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In before it actually happens.
Ok ever since carriers got buffed, every federation carebear and his dog in zone chat / forums is asking for federation carrier.
Let me be the first to say NO! ::mad:
Carriers are for klingons not for federation, you want to fly a carrier you roll a Klingon.
I'm posting this because knowing cryptic based on their past performance, they will put a fed carrier in the cstore.
federation carebear wants cat race , federation carebear gets cat race
federation carebear wants klingon merc outfits , federation carebear gets klingon merc outfits
federation carebear wants pet cub , federation carebear gets pet cub
federation carebear wants more ships , federation carebear gets more ships
Klingon players wants something? like new ships? cryptics response: "oh sorry it got pushed back to season 10 ........ our team here at cryptic only caters to federation carebears.":rolleyes:
Ok ever since carriers got buffed, every federation carebear and his dog in zone chat / forums is asking for federation carrier.
Let me be the first to say NO! ::mad:
Carriers are for klingons not for federation, you want to fly a carrier you roll a Klingon.
I'm posting this because knowing cryptic based on their past performance, they will put a fed carrier in the cstore.
federation carebear wants cat race , federation carebear gets cat race
federation carebear wants klingon merc outfits , federation carebear gets klingon merc outfits
federation carebear wants pet cub , federation carebear gets pet cub
federation carebear wants more ships , federation carebear gets more ships
Klingon players wants something? like new ships? cryptics response: "oh sorry it got pushed back to season 10 ........ our team here at cryptic only caters to federation carebears.":rolleyes:
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For how long have we been waiting for some new ships ? and now it seems that the Nausician ship aint going to make it with the rest.. The only ship that sounded really awsome with some special ability.
Frustration has become a daily thing since i started playing this Federat.. i mean Star Trek Online.
I really like it on the red side. heck! my fed char is still a LC.
GO REDS !!!
Agreed, it was the only ship I was interested in, was seriously thinking about making a tactical kdf toon for it but was just waiting to see it's BO layout.
They asked for Cloak and got that, they will get Carriers regardless of how loud klinks yell
Klingons cry they want more PvE content. They get new missions.
Klingons cry they want even more PvE content. The new Weekly episodes are for both factions.
Klingons cry their ships have less console slots then Fed ships. Klingons get extra console slots.
Klingons cry someone took away the un-cloak damage buff. Klingons get un-cloak damage buff.
federation carebear cry they want Bikinis. Klingons get Orion Bikinis.
It's funny how selective perception works.
In against Federation Carriers. Carriers are stupid in Startrek. And the Federation shouldn't send its Starfleet personell into flying death traps. That's okay for the KDF, they live to die in glorious battle, maybe some Klinks prefer to go out this way rather then risk dishonoring their house with their incompetence making them unable to become the commander of a real battleship. Better a short life with a honorable death then a dishonrable life with the long death of a lowly grunt in the bowels of a giant battleship.
I'm all for each side having it's pros and cons. As long as the pros and cons are balanced, it's all good. If both sides have the same stuff, then having factions becomes somewhat pointless. It's only when one particular pro or con becomes overwhelmingly good or bad, that I start to be concerned. And carriers are neither overwhelmingly good, nor bad.
Actually I think the "No fed carrier" goes back more to the KDF being the 2nd class faction angst and the feds seeming to get all they ask for feeling, than anything else. It is hard to have a sense of uniqueness and self-identity when evrything keeps popping up on the otherside.
Dont even start with that BS.
klingons have only ever wanted equal content, and although it wont happen the thing that annoys the hell out of us is that federation content still comes out with more stuff at a faster rate even though klingon content is not even 1/5th of what federation has, cryptic continues to push out more federation content and increase the gap even further. Hence we see the excelsior and nebula come out before the Klingon ships even though feds already had intrepid refit, galaxy r refit, galaxy X and defiant refit.
Klingon exploration missions are mostly broken, you cant scan to find stuff , npcs sometimes don't spawn and the random generation is utterly fail because its not really random at all. From the first 2 seconds i warp into the map i instantly can tell what type of mission it will be. These aren't really fun to play, especially the ground parts. And feds got diplomacy missions and the fixes to crafting and the implentation of mini games on top of their already massive amount of stuff.
Besides the whole klingons cry for more PVE content wasn't really from the klingon players but the STO community in general, even before the game was out the community was up in arms over a PVP only faction.
This is just plain laziness on the part of cryptic in allowing klingons to do federation weekly episodes. The missions are identical in every way except for a walls of text. That is not klingon.
Maybe my klingon didn't ask nicely for information from the breen like a federation would do.
Maybe he went into his prison cells and beat the other two breen to death infront of tran and made him talk.
Hopefully when UGC comes out we will get some proper Klingon missions.
Game balance changes has nothing to do with content.
Point i was making is that feds get everything both in cstore and game content and not only are they not happy with what they have. They then start taking klingon stuff also like universal bo slots , cloak and merc outfits. And now they want carriers too.
As a great man once said.
Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far and no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done!
I am perfectly happy to see the Feds get a Carrier of some stripe once the Klingon content is fleshed out. It may even be a refit of an existing ship class that has the room in its shuttlebays. The Galaxy is one of those ships that has downright cavernous bays, with a capacity for 20+ shuttles, and it has even carried Runabouts. However, almost every ship class in the Federation has a shuttlebay. Even the Defiant awkwardly sported shuttles in the final seasons of DS9. Technically, these craft could be added to all Fed ships via non-expendable devices with a cooldown, though I understand the desire for a ship that better represents a dedicated craft carrier role.
Uh.... I would've liked that option after the first time I failed the question game.:p
1) The Klingons are already losing a lot of what makes them unique. We've lost cloak exclusivity (which would, admittedly, be lost when the Romulans are eventually introduced)...we've lost the universal slot with the Nebula...and all that's currently left that make us different are a measly 8 faction-specific episodes and the carriers.
2) It's not a Federation thing. They've had like ONE dedicated carrier ship, and it's in the game already...as an ESCORT. If they REALLY want a carrier, let them launch shuttlecraft. Starfleet really doesn't use fighters.
Once we (inevitably) lose the exclusive rights to carriers, Cryptic might as well just scrap the KDF as almost everything we have would be handed to the Fedrats on a silver platter.
I cried out when the Galaxy-X was introduced with a cloak because we were losing something that made us special. The Fed care bears got their new toy (and apparently aren't very happy with it based on various threads and posts). It often times feels like Federation players are spoiled children who always get what they want because they cry and whine for it...and daddy Cryptic always gives in and gives them what they want. Then they get bored with it and toss it in the garbage.
I don't know who wouldn't Orion Bikinis. Maybe female players. But they get bare-chested Orions for that.
You did.
The rate of content that is added to the game is pretty steady. There has been KDF content, there has been Fed content. The KDF will never be treated as a prefered faction getting that much more attention then the Federation side. The KDF got 8 storyline missions, both factions got 5 faction-agnostic storyline missions, and the Federation got diplomacy content (which seems to boil down to a lot of text but no more mission scripting, artwork assets or maps then was required for the 8 KDF missions.)
It's not? The space and ground combat system is not different between the factions, so all the content difference lies in those walls of text, and maybe the occassional enemy ship. (Like it is implemented in the newest episode, "Skirmish".)
In the end, the lack of ships for the KDF side can never be a reason why the Federation doesn't get a certain ship type. All that gets you is that you never get new ships because "you already got your special thing". I don't want that. Maybe Carriers are cool these days, but I want more ship costumes, more materials, more ship types for the KDF. Whether the Feds ever get Carriers or not is irrelevant to me and should be irrelevant to Cryptic for the decision to add more KDF ships.
Wow some klinks just cant stop *****ing. Devs have already said they wont be releasing a carrier for the federation.
And how many promises has Cryptic made that they decide to change their minds on? We have a right to " ***** ".
EDIT: I mean for the game in general. It's just that the Klingons feel it the most.
LOL we get ONE..>ONE MEASLY universal BO slot and look at the stink it raises. Where as your BOP gets all universal BO slots. I can take one hegh'tah BOP and set it up properly and pretty much walk over any fed escort currently in existence and even give their cruisers a run for the money or even kill them on the odd ocassion. Also show me a fed ship that has 2 X LTC bo slots, 1X LT BO slot and 1 Commander BO slot. I ask you, wheres the balance in this?
Now we get the (easy button) carriers all buffed up and all you klinks can do instead of thanking cryptic is call them names. :rolleyes:
This is why i pretty much wrote off my two KDF toons, one a LG1 and another a LTC...
I call this "Snowflake Syndrome".
You need to toughen up, son. The Galaxy X is a terrible ship. Giving it a cloak was the equivalent of giving a one legged dog a ball to play with and then throwing it and yelling, "Fetch!" The Defiant without a cloak just wouldn't be a Defiant. It's not like it's a battle-cloak ffs. And seriously? You're going to complain about the Nebula getting one universal lieutenant slot? Seriously? Have you tried the Nebula?
I don't really care what you call it, although I do thank you for not calling me an "elitist". Frankly, as long as Klingons continue to get support I really couldn't care less if the Feds get a carrier. They shouldn't (for the reasons that I gave), but I won't be crying foul if (when) they do. As for the universal slot, I was neither for nor against it, but I know that some Klingon players didn't like it.
The cloak, however, I still feel should've remained Klingon-only (at least until the Romulans enter play). As for the Defiant, it has been argued to death. Only ONE Defiant-class ship ever held a cloak, and that was only with Romulan supervision.
As war rages against the Klingon Empire, and constant battles emerge with the Romulans, it would be ludicrous for the Feds to ignore cloaking technology. The *singular* incentive for them to refrain from cloaking was as a political agreement to ensure peace. When peace dies, that incentive dies with it. The Feds have had a working Romulan cloaking device since TOS, they studied a working Klingon cloakable ship in TMP timeline, they built a cloaking Oberth in TNG timeline, and they borrowed a second Romulan cloak in the DS9 timeline. There is certainly no technical impediment to cloaking, and the political arguments for not cloaking are now asinine. The only reason for the Feds not to cloak is because they choose not to, in favor of some other technology. I'm very pleased to see them experimenting with cloaks on two of their ships, as such experimentation is logical, and the lack of such experimentation would be inexplicable.
On the issue of the Carrier being a 'unique' Klingon experience:
If you are using the Carrier to define the Klingon experience, you are doing it wrong.
If you are using the lack of a Carrier to define the Fed experience, you are doing it wrong.
As of TNG/DS9, it is hard to find any technology that truly defines a culture's development. The closest thing is probably the singularity power core of Romulan ships. Even phasers, once an exclusive Fed weapon, is found in 'enemy' race's arsenals. Plasma torpedoes, the defining tech of the Romulans, were used by the Cardassians on DS9. Your technology doesn't define you anymore. It's time to dig deeper for a sense of self.
You can only call in 1 wing of 5 fighters, and it would have like a 1 min cooldown. So we would have fighters, but not carriers, which are better.
NO to Fed Carriers
I also believe that Starfleet should not be able to command carriers and that carriers should be unique to the KDF.
your still talking about the 8 missions out of 51 levels right ?, and they are pretty much the only missions other then the nebula which is the same mission, same layout, diffrent enemy skins
well yea and i am gratefull, and to be honest thats only been recent
when did this happen, i never got any extra slots
well if somebody took away your ball you would want it back to right ?
your kidding right
Was merely curiuos. I have heard others say it was removed and yet I had no memory of any Dev saying so. I beleive the (claok attack) bonus is still ingame.
I believe that the Akira was a carrier, but it's already in the game. The ONLY way that the Federation should be allowed a carrier is if they refit the Akira as one. I'm not sure that it would go down well with escort fans, though.
Sometimes you've just got to play the devil's advocate, even if it goes against what you believe in.
Yes. Carriers should only be implemented if they're cannon ships.
Out of curiosity... which episodes did they draw the Vo'Quv and the Kar'Fi from? I'd like to watch those ones again and see a lot of klingon fighters in action. I mean, I remember seeing Fed fighters getting screen time in the DS9 epsiode Sacrifice of Angels, but it'd be nice to see the other side of the coin.
Then there would be no carriers in STO at all. While there were Starfleet fighters, never once has a ship been shown on screen as a carrier.
The only place the Akira is mentioned as a Carrier is in an interview, not on screen.
Now to address the question at hand, should the Federation get Carriers. The only way to answer that is to ask what kind of game you want. Do you want a game that is symmetrical or do not? Personally no I do not want something where each side is a cookie cutter of the other with different skins. And while this is simply my opinion, I think asking for the same exact things that the other faction has is idiotic.
Do Klingons want some of the things the Feds have? Yes, but we don't want them to be cookie cutters. We want a Science ship (and we are getting one it appears), but never have we asked for one that is exactly like the Feds, I'd actually prefer that we get one that is vastly different, but I'm not sure the devs are up to that challenge.
We want more PvE, but we don't want the Fed missions, we want Klingon focused missions, sadly the conversion of one of the Fed sectors for Klingon patrol missions is taking place and while the new content is welcomed, I worry it will further muddy the waters.
We want an alternative advancement system. It should be similar to, but different from the diplomatic corps. In fact, I think the one thing that is a total must to keep these factions different enough is the introduction of a House system for the Klingons.
Let us look at the things that were supposed to be Klingon only and have been added to the Federation side. First was FvF pvp. KvK was supposed to be a KDF exclusive and as I warned during beta it would not work nor would it last. Cloak can be argued as another thing, though the devs always hinted it was a possibility for the Feds to get it. How about Gorn, Orion, Nausicaan BO's? These were supposed to be species exclusives for the KDF, to make matters worse there are rumors that said BO's will be able to be turned into player Capt. in the near future. Universal BO slots, every time someone complained about the poor shield/hull stats on a BoP or the fact that they are short on total BO skills, they were always told it was the price paid for having universal BO slot, but not only did the Feds get the only other ship in the game with one of them, but they also did not have to pay a similar price in shield/hull HP nor in total BO skills available.
Now we are back to Feds asking/demanding Carriers to. Sadly, all of this pandering is shortsighted. They Devs repeatedly say that the KDF is underdeveloped because it is under populated. One cannot help but scratch their head that the circular logic that is being applied here. If you make a faction that has certain differences built into it from its rival faction, with the intention that these differences will help promote players to play said faction it is irrational to give these things to the rival faction, unless your ultimate goal is a one faction game. Yet it has been stated that not only do they intend to keep the two faction game, but they hope to expand to three within a year.
Solid logic QTF.