Sure the defiant gets a 5th console... but my Vorcha's Shields Are Harder. I have 8 Frigging Guns Blasting Your Face Off! And now I get the tac slots to give those 8 Guns an even more lethal strike!
Indeed. I like the vorcha/tac build. Before I discovered the bop/tac, I used to fly battle cruiser/tac. Looking forward to that one too.
Btw using my 3DS to post. lol
You think that your beta test was bad?
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My understanding from the interview is that the fleet versions of C-Store ships will be available if your shipyard can build it. But they will not come with the C-Store consoles or C-Store skins, so if you want the special consoles or skins you've got to buy the C-Store ship.
(Note that the fleet versions will come with the basic skins plus the new fleet material)
So, we need to have another ship? We can't just have our ship modified?
So, we need to have another ship? We can't just have our ship modified?
Engine limitations.
It's less work for the developers to make a new ship with new stats and have you buy it, than it is to make it so you can boost the attributes of an existing ship you already have.
So tell me as i am one fairly new to the pvp... does this mean that klink side bug ship will no longer be viable? Definately looks like fed side it will be out classed by new defiant.
Those are the new ships that will be aviable from starbases, nothing less, nothing more
It seems like a reasonable conclusion to reach. While the bug ship may remain a top performer on the klink side, i suspect the fleet defiant will own a bug ship on a decloaking alpha and in sustained damage output.
Those are the new ships that will be aviable from starbases, nothing less, nothing more
Pretty sure i asked a question, didnt say it was my conclusion. Like i said im new to the pvp and im interested in the more seasoned players ideas on this. As far as the starbase ship part... well i fully intend on having one of these ships and dont see what your trying to get at with the nothing more/less comment. It will be mine.
Still kind sad to see the Saber (Fleet Escort) so far behind its other Fleet counterparts...
...could we maybe get an 8th gun for the back? Something? It's like a Defiant (Fleet Tactical Escort), but less nimble, less powerful, and probably less durable (even with LT. Eng and Ens. Eng BOffs).
The Fleet Patrol Escort, by comparison, kicks the stuffing out of it.
I really don't like the boff layout here. It's been completely changed. I thought the point of this was to update the Marauder so people would actually fly flight deck cruisers.
I love the Marauder boff layout, imo it's the best tanking layout and is the reason I put up with the ugly looks :P. I was hoping to get the Corsair skin with bonus hull+shields and consoles whilst retaining the boff layout.
The fleet corsair though they've gone and butchered it. I always thought a single sci Lt Cmder boff slot (instead of the current 2 lower tiers ones) would be nice but this configuration will ruin it for me.
Having a 2nd Lt Com eng boffs slot is a must. It's a cruiser not a carrier!
It's like giving the Armitage 1x Cmdr Tac and 1x Ensign tac slots and that's it. How can that be an escort without having all the tac slots? The flight deck cruiser is a cruiser and needs it's eng boff slots to match.
Not happy.
Also, 39k hull is the SAME as the Marauder, shouldn't it be more?
Is this a viable ship? I love the look of the ship and the boffs, but I look at the shield mod and Hull and don't know what conclusion to make, has anyone tested on le tribble or any experienced Bop pilots got the lowdown?
This is nothing like spidermitch's chart, but this chart is for people like me who have a really hard time distinguishing the "Fleet", "Retrofit", "Refit", "Heavy" Advanced" etc ships.
I usually associate ships with a class. And I also like to use a "slot" visual representation for boffs rather then their rank.
I dont have access to tribble, so point out anything that is wrong. Credit for info goes to raketh1. I just used Excel to sort the info.
Is this a viable ship? I love the look of the ship and the boffs, but I look at the shield mod and Hull and don't know what conclusion to make, has anyone tested on le tribble or any experienced Bop pilots got the lowdown?
You can do that? I only use mine for Pok?mon; I want to be the very best, like no one ever was, you see.
What ever the build, that low hull will cetainly need protecting. Thankfully it has a BC and may make a good Alpha strike Bird but I do not see it loitering in combat for any length of time.
Maybe the Devs tried to make a BoP that a Engineer could fly?
I really don't like the boff layout here. It's been completely changed. I thought the point of this was to update the Marauder so people would actually fly flight deck cruisers.
I love the Marauder boff layout, imo it's the best tanking layout and is the reason I put up with the ugly looks :P. I was hoping to get the Corsair skin with bonus hull+shields and consoles whilst retaining the boff layout.
The fleet corsair though they've gone and butchered it. I always thought a single sci Lt Cmder boff slot (instead of the current 2 lower tiers ones) would be nice but this configuration will ruin it for me.
Having a 2nd Lt Com eng boffs slot is a must. It's a cruiser not a carrier!
It's like giving the Armitage 1x Cmdr Tac and 1x Ensign tac slots and that's it. How can that be an escort without having all the tac slots? The flight deck cruiser is a cruiser and needs it's eng boff slots to match.
Not happy.
Also, 39k hull is the SAME as the Marauder, shouldn't it be more?
It's not a must. This is the layout I run my ody in and it heals like a dream.
Is this a viable ship? I love the look of the ship and the boffs, but I look at the shield mod and Hull and don't know what conclusion to make, has anyone tested on le tribble or any experienced Bop pilots got the lowdown?
(i have NOT tested it)
This should be viable. But only as a true raider. Decloak, deliver death in 5 seconds, run like crazy. If targeted during this process, hit RSP. If you fail to deliver death and escape before it runs out, you're dead. This is the ultimate hit'n run ship.
(i have NOT tested it)
This should be viable. But only as a true raider. Decloak, deliver death in 5 seconds, run like crazy. If targeted during this process, hit RSP. If you fail to deliver death and escape before it runs out, you're dead. This is the ultimate hit'n run ship.
yep, wont be for the faint of heart. i look forward to blunting its attempts and quickly dispatching it!
the bortasq pet will have 4 tactical consoles though, it could be even more dangerous actually
the bortasq pet will have 4 tactical consoles though, it could be even more dangerous actually
Interresting... how does it compare to the Hegh as far as hull, turnrate and shield modifier go? (from my memory, i'd guess less hull, more turnrate and about the same shield? EDIT: turnrate and hull seem to be virtually identical to Hegh, still dunno about shield)
I'm afraid we still haven't got a real T5 BoP to replace the Hegh'ta... The new ones seem to be about equal or just slightly better than the Hegh, wich would bring it up to almost compete with the fed escorts we have today... but then again, the feds will get better escorts at the same time....
I don't get it... T2 Fleet Escort not even close to T1 Fleet escort soooo weak in comparison... Who will ever buy the Sabre??? Hrdcores only? Less weapons less hull less consoles and antiquated boff layout. Cmoooon Cryptic ... -_-
(i have NOT tested it)
This should be viable. But only as a true raider. Decloak, deliver death in 5 seconds, run like crazy. If targeted during this process, hit RSP. If you fail to deliver death and escape before it runs out, you're dead. This is the ultimate hit'n run ship.
Dual whatever beam bank MK XII [Acc]x3 + BO3 = BOOM
Really, don't bother with this ship. The Ning'Tao has less hull points than most FED shuttles and by far the worst shield modifier of all endgame ships for the marginal gain of a single LtC bridge officer ability. If you want a shiny new raider get a B'rel which received a hull buff in season six, has enhanced battle cloak, is an account wide unlock and you won't have to bother with the fleet grind.
And the tactic you are proposing is basically the standard procedure for all raiders.
I don't get the no love for the hero ships. really, the best of the fleet upgrades are the patrol escort, and god forgive me a frigging NOVA?
the fleet galaxy remains a JOKE ditto intrepid. the Defiant is ok with the 5 tac but i suspect that 5 consoles will provide seriously diminishing returns. have the Devs even SEEN the TV shows? there is no way no how a Stargazer class ship should EVER be a threat to a Galaxy. and the Excelsior fleet isn't in the store.. is that an oversight?
Ya know, My all defiant team is deadly enough..., I can't wait to get the fleet retrofit defiant lol. You'll be seeing alot more of Lafamilia in the que's.
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Btw using my 3DS to post. lol
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CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
Engine limitations.
It's less work for the developers to make a new ship with new stats and have you buy it, than it is to make it so you can boost the attributes of an existing ship you already have.
how the hell u came to that conclusion?
Those are the new ships that will be aviable from starbases, nothing less, nothing more
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K'tan@playhard88 - KDF Tactical
Argento@playhard88 - RRF Tactical (FED)
It seems like a reasonable conclusion to reach. While the bug ship may remain a top performer on the klink side, i suspect the fleet defiant will own a bug ship on a decloaking alpha and in sustained damage output.
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Pretty sure i asked a question, didnt say it was my conclusion. Like i said im new to the pvp and im interested in the more seasoned players ideas on this. As far as the starbase ship part... well i fully intend on having one of these ships and dont see what your trying to get at with the nothing more/less comment. It will be mine.
...could we maybe get an 8th gun for the back? Something? It's like a Defiant (Fleet Tactical Escort), but less nimble, less powerful, and probably less durable (even with LT. Eng and Ens. Eng BOffs).
The Fleet Patrol Escort, by comparison, kicks the stuffing out of it.
I really don't like the boff layout here. It's been completely changed. I thought the point of this was to update the Marauder so people would actually fly flight deck cruisers.
I love the Marauder boff layout, imo it's the best tanking layout and is the reason I put up with the ugly looks :P. I was hoping to get the Corsair skin with bonus hull+shields and consoles whilst retaining the boff layout.
The fleet corsair though they've gone and butchered it. I always thought a single sci Lt Cmder boff slot (instead of the current 2 lower tiers ones) would be nice but this configuration will ruin it for me.
Having a 2nd Lt Com eng boffs slot is a must. It's a cruiser not a carrier!
It's like giving the Armitage 1x Cmdr Tac and 1x Ensign tac slots and that's it. How can that be an escort without having all the tac slots? The flight deck cruiser is a cruiser and needs it's eng boff slots to match.
Not happy.
Also, 39k hull is the SAME as the Marauder, shouldn't it be more?
I don't mind a switch up, but it's a cruiser. Flight deck CRUISER. A cruiser without a 2nd Lt eng boff slot...
Every cruiser from T3 on up on both sides has at least 2 Lt eng level boff slots (or has universal slots to make it still doable).
This is a weird crippled Vo'Quv boff layout without the extra hanger.
If I had a choice I'd make it something like:
(Bit under powered)
Lt tac
Cmd Eng
Lt Eng
Lt Sci
Lt Sci
Or
(reasonable trade off, about equal power)
Lt Tac
Cmd Eng
Lt Eng
Lt Cmd Sci
En Sci
Or
(A nice upgrade from Marauder, possibly a touch OP)
Lt Tac
Cmd Eng
Lt Cmd Eng
Lt Cmd Sci
Well...
The Nebula is a sciship with the Ltcmdr Engineer
The MVAM is an escort with the ltcmdr Science
And I don't even wanna start with the Odyssey...
I think it's good we get some more variation.
Commander - Uni
Lt Commander - Uni
Lt Commander - Uni
Lieutenant - Uni
Engineering: 3
Tactical: 3
Science: 3
Weapons
Fore: 4
Aft: 2
Turn: 22
Hull: 16500
Crew: 75
Device Slots: 2
Shield Mod: 0.66
Is this a viable ship? I love the look of the ship and the boffs, but I look at the shield mod and Hull and don't know what conclusion to make, has anyone tested on le tribble or any experienced Bop pilots got the lowdown?
You can do that? I only use mine for Pok?mon; I want to be the very best, like no one ever was, you see.
Your Ramming Speed III deals 52098 (99235) Kinetic Damage(Critical) to Remus.
I usually associate ships with a class. And I also like to use a "slot" visual representation for boffs rather then their rank.
I dont have access to tribble, so point out anything that is wrong. Credit for info goes to raketh1. I just used Excel to sort the info.
What ever the build, that low hull will cetainly need protecting. Thankfully it has a BC and may make a good Alpha strike Bird but I do not see it loitering in combat for any length of time.
Maybe the Devs tried to make a BoP that a Engineer could fly?
R.I.P
It's not a must. This is the layout I run my ody in and it heals like a dream.
Yep. It's a little tricky to log into the message board.. But yeah it can be done.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
(i have NOT tested it)
This should be viable. But only as a true raider. Decloak, deliver death in 5 seconds, run like crazy. If targeted during this process, hit RSP. If you fail to deliver death and escape before it runs out, you're dead. This is the ultimate hit'n run ship.
yep, wont be for the faint of heart. i look forward to blunting its attempts and quickly dispatching it!
the bortasq pet will have 4 tactical consoles though, it could be even more dangerous actually
Interresting... how does it compare to the Hegh as far as hull, turnrate and shield modifier go? (from my memory, i'd guess less hull, more turnrate and about the same shield? EDIT: turnrate and hull seem to be virtually identical to Hegh, still dunno about shield)
I'm afraid we still haven't got a real T5 BoP to replace the Hegh'ta... The new ones seem to be about equal or just slightly better than the Hegh, wich would bring it up to almost compete with the fed escorts we have today... but then again, the feds will get better escorts at the same time....
I've always felt the five consoles like that to be slightly over rated and prefer to put a universal in the fifth one myself.
A good player doesn't find it as make or break.
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Dual whatever beam bank MK XII [Acc]x3 + BO3 = BOOM
Really, don't bother with this ship. The Ning'Tao has less hull points than most FED shuttles and by far the worst shield modifier of all endgame ships for the marginal gain of a single LtC bridge officer ability. If you want a shiny new raider get a B'rel which received a hull buff in season six, has enhanced battle cloak, is an account wide unlock and you won't have to bother with the fleet grind.
And the tactic you are proposing is basically the standard procedure for all raiders.
the fleet galaxy remains a JOKE ditto intrepid. the Defiant is ok with the 5 tac but i suspect that 5 consoles will provide seriously diminishing returns. have the Devs even SEEN the TV shows? there is no way no how a Stargazer class ship should EVER be a threat to a Galaxy. and the Excelsior fleet isn't in the store.. is that an oversight?
Godfather,