I did not post this rumor as a means of complaining as the the persona of the "sore loser".
I posted it becuase as a fan of the KDF I am tired of seeing, imo, Cryptic sell what ever they think will draw revenue without consideration to the setting of STO they have created.
STO has become a game of no real substance with what seems to be only the next big item "for sell" as the draw to play and the feds seem more than happy to support that idea as long as they can continue lap it up and lord it over others.
Cryptic seems to be on the prowl to sell what ever they can, from what ever source they can to draw that revenue without regard to anyone but the "majority" they feel is the source of that revenue.
They have become pimps for Star Trek, slinging wares on the street corner that STO has become.
That saddens me becuase the IP holds more sources of wares to sell and ideas to build stories upon than they seem willing to research, it cheapens the IP and makes the all participants less than they should be.
Like many Asain MMO's, STO has become all about what "next great item" can be sold and no longer about the story, faction individuality or the fun that such story and individuality holds.
Many fedfans cry that the KDF loses nothing of its uniqueness from these circumstances and that they (feds) have already lost uniqueness and have little left of thier own.
SO what fed uniqueness has the KDf taken? Science ships are the only fed thing we have been given, and even those do not equal the feds. Everything else is iether agnostic gameplay or base mechanics.
The truth is the feds have sucked far more marrow from the unique bones of the KDF empire than anything we have been given as the lesser faction.
Yet they (feds) still continue to protest and protect thier entitlement to continue rather than demand something uniquelly thier own.
Spoiled children in the playground, jealous of that which mommy has not given them yet.
Confident that we KDF fans are just sore losers at watching our uniqueness being sold away and left with no reason to even attempt to play that which drew us the the Star trek universe and this MMO in the begining.
I am not sure where you are getting this "Feds are spoiled kids part". Also I am unaware of any Feds, or at least the ones I know that claim the KDF stole Fed uniqueness. KDF has cruisers, the Feds have cruisers, Fed have science ships the KDF has science ships. KDF has carriers the Feds now have carriers. Same with escorts... are you saying the numbers are where the difference is? Cause if so, that would be balance as far as options goes. If that is indeed the case, then yes there is a imbalance in options between the factions. Which goes back to the obvious development of Feds over KDF.
What I am getting at or trying to get at is that cloak/no cloak doesn't make one side more unique than the other. Battlecloaks don't make the KDF unique. Playstyle makes the KDF unique. I don't play my KDF toons the same way I play my Fed toons. That makes them both unique it doesn't matter what is equipped on the vessels.
As far as diminishing the IP, that is a stale argument. A MMO isn't going to diminish a IP like Star Trek just because one faction is more developed than the other. Star Trek's IP is more than a MMO, or the books or even the movies. There have been bad Star Trek books, bad movies and bad games before STO. They didn't diminish the IP. People just stopped reading them or watching them or playing them. Star Trek New Worlds pops to mind.
Why should Starfleet get any more KDF content when the KDF has but a fraction of Starfleet content? It boggles the mind. Why not ask for new content for Starfleet, without taking from the other faction that has little of its own to offer new players? At least the KDF might actually share in some small part of something actually new to the game.
You want a Bird of Prey? Come to the KDF side. I don't believe that is unreasonable, but then you have Crypic catering to their chosen customer base, and all reason flies out the window.
I wonder what Starfleet would make out of the B'rel. You may find any Bird of Prey rather disappointing after using the Defiant or MVAE.
The truth is the feds have sucked far more marrow from the unique bones of the KDF empire than anything we have been given as the lesser faction.
Yet they (feds) still continue to protest and protect thier entitlement to continue rather than demand something uniquelly thier own.
Spoiled children in the playground, jealous of that which mommy has not given them yet.
Confident that we KDF fans are just sore losers at watching our uniqueness being sold away and left with no reason to even attempt to play that which drew us the the Star trek universe and this MMO in the beginning.
Roach, as a fellow soldier of the Empire I'm asking you to please stop doing this. Stop blaming what's happened to the KDF on other players. What has happened to this game is not the players' fault. No, not even the Fed players' fault. Everything that has happened has been the fault of Atari, Cryptic and Perfect World employees, and no one else.
It's not the Feds fault that they got our Bat'leths, our Orion Slave Women, our Cloaking Devices, our Carriers, they don't program the game, Cryptic does. It's also not the Feds fault that they only have 60 some missions, instead of the 500+ missions that most every other MMO on the planet has, that's also Atari/Cryptic's fault.
By blaming other players for all that the KDF has lost, or never received, it takes the focus away from those that are truly responsible. Atari/Cryptic/PWE. In the game we may be divided up into Fed and KDF, in the game we may be at war but here we're all the same, we're all customers. We all need to unite and make sure that Cryptic/PWE is aware that we're all united in our desire for more mission content and less gambling boxes.
We can't afford to fight and be at each others throat's outside of the game. That's what they want. Divide your opposition and encourage them to fight amongst themselves so that they can't unite against you. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book, in politics or business.
"Any change to non-good alignment immediately strips the ranger of all benefits, and the character becomes a fighter, with eight-sided hit dice, ever after, and can never regain ranger status."
Coming back to this forum is like returning to New Orleans a week after hurricane Katrina has left. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that.
Roach, as a fellow soldier of the Empire I'm asking you to please stop doing this. Stop blaming what's happened to the KDF on other players. What has happened to this game is not the players' fault. No, not even the Fed players' fault. Everything that has happened has been the fault of Atari, Cryptic and Perfect World employees, and no one else.
It's not the Feds fault that they got our Bat'leths, our Orion Slave Women, our Cloaking Devices, our Carriers, they don't program the game, Cryptic does. It's also not the Feds fault that they only have 60 some missions, instead of the 500+ missions that most every other MMO on the planet has, that's also Atari/Cryptic's fault.
By blaming other players for all that the KDF has lost, or never received, it takes the focus away from those that are truly responsible. Atari/Cryptic/PWE. In the game we may be divided up into Fed and KDF, in the game we may be at war but here we're all the same, we're all customers. We all need to unite and make sure that Cryptic/PWE is aware that we're all united in our desire for more mission content and less gambling boxes.
We can't afford to fight and be at each others throat's outside of the game. That's what they want. Divide your opposition and encourage them to fight amongst themselves so that they can't unite against you. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book, in politics or business.
Understood, Falcon... And it is even Atari's/Cryptic's/PWE's fault when the feds cry because the BOP is overpowered and it gets nerfed. When baby's cry, you try to give them a rattle. Sometimes that doesn't work and you try to give them some food, or change their diapers. Sometimes that still doesn't work and you must pick them up and show your love for them. Even then, sometimes, you must dance around with them and sing to them. Perhaps then, the baby will stop crying. But you know what.. that baby, if it always gets everything it wants and is coddled too closely, will grow up spoiled. When you have lots of babies like that in a ratio of approximately 12:1, it means that Atari/Cryptic/PWE must always respond... and still it is Atari's/Cryptic's/PWE's fault. Understood....
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SO is it true that the Devs/Cryptic are seriously considering giving widespread cloaking and a Bop-like escort to the feds?
Are you seriuosly gonna pimp out the last uniqueness for the KDF for a quick buck?
Honestly, cloaking for the feds so they can do what Gene thought heroes should not do?
What possible need does the federation, a force for peace and exploration before war, need for a vessel designed to raid colonies, supply lines, plus overall a machine designed for conquest have for a BoP-like escort?
Does the IP mean anything anymore or has STO just become a "feddy wants it and we will sell it to them" cop-out?
I'm of two minds on this.
First, no, not all federation ships should be able to cloak.
Second, I really would like to be able to Battle Cloak my Defiant Retrofit. It uses a Romulan based Cloaking device and the bloody Romulans can cloak in battle.
And as muc as I would LOVE to put a cloak on my Jem'Hadar attack ship I can see the innate wrongness of giving widespread cloak capability to the whole of the federation.
Understood, Falcon... And it is even Atari's/Cryptic's/PWE's fault when the feds cry because the BOP is overpowered and it gets nerfed. When baby's cry, you try to give them a rattle. Sometimes that doesn't work and you try to give them some food, or change their diapers. Sometimes that still doesn't work and you must pick them up and show your love for them. Even then, sometimes, you must dance around with them and sing to them. Perhaps then, the baby will stop crying. But you know what.. that baby, if it always gets everything it wants and is coddled too closely, will grow up spoiled. When you have lots of babies like that in a ratio of approximately 12:1, it means that Atari/Cryptic/PWE must always respond... and still it is Atari's/Cryptic's/PWE's fault. Understood....
I think you misunderstand him.
He isn't saying that Fed players QQ storms don't have an impact. But rather that they are not the ones making the ultimate decisions.
Just because your kid cries over something doesn't mean that you MUST give them something to stop them from crying. Best option is to determine if what the masses are crying over is a true legitimate concern, and then move forward with the results in hand.
Cryptic and Co. have never done this.
It is either a "My way or the highway" type approach or a "Lets make some money off the crying masses" approach.
The ultimate power of change in this game is not the players. It is the companies that are in charge of this IP that makes those changes.
He isn't saying that Fed players QQ storms don't have an impact. But rather that they are not the ones making the ultimate decisions.
Just because your kid cries over something doesn't mean that you MUST give them something to stop them from crying. Best option is to determine if what the masses are crying over is a true legitimate concern, and then move forward with the results in hand.
Cryptic and Co. have never done this.
It is either a "My way or the highway" type approach or a "Lets make some money off the crying masses" approach.
The ultimate power of change in this game is not the players. It is the companies that are in charge of this IP that makes those changes.
No, I understood him. I added to that and said it is also Cryptic's fault for caving into their QQ's-- You didn't understand me.
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No, I understood him. I added to that and said it is also Cryptic's fault for caving into their QQ's-- You didn't understand me.
Fair enough +)
My apologies.
Can we have cross faction ships now?
I wanna be able to play all the missions in any ship I want, with any BO or Abilities I feel I "need" in order to feel "competitive" QQ
OH!
And without having to pay cryptic points to enjoy my so not OP'ness
Second, I really would like to be able to Battle Cloak my Defiant Retrofit. It uses a Romulan based Cloaking device and the bloody Romulans can cloak in battle.
Technically any cloak would be a "battle" cloak, as ships can cloak whenever possible. It's just a game-play mechanic in STO that distinguishes the BoP's cloaking from others by preventing other cloak-capable ships from activating it in combat.
Hey enough with the crybaby accusations, kay? In 11 pages of this discussion, the Fed players have been polite, and the ones making specific arguments in favor of Fed cloaking have been doing so with arguments based on treaty laws, not "i want i want i want." The only crying I've seen here has been someKDF players (but only some) whose argument boils down to "we're special but nobody loves us," or throwing random accusations at the Federation because we exist. If you notice, a number of Fed players are agreeing that the KDF has been shafted on content and/or that a Fed Raider would be an inappropriate addition. So can we lose the hostility (as much as a Klink can anyways, jk), and stick to a constructive discussion?
Interesting read, and I remember most of it. It does bring of some interesting points... 12-16 percent. Part of what I said earlier is that Star Trek has been and will be about the Federation. So that percentage seems about right.
I had not caught that:
January 7th, 2011 - Dstahl is getting tired of the all the KDF complaints: "If you don't like the speed at which the car is moving - your options are to jump out or watch the DVD in the back seat and eat some cheerios." AND: "Overnight armchair quarterbacks aside, the dev team is constantly improving the KDF for the 12% of our player base who play them."
Problem solved - no PvP between KDF and FED and there are no balance issues
For the rest you play with wht you are given - you Have to have a Fed char to start the game so its not like you can't play both sides
I have 6 toon - 4 Fed and 2 Klink on my main account - I play the Klink every day both doffing and PvE - I have no problems
Most of the Crying KDF players I see are the ones who want to have a tactical advantage and want to get off by surprize attacking Fed players - its really pathetic
Example - I am bringing a new Klink character up on a new account and I am in Karat - so like many times the Klink players team up so you can chat about who to go "get" like kids
also the timer is on count-down and the others on my KDF team go and attack a Fed ship just sitting there waiting for the timer to expire - of course I don't join them - I'm like "WTF are you guys doing" - the Fed player does not even fight back - and its not like you are getting points at that time or something.
Frankly in Karat playing Fed or KDF I see mostly KDF a-holes all the time - no wonder a lot of Feds hate the KDF players
Not just that - Karat until lvl 50 is supposed to be an up and coming mission - there are some players - Fed and Klinks who level a char to say 29 or 39 and max out their ship with the best weapons and items and just go there to kill people - many who are Fed first time players - not with 1000 hours of PvP experience under hteir belt like these KDF guys - and they don't really want to be in a PvP match - but are being forced to! Definetly karat needs to be turned PvE only
So no wonder the KDF leaves a bad taste in the mouth of most Fed players. Now not all KDF players do this - but when you have so few apples - the bad ones REALLY stand out!
You know what the funny thing is about this entire thing, Cryptic says only like 16% of players play the KDF right, what happens when they finally finish off the KDF by giving everything unique it has to the Federation? Even if like 8% decided to leave 8% of their income is a really big hit. They say the majority is more important, a 8% drop in sales and income they'll notice. I feel sorry for them, they are running this game into the ground, whether it's them, pressure from PWE or some other factor at the end ultimately it will be them who will hurt the most. Yes we may loose money by putting it into the game but we won't loose our jobs, our house if we can't get another job etc.
Do I want to see this happen? No of course I don't, but like with elections in my country the issues happening today in my state I saw coming the second I heard who was voted in. I can see the same happening here, Cryptic, start actually doing something please rather than cheap grabs of cash and being a bunch of Federation Fan-Boys and before you say you aren't all your interviews you say and I quote "Like most players I prefer playing my Federation character/toon" hmmmm.... Enough said on my part I think.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
Not trying to start a flame war and I play both KDF and Fed but I almost wish they would roll the KDF into the Fed. Not because I really want to see a demise in the KDF but maybe it would stop this "No the Fed's can't X have cause we won't be unique anymore" BS.
What makes the KDF unique is not powers or consoles but ship designs, uniforms, species and if the KDF had more... stories.
However, people have to pretty much accept the fact that the KDF will never be a full blown faction, this has pretty much been stated since launch. While I agree they got the KDF wrong for not making it a full faction it is obvious that they won't go back and fix it. Given that the Romulans will come out in the next year or so as they have indicated the KDF is pretty much stuck as it is with some fluff here and there.
This competition between KDF and FED (not pvp comp) is really annoying sometimes. Honestly, Star Trek has been and will be about the Federation. Even if they made the KDF a full faction if wouldn't make as much money as the Feds and not be as big as a return on their investment. I don't like it either but they have pretty much came out and said this. So I don't see the point in complaining about something they won't change.
Does it really matter if the Fed gets a battlecloak? As far as BOP's go... they plump when you cook them... I should know I fly one. So what does it matter? As long as they look like Fed ships and not refurbed KDF let the fed have them. It just means that the KDF will go back to differentiating with skill.
Just trying to figure out if my reading comprehension has totally failed here. Are you saying that the only things unique to any faction should be graphics and UI color? That it is foolish to desire unique game play mechanics for either faction?
The over all sense I got from your post was "Let the KDF rot so I can play my Romies sooner." That seems a touch mean.
I doubt you have even considered the ramifications for PvP if all Fed ships got cloaks, and a Fed raider with a battle cloak was introduced. I suggest you do a challenge match with StarDagger. Three minutes waits between attacks, two hour long matches, 15-0 losses when you know a straight out slug fest would have made for a 0-15 win for you.
Do you think the Star Empire faction would get more than ten original stories to play through? They won't. Most Romulan content will be from Fed centric FEs and this new thing that DStahl has hinted at to replace FEs. Any unique Star Empire play mechanics will be given tot he Feds inside of two years of the Romulan faction introduction. That is the reality of the track record.
Everything should be Fed because Trek has always been Fed? Please look at the 400lb gorilla in the room and tell me that argument actually bears true weight. ToR's Empire faction has similar but unique game play mechanics and totally unique stories and there are more Empire players than Republic despite all the movies and TV specials being made from a Republic point of view.
Most of us have come to accept the fact that the KDF will never have as many missions as the Feds nor even ships and shuttles. What would be nice though is six more missions and encouragement to do Defend the Empire, Explores PvP between them so that KDF 1-50 play can be opened up.
I do not see that as a lot to ask for, and in the long run it would be more revenue even if it is from a smaller source. In gold mining even a thin vein can pay the overhead.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
If the feds are looking to get a Raider vessel then why? Why do they need a vessel designed to harrass enemies, spy, to disrupt supply lines and attack strictly for conquest?
The feds already have a cloaking defiant, they have no need for a BoP-like escort to fill the role that was never intended for the federation.
Peaceful exploration and combat only when all other routes fail, the hero's role, the good guy's role, the noblier path that they once adhered too but willingly seem to have sold out.
i hope this will not happen.
every player is able to create his own klink FOR FREE, so why should they do this?
it is also announced that there will be cross faction PVP, so such a klink could be playing with his FED buddies..
anyways - the romulan faction could be the solution here for people which want to have cloak and don't like to associate with the KDF. (sry i had to)
The main reason used to be to get people to create and play a Klingon Toon...
But that's kinda-sorta flown out the window at this point with everything that's happened in the last year.
Saucer and hull separation. Not one Gal-R or MAVM on the equivalent KDF side of the field. Separation was supposed to be what filled the gaps against KDF carriers. Well now that Feds have carriers we can see the KDF does not have separation. Not that we want it as that makes Fed play unique. Else I think more would have bought it up.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
My opinion about KDF players... They're pathetic cry babies.
No more than Federation players to be honest, it's easy to say that when you're favourite faction gets all the goodies, full campaign and has like 90% more content than
the other. This type of attitude is why many KDF players aren't very nice towards Federation only players. It's guys like you who split this gaming community in half. We're all in this together, many Federation players do want a Romulan faction but that won't happen until the KDF gets some more attention.
Support the Game by Supporting the KDF, equality and uniqueness for all factions!
No more than Federation players to be honest, it's easy to say that when you're favourite faction gets all the goodies, full campaign and has like 90% more content than
the other. This type of attitude is why many KDF players aren't very nice towards Federation only players. It's guys like you who split this gaming community in half. We're all in this together, many Federation players do want a Romulan faction but that won't happen until the KDF gets some more attention.
It's guys like me that split this game in half, eh? I'm not the one whining all over the forums am I?
Your type of attitude is what is making the Devs not even consider your faction.
My favorite faction? Lol, you don't know me so you can't tell me what my favorite faction is. I may have the UFP avatar, but guess what, that isn't my favorite faction.
I want Dominion to be a playable faction, but that isn't going to happen now is it.
You should really get off your high horse and just play the game for what it is, a game. Not someone's politically TRIBBLE playground.
Oh and btw, I play my Klingon characters a lot.
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Really? Let people pay for what they want. besides in a Star Trek Universe, what's wrong with practicality when your basically a universe at war or cold-hot war.
Hey we live in a JJ Abrams Star Trek universe where practicality and the need to be tactically sound . So ef the old cannon.
Hey we live in a JJ Abrams Star Trek universe where practicality and the need to be tactically sound . So ef the old cannon.
no we don't, 2409 and the universe STO is in are appart from the timeline created by Nero.
Vulcan is still there if you remember.
the event leading to the destruction of romulus are in STO's timeline (romulus destroyed)...but the time travel effect didn't take place in this reality.
It's guys like me that split this game in half, eh? I'm not the one whining all over the forums am I?
Your type of attitude is what is making the Devs not even consider your faction.
My favorite faction? Lol, you don't know me so you can't tell me what my favorite faction is. I may have the UFP avatar, but guess what, that isn't my favorite faction.
I want Dominion to be a playable faction, but that isn't going to happen now is it.
You should really get off your high horse and just play the game for what it is, a game. Not someone's politically TRIBBLE playground.
Oh and btw, I play my Klingon characters a lot.
When you call someone else's opinion Pathetic or TRIBBLE you are polarizing for or against a faction. That is by nature splitting in half. As a matter of fact posting such opinions with such color is against the forum rules and you should be reported.
If you are a pickle in a pickle jar you know every pickle's different, sort of, but really they're all just pickles...
It's been two years now...two years...and there is no sign of the Klingon becoming a full faction.
It doesn't matter what they promised before Beta, the FACT is it isn't going to happen. The devs have already stated that the war is ending soon. They will likely fold Klingons back into the Federation and solve the problem that way.
The incessant whining on this topic has just become ridiculous. It didn't happen, it's not happening...just get over it already.
I'd love to play a Cardassian...I can't. I do not spam the forums with whine in a futile attempt to get the devs to notice me like a petulant child.
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You and a few others in here got it wrong and fell prey to stereotyping us KDF fans.
The thread is about the rumors that the feds will get more widespread cloaking options and a BoP-like escort in the future.
We are not talking about faction completion, but the possible slow dismantling of the KDF by the process of having our once unique signature abilities sold off in the future.
It's guys like me that split this game in half, eh? I'm not the one whining all over the forums am I?
Niether are we.
Find the whines from us KDF fans in the General and Star Trek discussion threads.
Find the whines from us KDF fans anywhere outside the KDF section of the forums.
With the exception of this thread being moved to the feds fleet section, you will actually be hard pressed to find a KDF whine thread anywhere but inside the KDF section of the forums.
Which is where we are suppossed to keep such threads normally.
Even in the small subsection of the forums we have, we still have more feds coming in anwhining about our whining than we have threads that are whining.
Odds bodkins, even if a KDF thread complaining about the next fed "gimme item" does pop up its quickly moved or short lived at best and the 95% of the forums goes back to its normal status quo.
If anybody is filling the forums with continiuos postings, its the feds and their constant asking for more more more more.
So its seems to me that we KDF fans for the most part state our complaints in our little area accomponied by fed insults while the feds tend to flood the forums with the next cry for more this , that or the other.
And yet we KDF are the childish ones..........:rolleyes:
Roach, as a fellow soldier of the Empire I'm asking you to please stop doing this. Stop blaming what's happened to the KDF on other players. What has happened to this game is not the players' fault. No, not even the Fed players' fault. Everything that has happened has been the fault of Atari, Cryptic and Perfect World employees, and no one else.
It's not the Feds fault that they got our Bat'leths, our Orion Slave Women, our Cloaking Devices, our Carriers, they don't program the game, Cryptic does.
I disagree. Many of those examples where given to the feds as options becuase a portion of the fedfan playerbase asked for them continiuosly until they got it and becuase the Devs realized they could sell it.
These forums where once covered in "we need carriers too " cries from the feds and we still see the occassional "KDF is OP, we need BoPS and Cloaking" cries pop-up in here.
The Devs may be responsible for selling out the IP for a dollar to the feds but its not something the feds where surprised by, many of them asked for the very things they recieved.
It's also not the Feds fault that they only have 60 some missions, instead of the 500+ missions that most every other MMO on the planet has, that's also Atari/Cryptic's fault.
This I agree with, the Devs are soley responsible for the sorry PvE storylijne. multifactional state of the game.
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NOOO!!!!!... Seriously... why do you think I said.."Cloak that everyone else has?" Read ppl....read.
Yeah, that's right.
I am not sure where you are getting this "Feds are spoiled kids part". Also I am unaware of any Feds, or at least the ones I know that claim the KDF stole Fed uniqueness. KDF has cruisers, the Feds have cruisers, Fed have science ships the KDF has science ships. KDF has carriers the Feds now have carriers. Same with escorts... are you saying the numbers are where the difference is? Cause if so, that would be balance as far as options goes. If that is indeed the case, then yes there is a imbalance in options between the factions. Which goes back to the obvious development of Feds over KDF.
What I am getting at or trying to get at is that cloak/no cloak doesn't make one side more unique than the other. Battlecloaks don't make the KDF unique. Playstyle makes the KDF unique. I don't play my KDF toons the same way I play my Fed toons. That makes them both unique it doesn't matter what is equipped on the vessels.
As far as diminishing the IP, that is a stale argument. A MMO isn't going to diminish a IP like Star Trek just because one faction is more developed than the other. Star Trek's IP is more than a MMO, or the books or even the movies. There have been bad Star Trek books, bad movies and bad games before STO. They didn't diminish the IP. People just stopped reading them or watching them or playing them. Star Trek New Worlds pops to mind.
I wouldn't care if the KDF got MVAM or saucer sep. or any other "unique" Fed feature either. As a matter of fact, I think they should.
You want a Bird of Prey? Come to the KDF side. I don't believe that is unreasonable, but then you have Crypic catering to their chosen customer base, and all reason flies out the window.
I wonder what Starfleet would make out of the B'rel. You may find any Bird of Prey rather disappointing after using the Defiant or MVAE.
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Roach, as a fellow soldier of the Empire I'm asking you to please stop doing this. Stop blaming what's happened to the KDF on other players. What has happened to this game is not the players' fault. No, not even the Fed players' fault. Everything that has happened has been the fault of Atari, Cryptic and Perfect World employees, and no one else.
It's not the Feds fault that they got our Bat'leths, our Orion Slave Women, our Cloaking Devices, our Carriers, they don't program the game, Cryptic does. It's also not the Feds fault that they only have 60 some missions, instead of the 500+ missions that most every other MMO on the planet has, that's also Atari/Cryptic's fault.
By blaming other players for all that the KDF has lost, or never received, it takes the focus away from those that are truly responsible. Atari/Cryptic/PWE. In the game we may be divided up into Fed and KDF, in the game we may be at war but here we're all the same, we're all customers. We all need to unite and make sure that Cryptic/PWE is aware that we're all united in our desire for more mission content and less gambling boxes.
We can't afford to fight and be at each others throat's outside of the game. That's what they want. Divide your opposition and encourage them to fight amongst themselves so that they can't unite against you. It's one of the oldest tricks in the book, in politics or business.
Understood, Falcon... And it is even Atari's/Cryptic's/PWE's fault when the feds cry because the BOP is overpowered and it gets nerfed. When baby's cry, you try to give them a rattle. Sometimes that doesn't work and you try to give them some food, or change their diapers. Sometimes that still doesn't work and you must pick them up and show your love for them. Even then, sometimes, you must dance around with them and sing to them. Perhaps then, the baby will stop crying. But you know what.. that baby, if it always gets everything it wants and is coddled too closely, will grow up spoiled. When you have lots of babies like that in a ratio of approximately 12:1, it means that Atari/Cryptic/PWE must always respond... and still it is Atari's/Cryptic's/PWE's fault. Understood....
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I'm of two minds on this.
First, no, not all federation ships should be able to cloak.
Second, I really would like to be able to Battle Cloak my Defiant Retrofit. It uses a Romulan based Cloaking device and the bloody Romulans can cloak in battle.
And as muc as I would LOVE to put a cloak on my Jem'Hadar attack ship I can see the innate wrongness of giving widespread cloak capability to the whole of the federation.
Treaty with the romulan empire prohibited the development and use of Cloaking technology by the federation.
Many argue that with the fall of the Romulan empire the treaty is void.
get a clean sheet of paper - on the first side write:
: "The other side is the truth"
now flip it over and write"
"The other side is a lie"
Now tell me which side is the truth? Start from each side and pick.
I think you misunderstand him.
He isn't saying that Fed players QQ storms don't have an impact. But rather that they are not the ones making the ultimate decisions.
Just because your kid cries over something doesn't mean that you MUST give them something to stop them from crying. Best option is to determine if what the masses are crying over is a true legitimate concern, and then move forward with the results in hand.
Cryptic and Co. have never done this.
It is either a "My way or the highway" type approach or a "Lets make some money off the crying masses" approach.
The ultimate power of change in this game is not the players. It is the companies that are in charge of this IP that makes those changes.
No, I understood him. I added to that and said it is also Cryptic's fault for caving into their QQ's-- You didn't understand me.
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Fair enough +)
My apologies.
Can we have cross faction ships now?
I wanna be able to play all the missions in any ship I want, with any BO or Abilities I feel I "need" in order to feel "competitive" QQ
OH!
And without having to pay cryptic points to enjoy my so not OP'ness
Technically any cloak would be a "battle" cloak, as ships can cloak whenever possible. It's just a game-play mechanic in STO that distinguishes the BoP's cloaking from others by preventing other cloak-capable ships from activating it in combat.
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I had not caught that:
January 7th, 2011 - Dstahl is getting tired of the all the KDF complaints: "If you don't like the speed at which the car is moving - your options are to jump out or watch the DVD in the back seat and eat some cheerios." AND: "Overnight armchair quarterbacks aside, the dev team is constantly improving the KDF for the 12% of our player base who play them."
I wonder what the number is now.
For the rest you play with wht you are given - you Have to have a Fed char to start the game so its not like you can't play both sides
I have 6 toon - 4 Fed and 2 Klink on my main account - I play the Klink every day both doffing and PvE - I have no problems
Most of the Crying KDF players I see are the ones who want to have a tactical advantage and want to get off by surprize attacking Fed players - its really pathetic
Example - I am bringing a new Klink character up on a new account and I am in Karat - so like many times the Klink players team up so you can chat about who to go "get" like kids
also the timer is on count-down and the others on my KDF team go and attack a Fed ship just sitting there waiting for the timer to expire - of course I don't join them - I'm like "WTF are you guys doing" - the Fed player does not even fight back - and its not like you are getting points at that time or something.
Frankly in Karat playing Fed or KDF I see mostly KDF a-holes all the time - no wonder a lot of Feds hate the KDF players
Not just that - Karat until lvl 50 is supposed to be an up and coming mission - there are some players - Fed and Klinks who level a char to say 29 or 39 and max out their ship with the best weapons and items and just go there to kill people - many who are Fed first time players - not with 1000 hours of PvP experience under hteir belt like these KDF guys - and they don't really want to be in a PvP match - but are being forced to! Definetly karat needs to be turned PvE only
So no wonder the KDF leaves a bad taste in the mouth of most Fed players. Now not all KDF players do this - but when you have so few apples - the bad ones REALLY stand out!
Do I want to see this happen? No of course I don't, but like with elections in my country the issues happening today in my state I saw coming the second I heard who was voted in. I can see the same happening here, Cryptic, start actually doing something please rather than cheap grabs of cash and being a bunch of Federation Fan-Boys and before you say you aren't all your interviews you say and I quote "Like most players I prefer playing my Federation character/toon" hmmmm.... Enough said on my part I think.
Just trying to figure out if my reading comprehension has totally failed here. Are you saying that the only things unique to any faction should be graphics and UI color? That it is foolish to desire unique game play mechanics for either faction?
The over all sense I got from your post was "Let the KDF rot so I can play my Romies sooner." That seems a touch mean.
I doubt you have even considered the ramifications for PvP if all Fed ships got cloaks, and a Fed raider with a battle cloak was introduced. I suggest you do a challenge match with StarDagger. Three minutes waits between attacks, two hour long matches, 15-0 losses when you know a straight out slug fest would have made for a 0-15 win for you.
Do you think the Star Empire faction would get more than ten original stories to play through? They won't. Most Romulan content will be from Fed centric FEs and this new thing that DStahl has hinted at to replace FEs. Any unique Star Empire play mechanics will be given tot he Feds inside of two years of the Romulan faction introduction. That is the reality of the track record.
Everything should be Fed because Trek has always been Fed? Please look at the 400lb gorilla in the room and tell me that argument actually bears true weight. ToR's Empire faction has similar but unique game play mechanics and totally unique stories and there are more Empire players than Republic despite all the movies and TV specials being made from a Republic point of view.
Most of us have come to accept the fact that the KDF will never have as many missions as the Feds nor even ships and shuttles. What would be nice though is six more missions and encouragement to do Defend the Empire, Explores PvP between them so that KDF 1-50 play can be opened up.
I do not see that as a lot to ask for, and in the long run it would be more revenue even if it is from a smaller source. In gold mining even a thin vein can pay the overhead.
i hope this will not happen.
every player is able to create his own klink FOR FREE, so why should they do this?
it is also announced that there will be cross faction PVP, so such a klink could be playing with his FED buddies..
anyways - the romulan faction could be the solution here for people which want to have cloak and don't like to associate with the KDF. (sry i had to)
Saucer and hull separation. Not one Gal-R or MAVM on the equivalent KDF side of the field. Separation was supposed to be what filled the gaps against KDF carriers. Well now that Feds have carriers we can see the KDF does not have separation. Not that we want it as that makes Fed play unique. Else I think more would have bought it up.
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Opinions are like butts. Everyone has one and they usually stink.
No more than Federation players to be honest, it's easy to say that when you're favourite faction gets all the goodies, full campaign and has like 90% more content than
the other. This type of attitude is why many KDF players aren't very nice towards Federation only players. It's guys like you who split this gaming community in half. We're all in this together, many Federation players do want a Romulan faction but that won't happen until the KDF gets some more attention.
It's guys like me that split this game in half, eh? I'm not the one whining all over the forums am I?
Your type of attitude is what is making the Devs not even consider your faction.
My favorite faction? Lol, you don't know me so you can't tell me what my favorite faction is. I may have the UFP avatar, but guess what, that isn't my favorite faction.
I want Dominion to be a playable faction, but that isn't going to happen now is it.
You should really get off your high horse and just play the game for what it is, a game. Not someone's politically TRIBBLE playground.
Oh and btw, I play my Klingon characters a lot.
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Really? Let people pay for what they want. besides in a Star Trek Universe, what's wrong with practicality when your basically a universe at war or cold-hot war.
Hey we live in a JJ Abrams Star Trek universe where practicality and the need to be tactically sound . So ef the old cannon.
no we don't, 2409 and the universe STO is in are appart from the timeline created by Nero.
Vulcan is still there if you remember.
the event leading to the destruction of romulus are in STO's timeline (romulus destroyed)...but the time travel effect didn't take place in this reality.
When you call someone else's opinion Pathetic or TRIBBLE you are polarizing for or against a faction. That is by nature splitting in half. As a matter of fact posting such opinions with such color is against the forum rules and you should be reported.
It doesn't matter what they promised before Beta, the FACT is it isn't going to happen. The devs have already stated that the war is ending soon. They will likely fold Klingons back into the Federation and solve the problem that way.
The incessant whining on this topic has just become ridiculous. It didn't happen, it's not happening...just get over it already.
I'd love to play a Cardassian...I can't. I do not spam the forums with whine in a futile attempt to get the devs to notice me like a petulant child.
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These forums where once covered in "we need carriers too " cries from the feds and we still see the occassional "KDF is OP, we need BoPS and Cloaking" cries pop-up in here.
The Devs may be responsible for selling out the IP for a dollar to the feds but its not something the feds where surprised by, many of them asked for the very things they recieved.
This I agree with, the Devs are soley responsible for the sorry PvE storylijne. multifactional state of the game.
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