SO is it true that the Devs/Cryptic are seriously considering giving widespread cloaking and a Bop-like escort to the feds?
Are you seriuosly gonna pimp out the last uniqueness for the KDF for a quick buck?
Honestly, cloaking for the feds so they can do what Gene thought heroes should not do?
What possible need does the federation, a force for peace and exploration before war, need for a vessel designed to raid colonies, supply lines, plus overall a machine designed for conquest have for a BoP-like escort?
Does the IP mean anything anymore or has STO just become a "feddy wants it and we will sell it to them" cop-out?
SO is it true that the Devs/Cryptic are seriously considering giving widespread cloaking and a Bop-like escort to the feds?
Are you seriuosly gonna pimp out the last uniqueness for the KDF for a quick buck?
Honestly, cloaking for the feds so they can do what Gene thought heroes should not do?
What possible need does the federation, a force for peace and exploration before war, need for a vessel designed to raid colonies, supply lines, plus overall a machine designed for conquest have for a BoP-like escort?
Does the IP mean anything anymore or has STO just become a "feddy wants it and we will sell it to them" cop-out?
Blurgh. Facepalm. And other negative reactions.
Seriously, if they give cloaking and universal console escorts to the Feds, then stick a fork in it.
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I've been getting PMs and a ingame chatter on it.
Like I said rumors and a bad one at that.
Frankly STO has become just a money grab in my eyes and while Cryptic is a bussiness and needs to make a profit, at what point do they stop selling everything they think they can get a bit of money for and adhere to some of the ideology of the Star trek universe?
If the feds where to have widespread cloaking we would have seen that in TV shows and the movies becuase in a real life enviroment cloaking is a great tactical advantage, but in the fictional world of Star trek there is a reason they did not go "RL" with cloaking. To do so tarnishes the Hero image.
If the feds are looking to get a Raider vessel then why? Why do they need a vessel designed to harrass enemies, spy, to disrupt supply lines and attack strictly for conquest?
The feds already have a cloaking defiant, they have no need for a BoP-like escort to fill the role that was never intended for the federation.
Peaceful exploration and combat only when all other routes fail, the hero's role, the good guy's role, the noblier path that they once adhered too but willingly seem to have sold out.
Battle clock and vessels that are designed to be cannon fodder, sry to say (even if I want to see them), is about as un-Federation as it gets. With carriers there are sources going back to TOS that says the Fed had them and we see fighters in DS9, but BoPs go against bringing the crew home alive.
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I really hope this isn't on the way. How much longer before "they" start putting things in that CBS says or has said no to? Don't think that hasn't run through "their" heads yet? Lets see just how big your "company" thinks it is when the Owner comes in and cleans house.
FYI, I no longer will call "them", those who bought Cryptic, by their name. They no longer have the right to be called it.
Hence my fears. I'm all for growth and diversity but so far that seems to be disapeering in STO and makes me wonder if its not prepping for folding the KDf into the federation rather than attempt to repair it.
Of course that different rumor all together.
True, but then why did the feds never fix it and use it against the Borg, the Romulans, the Klingons, etc?
Well they never fixed it due to the treaty of Algeron. But any good diplomat will tell you a treaty is only valid as long as the entities party to the treaty are able to enforce it.
With the Romulans unable to enforce the treaty the Fed could of taken the Pegasus out of mothballs
Hence my fears. I'm all for growth and diversity but so far that seems to be disapeering in STO and makes me wonder if its not prepping for folding the KDf into the federation rather than attempt to repair it.
Of course that different rumor all together.
True, but then why did the feds never fix it and use it against the Borg, the Romulans, the Klingons, etc?
That's what I'm starting to think, too. I mean, they're talking about going back to the earlier storylines, could be they're thinking about ending the war and making the klingons same as the FED.
That'd suck. Big time.
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That's what I'm starting to think, too. I mean, they're talking about going back to the earlier storylines, could be they're thinking about ending the war and making the klingons same as the FED.
That'd suck. Big time.
Well remember sooner or later the Klingons will join the Federation
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so "they" claim there is not enough people that play kdf to warrant developing new and exciting things for us, have "they" ever thought to think that the reason alot of people dont switch over to the kdf is because everything that is unique to the kdf will just be released to the feds eventually so why bother? I say take everything that WAS unique to the kdf away from the feddies, if they want it then play the faction that it was designed for originally.
Well they never fixed it due to the treaty of Algeron. But any good diplomat will tell you a treaty is only valid as long as the entities party to the treaty are able to enforce it.
With the Romulans unable to enforce the treaty the Fed could of taken the Pegasus out of mothballs
An excellent rebuttal based on the setting of Star Trek.
In STO an executive order exists that states that the Federation will not further pursue cloaking, so I expect it still holds true since the KDf still exist plus the remnants of the RSE.
Not trying to start a flame war and I play both KDF and Fed but I almost wish they would roll the KDF into the Fed. Not because I really want to see a demise in the KDF but maybe it would stop this "No the Fed's can't X have cause we won't be unique anymore" BS.
What makes the KDF unique is not powers or consoles but ship designs, uniforms, species and if the KDF had more... stories.
However, people have to pretty much accept the fact that the KDF will never be a full blown faction, this has pretty much been stated since launch. While I agree they got the KDF wrong for not making it a full faction it is obvious that they won't go back and fix it. Given that the Romulans will come out in the next year or so as they have indicated the KDF is pretty much stuck as it is with some fluff here and there.
This competition between KDF and FED (not pvp comp) is really annoying sometimes. Honestly, Star Trek has been and will be about the Federation. Even if they made the KDF a full faction if wouldn't make as much money as the Feds and not be as big as a return on their investment. I don't like it either but they have pretty much came out and said this. So I don't see the point in complaining about something they won't change.
Does it really matter if the Fed gets a battlecloak? As far as BOP's go... they plump when you cook them... I should know I fly one. So what does it matter? As long as they look like Fed ships and not refurbed KDF let the fed have them. It just means that the KDF will go back to differentiating with skill.
Well remember sooner or later the Klingons will join the Federation
True, in the IP, in one of the timelines, the KDF joins the federation.
When has any society that has joined the federation lost thier own identity though?
They all have remained members of the federation plus thier own societies as well.
That is not the case so far with the KDf as the little things that where once a uniqueness to us seem to be slowly sold out from under us to chase a revenue stream.
It matters because its a cop-out to having to do something original instead of stealing the last thing that is unique to the Klingons. The iconic BoP that we all know and love.
Everyone knows it will happen. Starfleet will get their Caitian BoP. It is inevitable. Think of all the $$$ they will make!
If KDF players are run off, so much the better. Cryptic won't make as much on c-store gear for us, so why not run off what's left and assimilate the stragglers?
When I see widespread Starfleet BoPs in Elite STFs, then we'll see. Maybe they'll improve KDF BoPs in the process. It's not so easy exposing your hull to Elite-level opponents when you are going in/out of Cloak... but perhaps Starfleet will be better at it than the KDF, am I right?
I have an idea, let have Feds have the cloak on the terms that we get a Federation starhip we stole an refitted to our own purposes, say a T5+1 Connie.
It matters because its a cop-out to having to do something original instead of stealing the last thing that is unique to the Klingons. The iconic BoP that we all know and love.
Then you misunderstood what I was saying, the BOP would still be iconic that won't change if the Feds get a battlecloak or a similar escort. The point being is that the battlecloak doesn't make the KDF unique.
The funny thing is, even if we go by the premise that there is a war between the Klingons and the Feds typically in war both sides start to develop similar technology or steal it from each other.
I'm not complaining about the kdf not being a full faction, I'm upset with the fact that what makes the kdf side of the game unique is being sold to the feds. Let the feds have their cstore candy but dont steal it from the kdf. Again if the feds want ships with battlecloaks and raiders join the kdf! Stop Stealing our identities for a quick buck. I know the kdf side is not their Bread and Butter but stop picking us clean. And i cant wait for feds to start crying that the
Romulans have all the cool toys so they can leave the kdf alone.
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You sound like the British Navy during World War I.
Wait doesn't the IP still mean a way to get money for the rights holder
Though I doubt every Fed ship would get cloaking ability as they would probably have to make a cloaked texture for all of them then.
Blurgh. Facepalm. And other negative reactions.
Seriously, if they give cloaking and universal console escorts to the Feds, then stick a fork in it.
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I've been getting PMs and a ingame chatter on it.
Like I said rumors and a bad one at that.
Frankly STO has become just a money grab in my eyes and while Cryptic is a bussiness and needs to make a profit, at what point do they stop selling everything they think they can get a bit of money for and adhere to some of the ideology of the Star trek universe?
If the feds where to have widespread cloaking we would have seen that in TV shows and the movies becuase in a real life enviroment cloaking is a great tactical advantage, but in the fictional world of Star trek there is a reason they did not go "RL" with cloaking. To do so tarnishes the Hero image.
If the feds are looking to get a Raider vessel then why? Why do they need a vessel designed to harrass enemies, spy, to disrupt supply lines and attack strictly for conquest?
The feds already have a cloaking defiant, they have no need for a BoP-like escort to fill the role that was never intended for the federation.
Peaceful exploration and combat only when all other routes fail, the hero's role, the good guy's role, the noblier path that they once adhered too but willingly seem to have sold out.
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FvF - Some KDF complain and say never as it will kill FvK (but leave in KvK m'kay).. Feds get FvF
Fed Cloak - Some KDF complain and say it is the only thing that makes them unique - Feds get cloak
Universal Slots - Some KDF complain and say it is the only thing that makes them unique (again) - Feds get universal slots
Fed Carrier - Some KDF complain and say it is the only thing that makes them unique (for reals this time) - Feds get carriers
Now a Fed BoP rumor...
Just saying based on my observations since 2009.
Well technically it was a phase shifting device
But never the less
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Of course that different rumor all together.
True, but then why did the feds never fix it and use it against the Borg, the Romulans, the Klingons, etc?
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Well they never fixed it due to the treaty of Algeron. But any good diplomat will tell you a treaty is only valid as long as the entities party to the treaty are able to enforce it.
With the Romulans unable to enforce the treaty the Fed could of taken the Pegasus out of mothballs
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That's what I'm starting to think, too. I mean, they're talking about going back to the earlier storylines, could be they're thinking about ending the war and making the klingons same as the FED.
That'd suck. Big time.
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An excellent rebuttal based on the setting of Star Trek.
In STO an executive order exists that states that the Federation will not further pursue cloaking, so I expect it still holds true since the KDf still exist plus the remnants of the RSE.
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What makes the KDF unique is not powers or consoles but ship designs, uniforms, species and if the KDF had more... stories.
However, people have to pretty much accept the fact that the KDF will never be a full blown faction, this has pretty much been stated since launch. While I agree they got the KDF wrong for not making it a full faction it is obvious that they won't go back and fix it. Given that the Romulans will come out in the next year or so as they have indicated the KDF is pretty much stuck as it is with some fluff here and there.
This competition between KDF and FED (not pvp comp) is really annoying sometimes. Honestly, Star Trek has been and will be about the Federation. Even if they made the KDF a full faction if wouldn't make as much money as the Feds and not be as big as a return on their investment. I don't like it either but they have pretty much came out and said this. So I don't see the point in complaining about something they won't change.
Does it really matter if the Fed gets a battlecloak? As far as BOP's go... they plump when you cook them... I should know I fly one. So what does it matter? As long as they look like Fed ships and not refurbed KDF let the fed have them. It just means that the KDF will go back to differentiating with skill.
True, in the IP, in one of the timelines, the KDF joins the federation.
When has any society that has joined the federation lost thier own identity though?
They all have remained members of the federation plus thier own societies as well.
That is not the case so far with the KDf as the little things that where once a uniqueness to us seem to be slowly sold out from under us to chase a revenue stream.
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If KDF players are run off, so much the better. Cryptic won't make as much on c-store gear for us, so why not run off what's left and assimilate the stragglers?
When I see widespread Starfleet BoPs in Elite STFs, then we'll see. Maybe they'll improve KDF BoPs in the process. It's not so easy exposing your hull to Elite-level opponents when you are going in/out of Cloak... but perhaps Starfleet will be better at it than the KDF, am I right?
PvP is dead, in any case.
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Romulans have all the cool toys so they can leave the kdf alone.
I wanted BoP, universal consoles, battle cloaks, and (to a much lesser extent) carriers. So I started up a KDF character.
Want it? Play the faction that has it or sit down and stfu.