrough doesn't kill you because you have the weakest hull of every ship excluding some shuttles at the T5 level.....

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• webdeath Member Posts: 1,570 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  therealsivar wrote: »

  You know as well as I do that good escort pilots can survive a lot of punishment, and as a B'rel pilot you realize how weak your ship is if you get into a fight, take that and tone it down almost 10k hitpoints and all of the narrow escapes that you've ever made are turned into deaths.
  
  Sure you'll have an alpha on par with current BoPs plus some an added Lt. Cmdr power, but all you'll be using it for is a RSP so you can run like hell when **** hits the fan and pray the bleedthrough doesn't kill you because you have the weakest hull of every ship excluding some shuttles at the T5 level.....

  
  It has 16k HP BASE. Meaning with Skills it'll be around 22k just like the Normal B'rel-R WHich means I'll survive just as well as I already do, yet I'll be able to do more with it before then I currently do with my B'rel-R.

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• therealsivar Member Posts: 195 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  webdeath wrote: »

  It has 16k HP BASE. Meaning with Skills it'll be around 22k just like the Normal B'rel-R WHich means I'll survive just as well as I already do, yet I'll be able to do more with it before then I currently do with my B'rel-R.

  
  I know that it's 16k base, but it doesn't matter if you spend skill points to buff it up to the B'rel's BASE level unless you're honestly telling me that you don't have skill points specced into the hull of your B'rel.
  
  If you DO have points into the B'rel's hull strength then my point stands that it's a weaker ship and all you'll do is spend time running the hell away if you start dogfighting people after you alpha. If you don't, then it still means that it's something that you must spec into just to get it close to the BASE levels of the current weakest ship in the game, and if you want even a rat's chance in hell of making it out alive if your alpha doesn't get the job done....
  
  I'm not denying the output potential of the ship in pug matches, only it's usefulness as a ship like this would be called the primary target instantly in any premade group meaning it will either die or be forced to run very quickly thereby reducing the effectiveness of all those slots.

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• dontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  hit point numbers are merely there to survive critical hits, beam overloads, and torpedoes. the general escort and bop near invincibility is the result of station powers, speed and doffs. the numbers are at the bottom of the list of important factors.
  
  when i checked on tribble for myself, i noticed the miranda for sale. it actually had tier 2 connie refit stats, but tier 1, 3 ensign station setup. it had 2/2 weapons and 19500 hitpoints. zomg +1 miranda is op!

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• dassemsto Member Posts: 792 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  therealsivar wrote: »

  Before you get any amazing ideas in your head, realize that that BoP is as sturdy as a wet piece of paper and just as thin....

  
  Doesn't matter much. With 2 tac teams running, all low hp does is force me to react faster when the **** hit's my fan. HP is only a buffer to work with. Sure, if my shields go down and I'm focused, I'll be dead in 0.3 second, as opposed to 0.6 in a Hegh'ta, or 1.5 in a Bort...Brusk...Brqskk...ehmm... that big ship.
  
  My tac usually fly a Heg' or a B'rel-R, and the difference in survivability is negligable. The main reason I tend to use the Hegh, is that sometimes I forget I'm cloaked in the B'rel, and try to pull an alpha without decloaking...
  
  The new BoP will be a bit weaker, yes, but for my hit and run, it will be very interresting. Watch out in the future, tho, for threads where I whine about being one-shot by the Borg!

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• mavairo Member Posts: 579

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  I know you guys want to love the X Wing Refit.. I know I do.
  
  but do realize guys, it literally has the HP of a Delta Flyer.
  
  You do realize Overloads can and do pierce EPTS, and Tac teams? When they do it's not uncommon to lose 20k or more hull in one go.
  
  Imagine dying, through a full shield. Routinely.
  
  Without bombing yourself with a heavy torp.

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• dontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  June 2012 edited June 2012

  i just noticed the excelsior refit on tribble now has 42600 base hitpoints now with a 1.0 shield mod. they felt the need to give the smallest, oldest federation cruiser the most (non odyssey) hitpoints because?...
  
  oh and the 4 naccel heavy cruiser retrofit has an LT and ENS station setup like the current assault cruiser, but 2 tactical and 3 science consoles. WTF? at least the superior fleet version has 4/3/3.
  
  there is also no aquarius pet in the federation store, but the bortasq's pet is shown in the kdf store, with lol hitpoints. ya that hp might be toooo low

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• lostusthorn Member Posts: 844

  July 2012 edited July 2012

  I'm liking the Fleet Vor'Cha, added teeth, survivability without nerfing the rest.

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• corsair114 Member Posts: 276

  July 2012 edited July 2012

  I pity all the people who wanted to fly a T5 Fleet Escort (Saber).
  
  Seriously, look at it side by side with the Defiant and Patrol Escort, and then honestly tell me what it has going for it, please. I like the Saber, but I can't see that ever being worthwhile beside the Fleet Tactical Escort and Fleet Patrol Escort.
  
  
  Of course, all stats are subject to change.
  
  I do like the Fleet Recon Science Vessel and Fleet Heavy Cruiser, though. They look smexy.
  
  Not sure if the Fleet Science Vessel (Nova) will be worth the LTC BOff slot, though. Can't shake the feeling I'd always end up better off in an F-RecSciV.

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• playhard88 Member Posts: 733 Arc User

  July 2012 edited July 2012

  defiant with 5 tactical consols? common.....

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• thepleasuredome Member Posts: 308

  July 2012 edited July 2012

  So Tier 6 is here?
  
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• mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User

  July 2012 edited July 2012

  thepleasuredome wrote: »

  So Tier 6 is here?
  
  Arawn - SOB
  OP is the new balance

  Kinda. Not sure about those BoPs,and the stats seem generally all over the place..

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