Tac slot or not, bottom line is that the Excelsior is a superior boat to just about anything the Klingons can muster, and will be superior to anything not purchased outside the C-store, thus making it important, and give Excelsior captains an edge in PVP.
This is something almost all MMO's strive to avoid- unbalancing inter-player combat in favor of those who spend more money. It's insulting to players in a free to play game, but understandable in order to generate revenues.
In a fee per month game though, priced the same as any other MMO, its inexcusable.
lol no its not, its a kiddy safe version of the Neg'va with added TW abilites. Trust me, i fly a Neg'va and i've bought the Excelsior, ive spent a few hours pvping in it and its nearly but not quite the same as the Neg'va
Irrelevant. The tier 5 version has stats that are not available in the game otherwise. That is a gameplay-affecting feature avaialble only in the C-store, and that is breaking a promise made when they were selling lifetime subs.
Those of you who do not understand the truth of this statement, have a lot of reading to do. If you don't feel like doing a lot of reading, then you must trust old Uncle Pariahterra. QFT
Those of you who do not understand the truth of this statement, have a lot of reading to do. If you don't feel like doing a lot of reading, then you must trust old Uncle Pariahterra. QFT
sigh, its no better than the Soverign which is a freely available ship. I've flown both in PvP and trust me if anything its slightly worse, the only advantage to it is you get the Trans Warp Abilities, which again are fluff.
And if you are sad enough to spit your dummy and quit over a ship then i say good riddance. We dont want no wishy washy namby pamby players here. Grow up or leave.
sigh, its no better than the Soverign which is a freely available ship. I've flown both in PvP and trust me if anything its slightly worse, the only advantage to it is you get the Trans Warp Abilities, which again are fluff.
And if you are sad enough to spit your dummy and quit over a ship then i say good riddance. We dont want no wishy washy namby pamby players here. Grow up or leave.
Aren't you a lifer? isn't the entire basis of your investment built upon the idea that people will keep subscribing monthly?
If people don't, then you don't have a game or you pay for exclusively through the C-Store.
sigh, its no better than the Soverign which is a freely available ship. I've flown both in PvP and trust me if anything its slightly worse, the only advantage to it is you get the Trans Warp Abilities, which again are fluff.
And if you are sad enough to spit your dummy and quit over a ship then i say good riddance. We dont want no wishy washy namby pamby players here. Grow up or leave.
Well it sounds like someone else needs to shut their food hole. Read the OP I used the word "May" learn to read my friend. You say I should leave and "good riddance." I say anyone who Say's "good riddance." To someone who loves Star Trek and is just trying to look out for his fellow fan and the game in general
Aren't you a lifer? isn't the entire basis of your investment built upon the idea that people will keep subscribing monthly?
If people don't, then you don't have a game or you pay for exclusively through the C-Store.
The entire basis of my investment is that i don't like paying monthly subscriptions and I'd rather pay them up front, plus I liked the perks that came with it.
Besides how the hell did you turn this into a Lifer vs Reg sub argument!!? What has that got to do with anything?
The C-store is for optional fluff, the ship is optional fluff, its no better than the existing same tier ships AND for those who like the "skin" Cryptic have but it in the game for free at an earlier level too!
Just because i chose to pay my subs in one lump sum rather than spread it out means nothing in this argument.
Jeez if you can put together a coherent argument then just don't bother!
Well it sounds like someone else needs to shut their food hole. Read the OP I used the word "May" learn to read my friend. You say I should leave and "good riddance." I say anyone who Say's "good riddance." To someone who loves Star Trek and is just trying to look out for his fellow fan and the game in general
Ah but what if the person saying "good riddance" is also someone who loves Star Trek and is just trying to protect his fellow fan and the game in general from whiny muppets who spit their dummies out of their pram because they cant have the new toy on the market for free!
You are getting what you pay your monthly sub for, if you want more then you should expect to pay for more, no ones game will suffer by not having the Excelsior, and no one will be given an advantage by buying it. Its purely optional. So I work hard for that crappy wage that i get at the end of the month, what little extra i have left after rent and bills i use to treat myself, and i decided to treat myself to the Excelsior, but you want it given to you for free!! Why? What makes you so special?
Actually you have made my mind up for me, thank you, im gonna call my lovely new shiny Excelsior the "USS Pariahterra" Thanks, oh and just because the last line in your rant had me laughing so hard let me say that anyone expecting to get something extra for free is an idiot and should go "strait" to the devil.
Ah but what if the person saying "good riddance" is also someone who loves Star Trek and is just trying to protect his fellow fan and the game in general from whiny muppets who spit their dummies out of their pram because they cant have the new toy on the market for free!
You are getting what you pay your monthly sub for, if you want more then you should expect to pay for more, no ones game will suffer by not having the Excelsior, and no one will be given an advantage by buying it. Its purely optional. So I work hard for that crappy wage that i get at the end of the month, what little extra i have left after rent and bills i use to treat myself, and i decided to treat myself to the Excelsior, but you want it given to you for free!! Why? What makes you so special?
Actually you have made my mind up for me, thank you, im gonna call my lovely new shiny Excelsior the "USS Pariahterra" Thanks, oh and just because the last line in your rant had me laughing so hard let me say that anyone expecting to get something extra for free is an idiot and should go "strait" to the devil.
Don't you dare name your ship the Pariahterra. My L/C is the Pariahterra. On a different note, I feel like the biggest piece of waste today. I broke down and bought the Excelsior. Call me a hypocrite call me weak, I just had to have it.
You are getting what you pay your monthly sub for, if you want more then you should expect to pay for more, no ones game will suffer by not having the Excelsior, and no one will be given an advantage by buying it. Its purely optional. So I work hard for that crappy wage that i get at the end of the month, what little extra i have left after rent and bills i use to treat myself, and i decided to treat myself to the Excelsior, but you want it given to you for free!! Why? What makes you so special?
When Cryptic was selling lifetime subs to the game, they were promising that no items that affected gameplay would be put in the C-store.
That the Excelsior affects gameplay is patently obvious and the powers that are going to be sold on the Nebula will handily cross the line into balance-breaking.
Not even a year in and the promise is broken. If they hadn't made those promises, I wouldn't have invested... that's the problem.
This whole C-Store business is a good example of the Overton Window.
If Blizzard had made pieces of endgame gear available exclusively as microtransactions (on top of a monthly fee) way back in 2004, MMOs would have died out.
Don't you dare name your ship the Pariahterra. My L/C is the Pariahterra. On a different note, I feel like the biggest piece of waste today. I broke down and bought the Excelsior. Call me a hypocrite call me weak, I just had to have it.
hahahahaha
That has got to be the funniest (but true) statement I've heard in a long time.
+1 to this guy.
His proverbial straw has now turned into a proverbial $$$$ ATM machine. This is the best post beats the forums lol
When Cryptic was selling lifetime subs to the game, they were promising that no items that affected gameplay would be put in the C-store.
That the Excelsior affects gameplay is patently obvious and the powers that are going to be sold on the Nebula will handily cross the line into balance-breaking.
Not even a year in and the promise is broken. If they hadn't made those promises, I wouldn't have invested... that's the problem.
QFT: Squid, is right. Shame, shame, shame on Cryptic. If you can't trust Cryptic with the little things how can you trust them with the big things?
I gotta be honest, read some of my posts and you will see I am so far from a fanboi.... Yet in this specific case... What Cryptic did was TOTALLY acceptable.
Here is the thought. You got a brand new ship ingame, be it tier 3, you still got it. Did the Feds need more, no. But they gave you it, and for a little more, they even sold a tier 5 so you could skin up at the higher levels and enjoy. All in all, they gave you something for nothing. And the tweaked one, which is nice, I own it and fly it for fun because I like the look, had some other benefits.
Honestly, they could have just given you the tier 3 Excelsior and remodeled the whole thing to be the Powerpointsior (bad pun I know) and made it a different look and made it tier 5. But they DID listen to the requests of the forums and made the one that cost money the refit.
Simply, they did alright in this situation. (withholding all the Klingon drama it's causing, I admit they did listen to the Fed base pretty clearly on this).
So, you pay for the unique one for endgame, or you go make another character and get it for Tier 3, or even take the tier 3 and use it at endgame. It's all up to you, aside from the Lt. Commander tactical officer with a better turning rate, this thing isn't game changing. It still blows up just fine in PvP.... and with a difficulty slider, does it really matter how it handles in PvE?
Irrelevant. The tier 5 version has stats that are not available in the game otherwise. That is a gameplay-affecting feature avaialble only in the C-store, and that is breaking a promise made when they were selling lifetime subs.
Just FYI. This is already true with the new C-Store races. I guess ground traits are irrelevant in this game, unlike Lt.Cmdr slots, so people only notice now.
So, you pay for the unique one for endgame, or you go make another character and get it for Tier 3, or even take the tier 3 and use it at endgame. It's all up to you, aside from the Lt. Commander tactical officer with a better turning rate, this thing isn't game changing. It still blows up just fine in PvP.... and with a difficulty slider, does it really matter how it handles in PvE?
The endgame one has unique abilities that alter gameplay.
I would not have cared a bit if the Excelsior skins were all C-store only... if there wasn't the assosciated unique functionality.
Just FYI. This is already true with the new C-Store races. I guess ground traits are irrelevant in this game, unlike Lt.Cmdr slots, so people only notice now.
Which I've been pointing out for ages...:rolleyes:
And this, too. Exchanging Lt. and Lt.Cmdr Slots on a ship is almost and virtually no game change.
Aside from sitting near the top of the list of things that mechanically differentiate different ships, of course.
And the weasel words weren't always used, especially in the major pre-launch threads where people brought up objections and Cryptic offered (hollow, obviously) blandishments. Of course, dstahl is now on record saying that what was said back then doesn't matter anyway, so... yeah. Now it's just obvious they don't care.
Aside from sitting near the top of the list of things that mechanically differentiate different ships, of course.
Mechanically differentiating, yes. But is one slot-switch more than almost and virtually?
Maybe it is. But was it the plan to do so? Sometimes the game designers know less about their own game then their players. Probably because the players play it all the time, while the desigenrs have to programm stuff.
Heck, I'd say that even every other variation of BO layouts would have been less notable - can one really say, for example, that a Star Cruiser would be better off trading TSS3 or HE3 with ET3? Or that a Fleet Escort would be better off with a Lt.Cmdr Engineer instead of a Lt.Cmdr Tactical?
Don't you dare name your ship the Pariahterra. My L/C is the Pariahterra. On a different note, I feel like the biggest piece of waste today. I broke down and bought the Excelsior. Call me a hypocrite call me weak, I just had to have it.
This post is classic. See, pony up the bucks for the C-Store or shut it!
Aren't you so much less stressed than coming to the forums crying about it? Was it really a budget-buster?
When Cryptic was selling lifetime subs to the game, they were promising that no items that affected gameplay would be put in the C-store.
That the Excelsior affects gameplay is patently obvious and the powers that are going to be sold on the Nebula will handily cross the line into balance-breaking.
Not even a year in and the promise is broken. If they hadn't made those promises, I wouldn't have invested... that's the problem.
It all started when they put up specific race abilities...then they brought in the pre-order items...then the Gal-X...T5 Excelsior...yes, next is the Nebula. A lot of these items have some form of game-enhancing abilities that cannot be found elsewhere. The slippery slope just keeps getting slippier with each new item being sold.
Personally, I don't think that the Excelsior should have even been considered as anything OTHER than a T3 ship, but that's just me. I shudder to think what other outdated ships they decide to make into a supership.
Personally, I don't think that the Excelsior should have even been considered as anything OTHER than a T3 ship, but that's just me.
I think it was way more than just you. I remember a ton of posts asking for the Excelsior to be a T3 skin. To replace the 4 nacelled ships. Post after post. So many posters wanted it to be T3.
I don't recall any posts asking for it to be a T5 C-Store item that replaced the Assault Cruiser.
Like someone said the Excelsior skin does not bother me being on the C Store since I can access it on a lower tier (where it should be). However the slot variance and special abilities should not be part of the C Store in any shape or form unless the game goes F2P and you need to pay to breathe. The game cannot afford for another year minimum to charge extra for anything when its already maxed its "good will" overdraft.
I for one am completely disgusted they forgot about making those specific C Store items earnable by emblems to at least retain a degree of descency. The way I see it it will give at least a long term goal for people that see none playing this game.
I'm still in favor of them adding a Heavy Cruiser Retrofit (Cheyenne, Dakota and Stargazer classes) with the same turn rate and BO layout at T5 that you can get as a vice admiral refit. That way you could get what supposedly makes the Excelsior that much better than everything else ingame.
And again for all those who claim that the Excelsior is better than the Sovereign: It gets drawbacks for every benefit except the non-combat transwarp drive. So if the Sovereign isn't assault enough for you anymore use a Dervish. Same trade-off, just more massive.:D
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lol no its not, its a kiddy safe version of the Neg'va with added TW abilites. Trust me, i fly a Neg'va and i've bought the Excelsior, ive spent a few hours pvping in it and its nearly but not quite the same as the Neg'va
Those of you who do not understand the truth of this statement, have a lot of reading to do. If you don't feel like doing a lot of reading, then you must trust old Uncle Pariahterra. QFT
sigh, its no better than the Soverign which is a freely available ship. I've flown both in PvP and trust me if anything its slightly worse, the only advantage to it is you get the Trans Warp Abilities, which again are fluff.
And if you are sad enough to spit your dummy and quit over a ship then i say good riddance. We dont want no wishy washy namby pamby players here. Grow up or leave.
Aren't you a lifer? isn't the entire basis of your investment built upon the idea that people will keep subscribing monthly?
If people don't, then you don't have a game or you pay for exclusively through the C-Store.
Ok....really?
Are you accusing this guy of having a hidden agenda?
Well it sounds like someone else needs to shut their food hole. Read the OP I used the word "May" learn to read my friend. You say I should leave and "good riddance." I say anyone who Say's "good riddance." To someone who loves Star Trek and is just trying to look out for his fellow fan and the game in general
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The entire basis of my investment is that i don't like paying monthly subscriptions and I'd rather pay them up front, plus I liked the perks that came with it.
Besides how the hell did you turn this into a Lifer vs Reg sub argument!!? What has that got to do with anything?
The C-store is for optional fluff, the ship is optional fluff, its no better than the existing same tier ships AND for those who like the "skin" Cryptic have but it in the game for free at an earlier level too!
Just because i chose to pay my subs in one lump sum rather than spread it out means nothing in this argument.
Jeez if you can put together a coherent argument then just don't bother!
Ah but what if the person saying "good riddance" is also someone who loves Star Trek and is just trying to protect his fellow fan and the game in general from whiny muppets who spit their dummies out of their pram because they cant have the new toy on the market for free!
You are getting what you pay your monthly sub for, if you want more then you should expect to pay for more, no ones game will suffer by not having the Excelsior, and no one will be given an advantage by buying it. Its purely optional. So I work hard for that crappy wage that i get at the end of the month, what little extra i have left after rent and bills i use to treat myself, and i decided to treat myself to the Excelsior, but you want it given to you for free!! Why? What makes you so special?
Actually you have made my mind up for me, thank you, im gonna call my lovely new shiny Excelsior the "USS Pariahterra" Thanks, oh and just because the last line in your rant had me laughing so hard let me say that anyone expecting to get something extra for free is an idiot and should go "strait" to the devil.
Don't you dare name your ship the Pariahterra. My L/C is the Pariahterra. On a different note, I feel like the biggest piece of waste today. I broke down and bought the Excelsior. Call me a hypocrite call me weak, I just had to have it.
When Cryptic was selling lifetime subs to the game, they were promising that no items that affected gameplay would be put in the C-store.
That the Excelsior affects gameplay is patently obvious and the powers that are going to be sold on the Nebula will handily cross the line into balance-breaking.
Not even a year in and the promise is broken. If they hadn't made those promises, I wouldn't have invested... that's the problem.
If Blizzard had made pieces of endgame gear available exclusively as microtransactions (on top of a monthly fee) way back in 2004, MMOs would have died out.
hahahahaha
That has got to be the funniest (but true) statement I've heard in a long time.
+1 to this guy.
His proverbial straw has now turned into a proverbial $$$$ ATM machine. This is the best post beats the forums lol
QFT: Squid, is right. Shame, shame, shame on Cryptic. If you can't trust Cryptic with the little things how can you trust them with the big things?
Here is the thought. You got a brand new ship ingame, be it tier 3, you still got it. Did the Feds need more, no. But they gave you it, and for a little more, they even sold a tier 5 so you could skin up at the higher levels and enjoy. All in all, they gave you something for nothing. And the tweaked one, which is nice, I own it and fly it for fun because I like the look, had some other benefits.
Honestly, they could have just given you the tier 3 Excelsior and remodeled the whole thing to be the Powerpointsior (bad pun I know) and made it a different look and made it tier 5. But they DID listen to the requests of the forums and made the one that cost money the refit.
Simply, they did alright in this situation. (withholding all the Klingon drama it's causing, I admit they did listen to the Fed base pretty clearly on this).
So, you pay for the unique one for endgame, or you go make another character and get it for Tier 3, or even take the tier 3 and use it at endgame. It's all up to you, aside from the Lt. Commander tactical officer with a better turning rate, this thing isn't game changing. It still blows up just fine in PvP.... and with a difficulty slider, does it really matter how it handles in PvE?
Just FYI. This is already true with the new C-Store races. I guess ground traits are irrelevant in this game, unlike Lt.Cmdr slots, so people only notice now.
The endgame one has unique abilities that alter gameplay.
I would not have cared a bit if the Excelsior skins were all C-store only... if there wasn't the assosciated unique functionality.
Which I've been pointing out for ages...:rolleyes:
Aside from sitting near the top of the list of things that mechanically differentiate different ships, of course.
And the weasel words weren't always used, especially in the major pre-launch threads where people brought up objections and Cryptic offered (hollow, obviously) blandishments. Of course, dstahl is now on record saying that what was said back then doesn't matter anyway, so... yeah. Now it's just obvious they don't care.
Maybe it is. But was it the plan to do so? Sometimes the game designers know less about their own game then their players. Probably because the players play it all the time, while the desigenrs have to programm stuff.
Heck, I'd say that even every other variation of BO layouts would have been less notable - can one really say, for example, that a Star Cruiser would be better off trading TSS3 or HE3 with ET3? Or that a Fleet Escort would be better off with a Lt.Cmdr Engineer instead of a Lt.Cmdr Tactical?
This post is classic. See, pony up the bucks for the C-Store or shut it!
Aren't you so much less stressed than coming to the forums crying about it? Was it really a budget-buster?
Don't mock his Proverbial Last Straw!! Which has turned itself into a proverbial credit card!
/joking
It all started when they put up specific race abilities...then they brought in the pre-order items...then the Gal-X...T5 Excelsior...yes, next is the Nebula. A lot of these items have some form of game-enhancing abilities that cannot be found elsewhere. The slippery slope just keeps getting slippier with each new item being sold.
Personally, I don't think that the Excelsior should have even been considered as anything OTHER than a T3 ship, but that's just me. I shudder to think what other outdated ships they decide to make into a supership.
I think it was way more than just you. I remember a ton of posts asking for the Excelsior to be a T3 skin. To replace the 4 nacelled ships. Post after post. So many posters wanted it to be T3.
I don't recall any posts asking for it to be a T5 C-Store item that replaced the Assault Cruiser.
I for one am completely disgusted they forgot about making those specific C Store items earnable by emblems to at least retain a degree of descency. The way I see it it will give at least a long term goal for people that see none playing this game.
And again for all those who claim that the Excelsior is better than the Sovereign: It gets drawbacks for every benefit except the non-combat transwarp drive. So if the Sovereign isn't assault enough for you anymore use a Dervish. Same trade-off, just more massive.:D