Even as a devout Fed I don't want this to happen. We already have 2 Fed ships with cloaking, and that's all we need. I hope this rumor stays that way. You want the element of surprise? Get a Galaxy-X or the T5 Defiant. No need to turn PvP into a hide n' Seek game.
This Fed says no to battle cloaks. We'll get our sneaky, underhanded tactics in original ways.
Yes. That they tend to be right more often than not
It would also be rather ironic considering that there is a datachip that gives info about how there is a presidential executive order banning federation research into cloaking technology
There is support for a FED cloak in the IP. Remember the U.S.S. Pegasus
Which was developed in secret and illegally. That doesn't count.
However, people have to pretty much accept the fact that the KDF will never be a full blown faction, this has pretty much been stated since launch[/quoet]
No it hasn't. The exact opposite was stated since launch, and as recently as less than 6 months ago. Only to have them do a complete 180 and do the exact opposite.
Given that the Romulans will come out in the next year or so
Romulans aren't coming. If they don't have the time or the resources to finish what they started with the KDF then they don't have the resources to develop a third faction either
Not trying to start a flame war and I play both KDF and Fed but I almost wish they would roll the KDF into the Fed. Not because I really want to see a demise in the KDF but maybe it would stop this "No the Fed's can't X have cause we won't be unique anymore" BS.
Thats not a reason
Does it really matter if the Fed gets a battlecloak
Then you misunderstood what I was saying, the BOP would still be iconic that won't change if the Feds get a battlecloak or a similar escort. The point being is that the battlecloak doesn't make the KDF unique.
But the BoP does in the eyes of the KDF fans. Why should are uniqueness be sold off to the whim of others?
The funny thing is, even if we go by the premise that there is a war between the Klingons and the Feds typically in war both sides start to develop similar technology or steal it from each other.
In a real world setting, sure. You do what has to be done to survive your agressors without selling one's soul in th process.
In ST , the feds did this by learning to defend themselves without crossing back into the all out warlike nature that almost killed the human race before the federation was created from the ashes of thier new extinction.
Its one of the tenants of the them being the hero in the IP, they stand above and attempt to live by the higher ideals of human achievement. Not sit around and steal every advantage they can get or purchase them just becuase they can or from a sense of entitlement.
By the very reasoning that it doesn't matter, it should be feasible for the KDF to get MVAM, Ablative armor consoles and all manner of fed tech that we otherwise would not have. How mnay will ***** when the Ablative armor B'rel flies around in PvP, stating its fedtech invented by janeway and the KDf does not need it?
I have an idea, let have Feds have the cloak on the terms that we get a Federation starhip we stole an refitted to our own purposes, say a T5+1 Connie.
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I don't think a Battle Cloak is appropriate for Fed's either...
But some kind of Phased Cloak with a 25% to 30% Failure rate at any time, would be cool.
Can't fire while using it, but could be useful for getting out of tight spots while in battle...
...kind of an emergency escape button from a losing-battle...
(not sure how it would balance out in PvP, but with a long CD it might not be too bad.)
No warp while it's on...
Be neat to make it so one could travel through asteroids and planets while using it.
(though with a 25-30% fail-rate, one wouldn't want to stay there long.)
Turn rate could be limited like with the Slipstream Drive (though not as limited)...
Would give the opposing forces a chance to perhaps try to fire along the last known trajectory of the ship using it... maybe get a lucky shot in and disrupt the thing.
(I'm just low-balling it at this point) :biggrin:
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I can KIND OF understand Starfleet seeing the need for a Battle Cloak since they're basically at war with everyone and their brother right now, but an honest-to-God RAIDER? That's a bit much. I mean, "RAIDER?" The name alone says it all.
If they really really really really really need a Battle Cloak THAT bad, just make one of the ships that ALREADY has a standard cloak have it (and this is just me playing devil's advocate here; really I just prefer BC's stay with the Klinks, and I have toons on BOTH sides I play with, so I'm not biased either way). Don't invent for them a paper-hulled gun-laden deathtrap that doesn't fit with the Fed policy of "everybody makes it home" in the first place.
I can KIND OF understand Starfleet seeing the need for a Battle Cloak since they're basically at war with everyone and their brother right now, but an honest-to-God RAIDER? That's a bit much. I mean, "RAIDER?" The name alone says it all.
If they really really really really really need a Battle Cloak THAT bad, just make one of the ships that ALREADY has a standard cloak have it (and this is just me playing devil's advocate here; really I just prefer BC's stay with the Klinks, and I have toons on BOTH sides I play with, so I'm not biased either way). Don't invent for them a paper-hulled gun-laden deathtrap that doesn't fit with the Fed policy of "everybody makes it home" in the first place.
going by this line of thinking.. if all current fed cloaking ships get BC, then they need to lose as much as the BOP has lost due to it's BC.. 1 weapon slot, 1 tac console slot, 1 boff slot, hull, shields, total power, and whatever else i didn't think of.
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going by this line of thinking.. if all current fed cloaking ships get BC, then they need to lose as much as the BOP has lost due to it's BC.. 1 weapon slot, 1 tac console slot, 1 boff slot, hull, shields, total power, and whatever else i didn't think of.
Oh, and they better get the same broken.."Oops srry that was mom on the line and we just decloaked" cloak that everyone else has.
who cares .
i got the cloaking defiant and i never use it .
and the only reason the feds didn't use cloaks was the treaty of algeron with the romuleans
when the hobus star blew romulus to kingdom come the treaty should have been rendered null and void. there is no reason for feds to not use such a huge tactical advantage on their ships and if you go into the books replicator plans for cloaks and transphasic cloaks were in all starfleet ship computers but were only acessiable with admiral command authority in times of war.
The Defiant would have to be hit severely by the nerf bat in order to give it a Battle Cloak.
Scoff at less hull if you like, but try eating a salvo of torpedoes soon after you've slipped back into cloak. Losing a Tac console and also a Boff slot is also part of the experience.
I prefer my B'rel Retrofit over everything else in the game, of course, but I run a Science Captain.
Oh, and they better get the same broken.."Oops srry that was mom on the line and we just decloaked" cloak that everyone else has.
Absolutely. Where's the justice if they too don't get their own days ruined by a cloaking device that has a will of its own... apparently a very malicious will that wants to see you die every waking moment of its non-life?
The Defiant would have to be hit severely by the nerf bat in order to give it a Battle Cloak.
Scoff at less hull if you like, but try eating a salvo of torpedoes soon after you've slipped back into cloak. Losing a Tac console and also a Boff slot is also part of the experience.
I wouldn't have it any other way. 'Course I fly a Guramba these days ('cuz I'll be darned if I don't use the single most expensive C-Store ship I've yet purchased to the fullest).
A lot of this seems to be 'this is something unique that the Klingons have and should remain only ours.' If thats the case, then what does the Federation get that the Klingons will never have?
A lot of this seems to be 'this is something unique that the Klingons have and should remain only ours.' If thats the case, then what does the Federation get that the Klingons will never have?
hahaha.. who wants to start the list of what they already have that klingons do not?
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A lot of this seems to be 'this is something unique that the Klingons have and should remain only ours.' If thats the case, then what does the Federation get that the Klingons will never have?
I doubt it's true. And as a primarily Fed player, I hope it isn't.
While the treaty with the Romulans is basically null (since the Empire is shattered) and the UFP is in open war with the Klingons, I can see why Starfleet would invest in cloaking tech. HOWEVER, cloaking feels wrong for starfleet. Maybe I'm just a traditionalist, but I'd like the cloak to be a KDF trick that isn't used on Fed side.
(The 2 examples of it are "canon", but not used that often anyway. I suppose they could for "canon" reasons give the Oberth a cloak, but honestly why? lol)
For no reason at all.. Gorn sci ships have less shield and less hull than any fed sci ship... and a lousy layout imo. <funny you brought them up! :P>
I'm looking at the Varanus on the Spidermitch chart right now. Identical to the DSSV in speed, hull, weapons, consoles, and BOFF layout, plus more crew (useless as that is), and cooler looking besides. Hmm, only +10 to auxiliary instead of +15. Okay, so the special thing that the Federation gets, in exchange for slower ships and no cloak, is +5 power on our science ships. Wow, gamebreaker.
We can have yet another thread about the T-5 Connie...
But we can't talk about this in General Discussion... ???
:rolleyes:
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I'm looking at the Varanus on the Spidermitch chart right now. Identical to the DSSV in speed, hull, weapons, consoles, and BOFF layout, plus more crew (useless as that is), and cooler looking besides. Hmm, only +10 to auxiliary instead of +15. Okay, so the special thing that the Federation gets, in exchange for slower ships and no cloak, is +5 power on our science ships. Wow, gamebreaker.
I should retract what I said about "any" other sci ship... I stand corrected. However.. even still, and especially compared to other fed cstore ships, it isn't very impressive.
Has anybody let Falcon know that we all got Amnesty now?
(Or is He not interested in coming back?)
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He's back, saw him post in Heretics goddbye thread.
ah.. cool... txs for the heads-up...
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Admittedly TL:DR, but skimmed; 'shafted on story content' looks like the gist? But from a mechanical, ship-quality point of view, what can Federation ships do that Klingon ships can't, versus what can Klingon ships do that Federation ships can't?
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, and I do think the next c-store ship ought to be either a more 'normal' BoP or an attack cruiser for those that don't want the behemoth of the Bortasqu, but still want a cloaking VA cruiser. But the complaint about 'our distinctiveness' runs smack into the fact that the Federation has no distinctiveness at all. Our ships are vanilla baselines, so why should you be special when we aren't?
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This Fed says no to battle cloaks. We'll get our sneaky, underhanded tactics in original ways.
Yes. That they tend to be right more often than not
It would also be rather ironic considering that there is a datachip that gives info about how there is a presidential executive order banning federation research into cloaking technology
Which was developed in secret and illegally. That doesn't count.
Yeah, that's right.
R.I.P
In the deep dark hole know as the ship yards, where the gen pop cant see
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But some kind of Phased Cloak with a 25% to 30% Failure rate at any time, would be cool.
Can't fire while using it, but could be useful for getting out of tight spots while in battle...
...kind of an emergency escape button from a losing-battle...
(not sure how it would balance out in PvP, but with a long CD it might not be too bad.)
No warp while it's on...
Be neat to make it so one could travel through asteroids and planets while using it.
(though with a 25-30% fail-rate, one wouldn't want to stay there long.)
Turn rate could be limited like with the Slipstream Drive (though not as limited)...
Would give the opposing forces a chance to perhaps try to fire along the last known trajectory of the ship using it... maybe get a lucky shot in and disrupt the thing.
(I'm just low-balling it at this point) :biggrin:
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If they really really really really really need a Battle Cloak THAT bad, just make one of the ships that ALREADY has a standard cloak have it (and this is just me playing devil's advocate here; really I just prefer BC's stay with the Klinks, and I have toons on BOTH sides I play with, so I'm not biased either way). Don't invent for them a paper-hulled gun-laden deathtrap that doesn't fit with the Fed policy of "everybody makes it home" in the first place.
going by this line of thinking.. if all current fed cloaking ships get BC, then they need to lose as much as the BOP has lost due to it's BC.. 1 weapon slot, 1 tac console slot, 1 boff slot, hull, shields, total power, and whatever else i didn't think of.
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Oh, and they better get the same broken.."Oops srry that was mom on the line and we just decloaked" cloak that everyone else has.
Yeah, that's right.
i got the cloaking defiant and i never use it .
and the only reason the feds didn't use cloaks was the treaty of algeron with the romuleans
when the hobus star blew romulus to kingdom come the treaty should have been rendered null and void. there is no reason for feds to not use such a huge tactical advantage on their ships and if you go into the books replicator plans for cloaks and transphasic cloaks were in all starfleet ship computers but were only acessiable with admiral command authority in times of war.
Scoff at less hull if you like, but try eating a salvo of torpedoes soon after you've slipped back into cloak. Losing a Tac console and also a Boff slot is also part of the experience.
I prefer my B'rel Retrofit over everything else in the game, of course, but I run a Science Captain.
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Absolutely. Where's the justice if they too don't get their own days ruined by a cloaking device that has a will of its own... apparently a very malicious will that wants to see you die every waking moment of its non-life?
I wouldn't have it any other way. 'Course I fly a Guramba these days ('cuz I'll be darned if I don't use the single most expensive C-Store ship I've yet purchased to the fullest).
hahaha.. who wants to start the list of what they already have that klingons do not?
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I will start it...
1.) More and more powerful science ships.. < Sci ships in general lol >
Yeah, that's right.
Why content of course!
Gorn sci ships. Yes they're c-store, but I doubt any would-be Fed raider wouldn't be.
For no reason at all.. Gorn sci ships have less shield and less hull than any fed sci ship... and a lousy layout imo. <funny you brought them up! :P>
Yeah, that's right.
I did notice that it got moved to the FED shipyards.
So since the FED bop has to be better than than the Klingon one, (else it won't sell in the store) How many hanger bays do you think it will have?
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While the treaty with the Romulans is basically null (since the Empire is shattered) and the UFP is in open war with the Klingons, I can see why Starfleet would invest in cloaking tech. HOWEVER, cloaking feels wrong for starfleet. Maybe I'm just a traditionalist, but I'd like the cloak to be a KDF trick that isn't used on Fed side.
(The 2 examples of it are "canon", but not used that often anyway. I suppose they could for "canon" reasons give the Oberth a cloak, but honestly why? lol)
I'm looking at the Varanus on the Spidermitch chart right now. Identical to the DSSV in speed, hull, weapons, consoles, and BOFF layout, plus more crew (useless as that is), and cooler looking besides. Hmm, only +10 to auxiliary instead of +15. Okay, so the special thing that the Federation gets, in exchange for slower ships and no cloak, is +5 power on our science ships. Wow, gamebreaker.
We can have yet another thread about the T-5 Connie...
But we can't talk about this in General Discussion... ???
:rolleyes:
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I should retract what I said about "any" other sci ship... I stand corrected. However.. even still, and especially compared to other fed cstore ships, it isn't very impressive.
>EDIT< It appears I WAS indeed right.
Yeah, that's right.
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Has anybody let Falcon know that we all got Amnesty now?
(Or is He not interested in coming back?)
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He's back, saw him post in Heretics goddbye thread.
ah.. cool... txs for the heads-up...
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Admittedly TL:DR, but skimmed; 'shafted on story content' looks like the gist? But from a mechanical, ship-quality point of view, what can Federation ships do that Klingon ships can't, versus what can Klingon ships do that Federation ships can't?
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, and I do think the next c-store ship ought to be either a more 'normal' BoP or an attack cruiser for those that don't want the behemoth of the Bortasqu, but still want a cloaking VA cruiser. But the complaint about 'our distinctiveness' runs smack into the fact that the Federation has no distinctiveness at all. Our ships are vanilla baselines, so why should you be special when we aren't?