Cryptic, at least you COULD TRY and be subtle about it, but you are clearly having a field day. PLEASE just delete the KDF already, I know you want to.
Why is it so difficult for you to introduced at least ships that are balanced against each other?
A Defiant with 5 TAC Consoles! WTH?
I can just see it now.
2x carrier-esc + danubes
3x Defiants + AMS
...
/facepalm
This is a definition of tanking taken from EVE, and may prove helpful in describing the problem the STO developers fail to grasp:
Tanking refers to various measures taken to increase the amount of damage that a ship can absorb preventing or delaying a ship's destruction. Some tanks repair damage, and are able to sustain a certain level of damage indefinitely. When a ship sustains more damage than it is capable of repairing, its tank is said to be broken.
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
Cryptic, at least you COULD TRY and be subtle about it, but you are clearly having a field day. PLEASE just delete the KDF already, I know you want to.
Why is it so difficult for you to introduced at least ships that are balanced against each other?
A Defiant with 5 TAC Consoles! WTH?
I can just see it now.
2x carrier-esc + danubes
3x Defiants + AMS
...
/facepalm
Don't worry DK.... we still have some tricks up our sleeve.
The AC might have gotten more tac like capabilities. But it's still a chubby cruiser. The KDF on the other hand has the Vorcha, which is already a chubby escort. That now has the firepower that it's needed since Season 1.
Also the Negvhar is pretty smexy... as is the new voquv and the Corsair.
Those three right there are plenty of upside. Though I do agree the Raptor, Vandal and the new X Wing Bop need some serious attention as does the Garumba. (hey if they can buff the AE and MVAM to correspond in power with these new ships which they are planning on.. they can give the Goomba a boost)
Don't worry DK.... we still have some tricks up our sleeve.
The AC might have gotten more tac like capabilities. But it's still a chubby cruiser. The KDF on the other hand has the Vorcha, which is already a chubby escort. That now has the firepower that it's needed since Season 1.
Also the Negvhar is pretty smexy... as is the new voquv and the Corsair.
Those three right there are plenty of upside. Though I do agree the Raptor, Vandal and the new X Wing Bop need some serious attention as does the Garumba. (hey if they can buff the AE and MVAM to correspond in power with these new ships which they are planning on.. they can give the Goomba a boost)
Prepare to be inundating with mails from me MAV
As an escort pilot I was hoping for something with more bite. I don't know about you, but those BOP's are worth nothing in the arena. Firepower + turn is king. KDF escort ships have gained little if nothing offensively. What use is there for an extra engineering console when you're being focused on by xNum Defiants?
I will be glad to answer any questions you have as always DK
Especially since, officially you can now mark me as a Klink Primarily. (That's right kids. I've moved to the ugly red UI side)
What the KDF didn't gain on the escorts, imo we more than gained it in those cruisers (and the Ktinga R to some extent), cruisers to cruisers the feds came out on bottom this time, and it's about damned time. the Vorchas firepower just went through the roof, and a full DHC Serious Klink Team is no longer out of the question.
I will be glad to answer any questions you have as always DK
Especially since, officially you can now mark me as a Klink Primarily. (That's right kids. I've moved to the ugly red UI side)
What the KDF didn't gain on the escorts, imo we more than gained it in those cruisers. (and the Ktinga R to some extent) the Vorchas firepower just went through the roof, and a full DHC Serious Klink Team is no longer out of the question.
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.
Oh I agree. But we hardly lost out on the deal completely.
I think at worst we're even in Cruiser Gain what we lost out in Escorts.
At best I think we just came out a little ahead. Something else I feel I have to point out, Cryptic is expecting the KDF ships to have their favorite Cstore consoles on their ships. Which is also probably why the escorts and bops didn't get put on even keel.
Thats a stupid way to balance the ships out mind, but I think that's the "logic" cryptic has chosen to go with.
This being said, do I feel this makes up for the massive boost the sci ships got fedside? No. We might make up for the Escorts being weaker with the better cruisers, but we don't make up the extra loss as well in the sci dept.
We'll see what crusading we can do to either get some Real Sci Ships on this faction, or at least get the escorts moved up. Traditionally though, what the KDF gets at release, is what it gets.
Gosh didn't even see that (1.43 shield modifiers and the durability of any cruisers?), and then when I looked closer, you'll notice that the Fed. cruisers way outmatch the KDF cruisers. I think my left eye just started twitching.
But on a serious note MAV, you are well known for your build advice and the technical stuff. Hows the Camera coming along
Hopefully once things are settled, the devs will turn you for feedback.
I wouldn't say they overmatch the klink cruisers by any stretch. Our ships, with no exception can and will do far more damage in a far shorter period of time if properly built. Not only this, but they are far more agile.
Plus the only 2 cruisers that have more SP (which is more important than HP... HP is like.. one DHC shot different... at best) are the Big Fat Ones that can't get out of the way to defend themselves properly. Starcruiser and Failaxy.
The sci ships is what has me really sad though. The KDF who are more Tactically Focused, didn't get an LTC Tac Sci ship. The Feds Did. I guess they are going back to that tired old argument of "you have bops!" without understanding just how much the game has changed since back then.
Hmm Fleet science vessel Retrofit seems to be the only Fleet retrofit with only 9 consoles. Something is amiss.
I am also disappointed the Science Vessel Retrofit is just a luna with more turn rate and less everything else. It would be better if it had the same boff layout as the fleet version at least.
So you'll upgrade the T3 Excelsior but not the T5? So with the upgrades to the T4&5 excorts there, you just rendered a T5 ship obselete. Not very bright thinking on your part PWE. Personally I don't know why you're adding T3 ships to the fleet refits to begin with since with the way you speed through the levels they are obselete in a matter of hours.
Another ship that is missing off that list is the Gal-X Dreadnought, that thing needed a Tactical officer boost, as it really isn't much of a dreadnought (Frankly it rates as a standard cruiser with it's Boff and tac console layout) and it misses out.
I hope the list is going to continue to be added to and this isn't the final draft before print...
On the plus side, some of the choices you did make in terms of fleet refits are well needed and glad to see they made it to the list.
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some of this ships need a c-store token right (plus the fleet credits) right?
yup, so all that dilithium is....worthless, at least you can refrain from contributing Fleet Marks, so more time for pew pew, less tmie pveing for gear
yup, so all that dilithium is....worthless, at least you can refrain from contributing Fleet Marks, so more time for pew pew, less tmie pveing for gear
u gonna grind more than before i think, the dilithium for the tokens, and all the stuff needed for the fleet credtis
yup, so all that dilithium is....worthless, at least you can refrain from contributing Fleet Marks, so more time for pew pew, less tmie pveing for gear
Well balls. I thought that 250k dilithium I had been saving up was going to be useful in getting one of these new ships (aside from converting it to fleet marks or whatever).
Oh well, time to grab more C-Points and buy another uniform. TOS or Enterprise...
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With the Fleet Assault cruiser, there will finally be a real battleship in the game. 4 tac consoles!! Lt. Com. Tac +Lt. Tac + Lt Universal!
I might trade that one in for the Atrox... but I guess I like my pets too much. *g*
Please stay in an atrox. It's one less tac for me to worry about on the other team when I see you. Besides, why would you run a tac in a ship with that many tac BO abilities...
This is extremely interesting even to non PVPers. Some of these are just wow. One thing I'm curious about; were the fleet versions of c-store ships like the Scourge and the Nebula available to anyone, or only those who'd bought the original?
My understanding from the interview is that the fleet versions of C-Store ships will be available if your shipyard can build it. But they will not come with the C-Store consoles or C-Store skins, so if you want the special consoles or skins you've got to buy the C-Store ship.
(Note that the fleet versions will come with the basic skins plus the new fleet material)
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Yeah, the Fleet Assault Cruiser is the real Sovereign! I hope to command one of these fabulous starships as soon as possible...
Oh, finally Bitemepwe (Roach) will not say anymore that the KDF is neglected...the Klinguns are already OP and they will be more OP...:D
I have only thought we (KDF) are neglected in PvE content.
lol- more OP, did you not see the Defiant with 5 tac consoles? I hate to feel the attack from that beast considering how well the Defiants already function in PvP.
Sure the defiant gets a 5th console... but my Vorcha's Shields Are Harder. I have 8 Frigging Guns Blasting Your Face Off! And now I get the tac slots to give those 8 Guns an even more lethal strike!
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no, same boff layout as on the current defiant-refit
Oh, ok
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
And I really don't think anything they said implied they'd ditch the Tier system.
And the Advanced Bortas (don't know how to spell it) has 5 Tac slots. You've had it for awhile now.
That is all I have to say in this thread.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Cryptic, at least you COULD TRY and be subtle about it, but you are clearly having a field day. PLEASE just delete the KDF already, I know you want to.
Why is it so difficult for you to introduced at least ships that are balanced against each other?
A Defiant with 5 TAC Consoles! WTH?
I can just see it now.
2x carrier-esc + danubes
3x Defiants + AMS
...
/facepalm
This is a definition of tanking taken from EVE, and may prove helpful in describing the problem the STO developers fail to grasp:
Tanking refers to various measures taken to increase the amount of damage that a ship can absorb preventing or delaying a ship's destruction. Some tanks repair damage, and are able to sustain a certain level of damage indefinitely. When a ship sustains more damage than it is capable of repairing, its tank is said to be broken.
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
No Defiant With 5 Tactical Consoles!
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
Don't worry DK.... we still have some tricks up our sleeve.
The AC might have gotten more tac like capabilities. But it's still a chubby cruiser. The KDF on the other hand has the Vorcha, which is already a chubby escort. That now has the firepower that it's needed since Season 1.
Also the Negvhar is pretty smexy... as is the new voquv and the Corsair.
Those three right there are plenty of upside. Though I do agree the Raptor, Vandal and the new X Wing Bop need some serious attention as does the Garumba. (hey if they can buff the AE and MVAM to correspond in power with these new ships which they are planning on.. they can give the Goomba a boost)
Prepare to be inundating with mails from me MAV
As an escort pilot I was hoping for something with more bite. I don't know about you, but those BOP's are worth nothing in the arena. Firepower + turn is king. KDF escort ships have gained little if nothing offensively. What use is there for an extra engineering console when you're being focused on by xNum Defiants?
Especially since, officially you can now mark me as a Klink Primarily. (That's right kids. I've moved to the ugly red UI side)
What the KDF didn't gain on the escorts, imo we more than gained it in those cruisers (and the Ktinga R to some extent), cruisers to cruisers the feds came out on bottom this time, and it's about damned time. the Vorchas firepower just went through the roof, and a full DHC Serious Klink Team is no longer out of the question.
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfils the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things.
I think at worst we're even in Cruiser Gain what we lost out in Escorts.
At best I think we just came out a little ahead. Something else I feel I have to point out, Cryptic is expecting the KDF ships to have their favorite Cstore consoles on their ships. Which is also probably why the escorts and bops didn't get put on even keel.
Thats a stupid way to balance the ships out mind, but I think that's the "logic" cryptic has chosen to go with.
This being said, do I feel this makes up for the massive boost the sci ships got fedside? No. We might make up for the Escorts being weaker with the better cruisers, but we don't make up the extra loss as well in the sci dept.
We'll see what crusading we can do to either get some Real Sci Ships on this faction, or at least get the escorts moved up. Traditionally though, what the KDF gets at release, is what it gets.
But on a serious note MAV, you are well known for your build advice and the technical stuff. Hows the Camera coming along
Hopefully once things are settled, the devs will turn you for feedback.
Plus the only 2 cruisers that have more SP (which is more important than HP... HP is like.. one DHC shot different... at best) are the Big Fat Ones that can't get out of the way to defend themselves properly. Starcruiser and Failaxy.
The sci ships is what has me really sad though. The KDF who are more Tactically Focused, didn't get an LTC Tac Sci ship. The Feds Did. I guess they are going back to that tired old argument of "you have bops!" without understanding just how much the game has changed since back then.
I am also disappointed the Science Vessel Retrofit is just a luna with more turn rate and less everything else. It would be better if it had the same boff layout as the fleet version at least.
Another ship that is missing off that list is the Gal-X Dreadnought, that thing needed a Tactical officer boost, as it really isn't much of a dreadnought (Frankly it rates as a standard cruiser with it's Boff and tac console layout) and it misses out.
I hope the list is going to continue to be added to and this isn't the final draft before print...
On the plus side, some of the choices you did make in terms of fleet refits are well needed and glad to see they made it to the list.
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Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
yup, so all that dilithium is....worthless, at least you can refrain from contributing Fleet Marks, so more time for pew pew, less tmie pveing for gear
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u gonna grind more than before i think, the dilithium for the tokens, and all the stuff needed for the fleet credtis
yeah, i was thinking the same. Those escorts with 34k hull and 10consoles .....i want 1 sci console slot more for my jemmy
Vin Naftero@playhard88 - FED Sciencie
K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
R.I.P
Oh well, time to grab more C-Points and buy another uniform. TOS or Enterprise...
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Please stay in an atrox. It's one less tac for me to worry about on the other team when I see you. Besides, why would you run a tac in a ship with that many tac BO abilities...
My understanding from the interview is that the fleet versions of C-Store ships will be available if your shipyard can build it. But they will not come with the C-Store consoles or C-Store skins, so if you want the special consoles or skins you've got to buy the C-Store ship.
(Note that the fleet versions will come with the basic skins plus the new fleet material)
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I have only thought we (KDF) are neglected in PvE content.
lol- more OP, did you not see the Defiant with 5 tac consoles? I hate to feel the attack from that beast considering how well the Defiants already function in PvP.
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