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My name is Threather, I haven't posted on the forums in a long time. Every time I check up on the progress of the game, I am very disappointed. Usually, there are discussions on adding certain things, new episodes; finishing the game and bringing it to the state it should have been in at release. These discussions are okay; but I am wondering when we will be talking about making the game an actual MMORPG. There is so much instanced content, it doesn't even feel like a persistent world. Let me correct myself, this game is not a persistent world.
But the thing that makes me angry the most is the C-Store. At first, I was not opposed to the C-Store. This was because the C-Store didn't seem to have many things in it, and it wasn't that big of a deal. But then they started added significant, new content to the C-Store. Content that should have been in the game pre-release, content that should not cost extra money.
I say this as a guy who dumped $500 into the game in the form of two box purchases and two lifetime subscriptions. The people who are subscribed to this game have already paid $50 for a box, and $15 for every month they remained subscribed. The amount of content that is hitting the C-Store is sickening when you look at the money players have already poured into the game. There is a lot of new content in this game since I stopped playing; but a lot of the stuff I am interested in getting is only available in the C-Store. I purchased a lifetime subscription so I wouldn't be nickeled and dime'd. Subscription players pay a subscription for this game so they can get new content and stable servers without having to buy into a micro-transaction store.
After I played Star Trek Online, I was very agitated. I felt let down, very disappointed and just plain angry. My wife stopped playing even before I did; and she is relatively easy to entertain. I quit the game because I realized that it wasn't even a Real MMORPG. Star Trek Online is in the same format as Guild Wars 2. Instanced play areas with semi-persistent common areas. The only difference is that STOs common areas are smaller than GW2's. Wait, I'm sorry; that isn't the only difference. The real difference is the fact that Guild Wars 2 won't have a subscription.
So, when you take a look at Star Trek Online, its pay options, and then its competition, we see that there is a serious problem. I logged in to check up on the game today for the first time in about a month or two.
The first thing I saw was an advertisement for tribbles on the C-Store. How insulting. How can anyone subscribed to this game stand for this kind of abuse? It just doesn't make any sense.
But the thing that makes me angry the most is the C-Store. At first, I was not opposed to the C-Store. This was because the C-Store didn't seem to have many things in it, and it wasn't that big of a deal. But then they started added significant, new content to the C-Store. Content that should have been in the game pre-release, content that should not cost extra money.
I say this as a guy who dumped $500 into the game in the form of two box purchases and two lifetime subscriptions. The people who are subscribed to this game have already paid $50 for a box, and $15 for every month they remained subscribed. The amount of content that is hitting the C-Store is sickening when you look at the money players have already poured into the game. There is a lot of new content in this game since I stopped playing; but a lot of the stuff I am interested in getting is only available in the C-Store. I purchased a lifetime subscription so I wouldn't be nickeled and dime'd. Subscription players pay a subscription for this game so they can get new content and stable servers without having to buy into a micro-transaction store.
After I played Star Trek Online, I was very agitated. I felt let down, very disappointed and just plain angry. My wife stopped playing even before I did; and she is relatively easy to entertain. I quit the game because I realized that it wasn't even a Real MMORPG. Star Trek Online is in the same format as Guild Wars 2. Instanced play areas with semi-persistent common areas. The only difference is that STOs common areas are smaller than GW2's. Wait, I'm sorry; that isn't the only difference. The real difference is the fact that Guild Wars 2 won't have a subscription.
So, when you take a look at Star Trek Online, its pay options, and then its competition, we see that there is a serious problem. I logged in to check up on the game today for the first time in about a month or two.
The first thing I saw was an advertisement for tribbles on the C-Store. How insulting. How can anyone subscribed to this game stand for this kind of abuse? It just doesn't make any sense.
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As for how the game should have been at release. This is not a new argument. What do you expect when a company is given 2 years to produce an MMO? It's not going to be the level Wow is right now. No game can be. I think given the amount of time Cryptic had to release the game they did pretty damn good with it. I have seen some games have a lot more issues at release than STO did.
Call me a fanboy or what you want. I feel STO is headed in the right direction. As for you not being happy with it I am sorry. Not everyone can be pleased all the time. Maybe you should have waited to spend "$500" until after you played the game. If you spent it after trying it then you have no reason to complain. But then agaiin spending that much on a game before trying it isn't the wisest thing to do.
Therefore, No. That is all.
Respectfully, it would a "money grab" only if they were requiring you to pay to access necessary in-game components. ("Grab" implies "unwillingly taken") In this case, since nobody's required to buy ANYthing from the C-store, it's far from a "grab".
While I disagree with the OP's opinion, I respect that it iS his opinion... I'm sorry that he doesn't like the game, but I respect that he concurs that the game has improved.
That being said, just because he doesn't like the optional store, I don't see why he should petition that it should be removed from those of us who ARE willing to pay <$5 for optional uniforms, optional tribbles, optional bridges, etc.
Again, the key word is "optional." Nobody is required to buy ANYthing from the C-store, particularly when the actual weekly mission content, updates and season updates are all free.
Except the Borg BO that offers the space combat bonus ...
The Tribbles that offer buffs ... (which are the ONLY way Klingons can get buffs of that nature)
The Excelsior that offers a BO setup unique to the game ...
And hopefully the Anti-Cloak PVP winning tech of the Nebula very soon.
Can get uncommon Saurian Boffs and maybe the KA Borg BO that has the same bonus. Difficult or expensive, but it is an option without paying real money.
Can buy tribbles from the exchange or breed them that are as good as C-store tribbles and obtain most c-store tribbles by playing on the Test server. Besides Klingons should not have tribbles, but targs and other vicious animals. Orions are allowed to have tribbles.
Will be able to obtain these through the game just like the refits if they are not available already.
True for Klingons, Feds have uncommon Saurians. But I don't think the +1 to a few systems has won any battles yet. Still, there should be more efficient BO's in the game for both sides.
The only Tribbles that offer their buffs to Klingons are those you could also get from the test server. The pre-order Tribble doesn't.
True, they should release a T5 heavy cruiser retrofit for energy credits, yesterday.
That will probably be available in game but very expensive so it makes sense to buy it in the C-Store. It's not really optimal....
....but in the end none of this is needed to play the game. We'll see about the Nebula, how good the detection is, how long the cooldown etc. I hope it won't be too much of an advantage on the Fed side of PvP battles.
The c store has hurt cryptic more than they realise , I know tons n tons who are leaving when kotor is out because of the money pinching.
Seriously? Is it really that difficult to grasp that MMO's have seen a 300% return (not exaggerating) from micro transaactions, and be perplexed at their role in todays MMO market? It's not changing dude. Nothing you say or do or protest will change it. Learn to live with it, it could be MUCH worse.
KA Borg does not have efficient trait.
Klingons can not.
The T5 excelsior can not be obtained anywhere else but the C-Store.
Please close the c-store
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Please shoot yourself in the foot.
If you believe other wise... They have a C-Store for you
No offense but the items mentioned give a gameplay advantage. A real in-game advantage that you acquire for paying RL money. That's more than flavor. That's gameplay advantage. If you believe otherwise ... there are some games out there that are F2P with MT's being the primary advancement resource that I think you ought to try.
Why should Klingons have tribbles? Tribbles are the greatest enemy that the Klingons have. There are very few races that the Klingons have used orbital bombardment on. The fact that the test server tribbles are available is pushing it.
A Targ breeding feature would be a more appropriate idea than allowing Klingons to have tribbles. There should be Targ of Borg, Fluidic Space Targ, Chilled Targ, Photonic Targ, and others.
It's not the tribbles that matter. It's the buff. Which has an affect on gameplay. And the only source of this buff for klingons is ... the c-store tribbles.
Does not exist. The one in-game targ is a pet that follows you around. And that's it. There are no targ buffs. At all.
The only way a klingon can get this buff is through using the tribbles that are now only available through the c-store.
The point of my post is that you and I are paying for continued development. However, that continued development is going towards things that get placed in the micro-transaction store. So, my subscription fee is meant for server maintenance and continued development. Since Star Trek Online isn't a true MMORPG in any sense of the word; the money for server maintenance isn't as high the game's competition. So, in short, if I want to reap the benefits of my subscription fees, I have to pay the fee; then buy what they spent my fee on in their micro-transaction store.
In other words, I have to pay Cryptic twice for new content. Even if the items are not necessary, those items provide for a more enjoyable play experience. They also required money from subscriptions to develop. Considering that I have already paid for the new content, I think it is fair to suggest that I shouldn't have to pay for it again.
Again: if you enjoy the game, the cstore is at worst a minor irritation. If you don't enjoy the game, the cstore is irrelevant to your central problem. Blaming lack of enjoyment on the cstore is at best misleading.
This is where I disagree. The C-Store is getting to be a bigger and bigger problem ... if you do enjoy the game. The more features they offer for sale in the c-store that have in-game impact, the more of a problem it becomes.
As already mentioned ... the only way Klingons can get buffs are ... from Tribbles (which they shouldn't get due to the story, but it'd be even more unfair if they had ZERO access to the buffs) ... and tribbles that they have to purchase for RL money.
The Nebula will be the next step down this path. Oh, there'll be an in-game way to obtain this. But if it's 500 emblems ... well, that'll just be the icing on the cake. The C-Store becomes the focal point for game changing development? If you hate the game, that's not a problem. You already hate the game. If you enjoy the game, you're getting the shaft, because you have to keep pace with the game's evolution through microtransactions. Not exactly what anyone signed up for.
in a way, I kind of agree. The C store should be for frivolous personalizing items like those in D and D's store, not important stuff like the capability of playing as a Caitian or adding a Borg BO.
Ehm ... first of all races like joined trill or ferengi or others in the c-store are totaly more then costumes. and a game that has a sub don't realy need a c-store to get money ! and most of all what free stuff has cryptic given us (weekly missions) thats about it all the rest came thru the c-store what cost extra.
personally i don't care about the c-store yet! but i do feel like i have to keep paying for this game even wen i'm a lifer.
BO's, Tribbles that give extra stats, Ships, New races with special stats ... frankly C-Store is full of things that give you more over someone that totally don't buy stuff of C-Store.
yep true count me in, wen Star Wars hits i'm gone and i know as lifer i realy can't quit this game but trust me i'll probably never play it again. "things may change as i don't know what cryptic will do in the future so who knows things might get better".
C-store is fine as long as the cost is low and the things in it are cosmetics only like Costumes or ship skins.
and i'm still ok with things added in C-Store that allso can be optaind ingame in a normal way like the new retrofit ships, you can buy em with badges so i'm totally ok with that.
Cryptic offered everyone a chance to get the tribbles you are talking about by playing on the test server. A lot of people did not play on the test server and have been complaining that they want the tribble so cryptic put the tribble in the c-store.
Did you play during the weekend when they were offering the tribble? Your complaint doesnt hold up because they are providing a serves to people who were not willing to play on the test server during that time period.
People cant argue that they were unable to play during that time because of obligations. The test period was all weekend long so time could have been made and if you were not able to play during the test they at least gave another avenue for receiving the tribbles.
Won't be the first time or the last time that Klingons are lagging behind the Feds. Heard another suggestion where Klingons feed tribbles to Targs and the Targ gets the tribble's bonus.
No, it isn't. To use old RPG terms, content is what we call "crunch". New rules, new stories, something really, legitimately new. A new skin for your ship, or a new outfit for your captain is "fluff". Nice, but ultimately meaningless to how the game is actually played.
Most of the races in the C-store are supposed to be rare, or are otherwise inappropriate for mass playability in Starfleet. The exception to this would be the Tellarites, but that's not really here or there. The rest are supposed to be very limited. By putting them in the store, you allow people the option to make one of they really want to, but it's obviously meant as a discouragement. A compromise between canon and allowing people to make the characters that they really want.