Events in the movie that happened in the prime timeline (the destruction of Romulus, and the disappearance of Spock and Nero) have affected STO. . . .So how can the movie and STO be in different realities? . . . Parallel universes are self-contained, separate realities that exist as a consequence of different choices and outcomes. This concept was explored in the TNG episode "Parallels," in which there were thousands of alternate timelines (and thousands of Enterprises!). It also is seen in the Mirror Universe, which is a darker take on the world of the Federation.
As I said, we are in an altered timeline... LIVE WITH IT.
P.S. Thank you for your reference, as it just proved my point.
you have to remember that Nero had his ship enhanced with Borg tech, and he destroyed a Klingon fleet. him showing the way could mean that the romulins need to use borg tech more, and be come more violent.
EXACTLY! And isn't this exactly what the Romulans are doing in the STO storyline?
in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.
Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
Star Trek Online is set in the "prime" Star Trek reality.
I don't have to explain any mission dialogue. It's a done deal this is prime timeline. You cannot argue it, you cannot dispute it. Cryptic has said that's how it is, and guess what? That's how it is
As for your fact about the fed-cloak. I'm glad you couldn't be more wrong. As I stated earlier (post #17)
However, I could of sworn I read in the needs of the many the treaty was considered null and void.
Do I want the federation to have cloaking? IF the treaty is explained yes. If not, no. Because it's not canon. Argue all you want, but with the treaty in play, the federation would NEVER EVER EVER build a fleet of cloaked vessels to start a war. Regardless of that fact, as long as the treaty is explained away i'm fine with it. Please do not assume facts about me without actually knowing me. (Considering this has been my stance all along)
Events in the movie that happened in the prime timeline (the destruction of Romulus, and the disappearance of Spock and Nero) have affected STO. . . .So how can the movie and STO be in different realities? . . . Parallel universes are self-contained, separate realities that exist as a consequence of different choices and outcomes. This concept was explored in the TNG episode "Parallels," in which there were thousands of alternate timelines (and thousands of Enterprises!). It also is seen in the Mirror Universe, which is a darker take on the world of the Federation.
As I said, we are in an altered timeline... LIVE WITH IT.
P.S. Thank you for your reference, as it just proved my point.
Okay now i'm trying to decide if you're not a troll or just not paying attention
THE HOBUS EVENT HAPPENED BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN CAME OUT READ THE COMIC BOOK LEADING UP TO IT ><
in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.
Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
I was not trying to say that I don't want to see Fed cloaks. What I am saying is that it violates canon. As to Nero's comment, I refer you to Path to 2409:
"Starfleet immediately orders all available ships to cross the Neutral Zone and assist the Romulans with any possible relief and recovery efforts. Several of these ships are attacked by Nero, who is captaining the Narada, a heavily modified Romulan vessel. Additional cruisers are diverted to escort relief vessels to Romulan space.
Intercepted Romulan transmissions indicate that Praetor Chulan and the leaders of the Senate escaped Romulus before the planet's destruction. But the USS Nobel, en route to Romulus, find the bodies of Chulan and the Senate's ruling council floating in space near their derelict shuttle.
After Nero expands his attacks to Klingon ships, Chancellor Martok orders a fleet to enter Romulan space. He appoints his friend Worf as one of the mission's commanders, giving him the rank of General for the mission. "
They are following the story of the Countdown comic series. In it a fleet of over 50 ships was destroyed by a single ship, The Narada. He became famous for showing how the adaption of borg technology could conquer the Galaxy.
They are following the story of the Countdown comic series. In it a fleet of over 50 ships was destroyed by a single ship, The Narada. He became famous for showing how the adaption of borg technology could conquer the Galaxy.
in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.
Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
Nero was a humble miner who initially worked with Spock in the prime timeline to procure decalithium for refining into red matter. There were some concerns on both the Vulcan and Romulan sides that this collaboration was a bad idea.
He was away from Romulus when the Supernova destroyed it, and this made him crack. He took his humble mining ship, the Narada, and rescued what was left of the Romulan Senate. (Which is how he obtained the staff he carries in ST XI) As way of thanks, the Narada was upgraded with Borg Technology at a secret Romulan base.
Still in the prime timeline; he went on a rampage, attacking the Federation and Klingons before heading for Vulcan to enact his vengence on Spock. At about the same time, Spock activated the Red Matter and defused the Supernova, causing the Black Hole that sucked his ship and the Narada in. The rest, as they say, is lensflarey.
So yeah, in short... Nero had a bit of an impact on the Prime Universe as well. Hence showing Romulans 'The Way'.
Okay now i'm trying to decide if you're not a troll or just not paying attention HE HOBUS EVENT HAPPENED BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN CAME OUT READ THE COMIC BOOK LEADING UP TO IT ><
I don't hink a "Comic Book" sets the stage. Further, my prior post QUOTED STO's EXPLANATION that you so nicely provided. You keep using one line out of context. The paragrach CONFIRMS that the timeline is altered.
So yes, I am paying attention. Your not reading your own refferences. So sorry.
Star Trek: Countdown is a four-issue series of comics from IDW Publishing. The series is a prequel tie-in to the 2009 film, Star Trek. It serves as both a lead up to the film and a continuation of the Star Trek: The Next Generation era. The story details the back-story of Nero, the Romulan villain of the film. It takes place in the year 2387, eight years after Star Trek Nemesis, and explains how Nero and Spock ended up in the 23rd century.
I don't hink a "Comic Book" sets the stage. Further, my prior post QUOTED STO's EXPLANATION that you so nicely provided. You keep using one line out of context. The paragrach CONFIRMS that the timeline is altered.
So yes, I am paying attention. Your not reading your own refferences. So sorry.
The inspiration for the STO setting came from "Canon" books, TV (ENT, TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY), and film. The "Countdown" series is santioned by CBS to explain how the Paramont abomination, better know as ST:XI, affected the PRIME universe.
I don't hink a "Comic Book" sets the stage. Further, my prior post QUOTED STO's EXPLANATION that you so nicely provided. You keep using one line out of context. The paragrach CONFIRMS that the timeline is altered.
So yes, I am paying attention. Your not reading your own refferences. So sorry.
Explain how we are in an alternate timeline. Basically it boils down to this.
Writing Staff: It should also be noted that the Federation cloak is fictionally correct, as seen in All Good Things.
Great informative post. However, here your writing staff is wrong as already pointed out by others (alternate universe where the Klingons conquered the Romulan Empire). IF you allow the Galaxy-X to have cloak there is absolutely no reason for other Federation ships to have none.
It has nothing to do with the treaty alone. You might also consider reading the Path to 2409, so conveniently overlooked by everyone. And the best argument against federation-wide cloaking is still the ethics of the federation. If you say it´s a tactical advantage so the feds must use it in a war situation, the same reasoning would mean EVERY faction would use cloaks, but they don´t. :rolleyes:
It has nothing to do with the treaty alone. You might also consider reading the Path to 2409, so conveniently overlooked by everyone. And the best argument against federation-wide cloaking is still the ethics of the federation. If you say it´s a tactical advantage so the feds must use it in a war situation, the same reasoning would mean EVERY faction would use cloaks, but they don´t. :rolleyes:
Ethics? WTH are you talking about? There are not "Starfleet" ethics in STO. We go around pew pew pew all day. We kill people and kill ships wholesale. I must have wiped a whole generation of klingons off the map single handedly.
STO is all pew pew. Sicne we dont use our minds in this game to solve problems but muscle, there is no reason not to have Fed-cloaking in STO.
Ethics? WTH are you talking about? There are not "Starfleet" ethics in STO. We go around pew pew pew all day. We kill people and kill ships wholesale. I must have wiped a whole generation of klingons off the map single handedly.
STO is all pew pew. Sicne we dont use our minds in this game to solve problems but muscle, there is no reason not to have Fed-cloaking in STO.
I didn´t argue against killing, since the klingons call some of my characters descendant of kahless for killing 1000 of them, they seem to like it. But at least the feds come to kill new lifeforms honestly and openly.
Over the last few days I sent a few questions out to various people, and got some good answers. I wanted to take the time to share that information with you.
Me: Players are afraid that the Galaxy-X will significantly affect game balance, due to the fact that its a Tier above the currently available ships. Design Team: Season 2 will provide new ships of equal power that can be earned through normal game mechanics, so players who purchase the ship in the C-Store will not have an advantage in PVP or PVE. Also, the Dreadnought Cruiser also comes with disadvantages for a Tier 5 ship. It has Tier 4 weapon slots and the speed and turn rate of a Exploration Cruiser (Galaxy)
Me: Cloaking is one of the things that gives Klingons their unique identity, with Federation being able to cloak, how can Klingons keep their unique racial characteristics? Design Team: There are some unique Klingon powers in the process of being approved right now, but we don't have the green light to announce them yet. Writing Staff: It should also be noted that the Federation cloak is fictionally correct, as seen in All Good Things.
Me: Will the Galaxy-X from the Referral System be any different than the Galaxy-X in the C-Store? In terms of mechanics, or look/feel? Production Team: No, they will be the same.
Me: When will this hit the C-Store? Everyone Else: TBD
Me: What will the price be? Everyone Else: TBD
Hey, Destra. I don't see the other big question brought up regarding the C-Store mess. Can we please have a ruling on it?
What are you going to do to compensate those who bought a CO LTS and multiple retail boxes for their OWN account (to get the vendor items attached to them)? A great idea was brought up:
Give Cryptic Points (like around 1000CP) for each box purchased beyond the first. Maybe do something similar for the Champions lifers. Either do that or don't go through with compensating people for the Galaxy-X.
Awesome about the Galaxy-X. I am 99% positive that I am going to get one when they come out in C-store, just gotta see how much they'll charge for it.
If any of you read the IDW Publishing official Star Trek Xl movie tie-in comic (Countdown), you would know that Nero's upgraded Narada, which was performed at the Tal Shiar outpost called the Vault with Borg technology, destroyed a small Federation fleet, a massive Klingon fleet, and nearly the Enterprise-E itself.
"Nero showed us the way" refers to these events. I really suggest you buy these comics as they show the connection between the 24th century and the new (though alternate) 23rd century flawlessly.
And as for the Romulan Empire, the Romulans like every other major Empire are in the middle of a civil war right now. You've got Sela's Roma Nova empire (the one you fight so much in the game), and then you have the independent colonies and those worlds that favor Donatra's point of view that are trying to not be so warlike. It is not unlike the House of Martok that is PO-ed that the House of Duras basically controls the High Council and is skirmishing with them in those PVP matches we fight. Also the Detapa Council which is trying to be Federation-like despite the threats of the radical and militaristic True Way Alliance.
So the Romulan Empire still exists, but they are so fraught with infighting that they have no way to stop Federation ships from crossing into their space.
It has nothing to do with the treaty alone. You might also consider reading the Path to 2409, so conveniently overlooked by everyone. And the best argument against federation-wide cloaking is still the ethics of the federation. If you say it´s a tactical advantage so the feds must use it in a war situation, the same reasoning would mean EVERY faction would use cloaks, but they don´t. :rolleyes:
In the All Good Things timeline AND in the Endgame timeline the Federation had cloak. And as much as I like Kestrel's work, TNG and VOY canon trumps STO any day. We are in another timeline, but that does not mean that the Federation would never use cloaking devices.
I didn´t argue against killing, since the klingons call some of my characters descendant of kahless for killing 1000 of them, they seem to like it. But at least the feds come to kill new lifeforms honestly and openly.
My reply was tounge-in-cheek humor at the way the game is played.
I personnally wouldnt mind having puzzles to solve to complete a mission, but some of the people I have seen in game, they wouldnt be able to get past the prologue.
Awesome about the Galaxy-X. I am 99% positive that I am going to get one when they come out in C-store, just gotta see how much they'll charge for it.
If any of you read the IDW Publishing official Star Trek Xl movie tie-in comic (Countdown), you would know that Nero's upgraded Narada, which was performed at the Tal Shiar outpost called the Vault with Borg technology, destroyed a small Federation fleet, a massive Klingon fleet, and nearly the Enterprise-E itself.
"Nero showed us the way" refers to these events. I really suggest you buy these comics as they show the connection between the 24th century and the new (though alternate) 23rd century flawlessly.
And as for the Romulan Empire, the Romulans like every other major Empire are in the middle of a civil war right now. You've got Sela's Roma Nova empire (the one you fight so much in the game), and then you have the independent colonies and those worlds that favor Donatra's point of view that are trying to not be so warlike. It is not unlike the House of Martok that is PO-ed that the House of Duras basically controls the High Council and is skirmishing with them in those PVP matches we fight. Also the Detapa Council which is trying to be Federation-like despite the threats of the radical and militaristic True Way Alliance.
So the Romulan Empire still exists, but they are so fraught with infighting that they have no way to stop Federation ships from crossing into their space.
in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.
Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
if you read the lead in to the movie, before nero goes back in time, the romulans use borg tech to upgrade his ship and then he goes on a killing spree as he heads to vulcan. He and spock get sucked into the past before he takes his revenge on vulcan in the prime time line. The war path is what they are talking about when it is said "Nero showed us the way." The Movie didn't change anything in the prime timeline, nero going back makes a parallel alternate time line.
Awesome about the Galaxy-X. I am 99% positive that I am going to get one when they come out in C-store, just gotta see how much they'll charge for it.
If any of you read the IDW Publishing official Star Trek Xl movie tie-in comic (Countdown), you would know that Nero's upgraded Narada, which was performed at the Tal Shiar outpost called the Vault with Borg technology, destroyed a small Federation fleet, a massive Klingon fleet, and nearly the Enterprise-E itself.
"Nero showed us the way" refers to these events. I really suggest you buy these comics as they show the connection between the 24th century and the new (though alternate) 23rd century flawlessly.
And as for the Romulan Empire, the Romulans like every other major Empire are in the middle of a civil war right now. You've got Sela's Roma Nova empire (the one you fight so much in the game), and then you have the independent colonies and those worlds that favor Donatra's point of view that are trying to not be so warlike. It is not unlike the House of Martok that is PO-ed that the House of Duras basically controls the High Council and is skirmishing with them in those PVP matches we fight. Also the Detapa Council which is trying to be Federation-like despite the threats of the radical and militaristic True Way Alliance.
So the Romulan Empire still exists, but they are so fraught with infighting that they have no way to stop Federation ships from crossing into their space.
Damn, beat me to it and explained it better as well. Oh well good post.
In the All Good Things timeline AND in the Endgame timeline the Federation had cloak. And as much as I like Kestrel's work, TNG and VOY canon trumps STO any day. We are in another timeline, but that does not mean that the Federation would never use cloaking devices.
I find those two sources to be kinda hokey. First off, "All Good Things" was a timeline created by Q so its validity is questionable. Secondly, in "Endgame", correct me if i'm wrong but it only showed her "cloaked" near the borg. I was pretty sure that was the Multi-Adaptive shielding designed to mess with the the Borg.
I find those two sources to be kinda hokey. First off, "All Good Things" was a timeline created by Q so its validity is questionable. Secondly, in "Endgame", correct me if i'm wrong but it only showed her "cloaked" near the borg. I was pretty sure that was the Multi-Adaptive shielding designed to mess with the the Borg.
I understood that the shuttle actually cloaked. This would imply that not only the feds have the ability to cloak, but be able to make a device small enough for a shuttle to cloak.
In the path to 2409, it is explained that the destruction of romulus wiped out the leadership of the romulan star empire, the aftermath of that event meant that there is no empire left to have a treaty with. It states on one of the later years in the timeline that the federation did legally test a cloaking device but halted the experiments because the romulans had become closer and began to build their society again. however, the political power that had signed the treaty with the federation no longer exists; so the federation can begin trials of cloaking technology if they wish.
Is anyone else mad there just miking us for money? this is probably going to cost 800cp ...............
WHAT? a for profit company milking us for money...... how is that possible. ( than again, they are saving people money. this info was released on the same day as when the STEAM sale of sto was released, and people were told not to waste their money on buying five copies of the game. oh well I guess they are milking the people because the galaxy-x is going to cost more then five copies of the game at 16 bucks a shot { limited time only} and 5 one month subs, at 15 bucks each. yep they are milking the players. )
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YES.... But read that text with an open eye:
Events in the movie that happened in the prime timeline (the destruction of Romulus, and the disappearance of Spock and Nero) have affected STO. . . .So how can the movie and STO be in different realities? . . . Parallel universes are self-contained, separate realities that exist as a consequence of different choices and outcomes. This concept was explored in the TNG episode "Parallels," in which there were thousands of alternate timelines (and thousands of Enterprises!). It also is seen in the Mirror Universe, which is a darker take on the world of the Federation.
As I said, we are in an altered timeline... LIVE WITH IT.
P.S. Thank you for your reference, as it just proved my point.
EXACTLY! And isn't this exactly what the Romulans are doing in the STO storyline?
Read my post above or http://www.startrekonline.com/timeline-alternate I will even bold the part that is of interest to you
I don't have to explain any mission dialogue. It's a done deal this is prime timeline. You cannot argue it, you cannot dispute it. Cryptic has said that's how it is, and guess what? That's how it is
As for your fact about the fed-cloak. I'm glad you couldn't be more wrong. As I stated earlier (post #17) Do I want the federation to have cloaking? IF the treaty is explained yes. If not, no. Because it's not canon. Argue all you want, but with the treaty in play, the federation would NEVER EVER EVER build a fleet of cloaked vessels to start a war. Regardless of that fact, as long as the treaty is explained away i'm fine with it. Please do not assume facts about me without actually knowing me. (Considering this has been my stance all along)
Okay now i'm trying to decide if you're not a troll or just not paying attention
THE HOBUS EVENT HAPPENED BEFORE THE MOVIE EVEN CAME OUT READ THE COMIC BOOK LEADING UP TO IT ><
I was not trying to say that I don't want to see Fed cloaks. What I am saying is that it violates canon. As to Nero's comment, I refer you to Path to 2409:
http://www.startrekonline.com/node/235/long
"Starfleet immediately orders all available ships to cross the Neutral Zone and assist the Romulans with any possible relief and recovery efforts. Several of these ships are attacked by Nero, who is captaining the Narada, a heavily modified Romulan vessel. Additional cruisers are diverted to escort relief vessels to Romulan space.
Intercepted Romulan transmissions indicate that Praetor Chulan and the leaders of the Senate escaped Romulus before the planet's destruction. But the USS Nobel, en route to Romulus, find the bodies of Chulan and the Senate's ruling council floating in space near their derelict shuttle.
After Nero expands his attacks to Klingon ships, Chancellor Martok orders a fleet to enter Romulan space. He appoints his friend Worf as one of the mission's commanders, giving him the rank of General for the mission. "
They are following the story of the Countdown comic series. In it a fleet of over 50 ships was destroyed by a single ship, The Narada. He became famous for showing how the adaption of borg technology could conquer the Galaxy.
By what coincidence that a Romulan miner would happen to be named "Nero". Nero being one, if not the worst, of the Roman Ceasers
Maybe in ST:XII the main character will be named "Ahab" or "Nemo"
Bingo... this right here.
Nero was a humble miner who initially worked with Spock in the prime timeline to procure decalithium for refining into red matter. There were some concerns on both the Vulcan and Romulan sides that this collaboration was a bad idea.
He was away from Romulus when the Supernova destroyed it, and this made him crack. He took his humble mining ship, the Narada, and rescued what was left of the Romulan Senate. (Which is how he obtained the staff he carries in ST XI) As way of thanks, the Narada was upgraded with Borg Technology at a secret Romulan base.
Still in the prime timeline; he went on a rampage, attacking the Federation and Klingons before heading for Vulcan to enact his vengence on Spock. At about the same time, Spock activated the Red Matter and defused the Supernova, causing the Black Hole that sucked his ship and the Narada in. The rest, as they say, is lensflarey.
So yeah, in short... Nero had a bit of an impact on the Prime Universe as well. Hence showing Romulans 'The Way'.
I don't hink a "Comic Book" sets the stage. Further, my prior post QUOTED STO's EXPLANATION that you so nicely provided. You keep using one line out of context. The paragrach CONFIRMS that the timeline is altered.
So yes, I am paying attention. Your not reading your own refferences. So sorry.
Star Trek: Countdown is a four-issue series of comics from IDW Publishing. The series is a prequel tie-in to the 2009 film, Star Trek. It serves as both a lead up to the film and a continuation of the Star Trek: The Next Generation era. The story details the back-story of Nero, the Romulan villain of the film. It takes place in the year 2387, eight years after Star Trek Nemesis, and explains how Nero and Spock ended up in the 23rd century.
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The inspiration for the STO setting came from "Canon" books, TV (ENT, TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY), and film. The "Countdown" series is santioned by CBS to explain how the Paramont abomination, better know as ST:XI, affected the PRIME universe.
Explain how we are in an alternate timeline. Basically it boils down to this.
Great informative post. However, here your writing staff is wrong as already pointed out by others (alternate universe where the Klingons conquered the Romulan Empire). IF you allow the Galaxy-X to have cloak there is absolutely no reason for other Federation ships to have none.
Oh Snap! Epic Pwnage!!! :eek:
Ethics? WTH are you talking about? There are not "Starfleet" ethics in STO. We go around pew pew pew all day. We kill people and kill ships wholesale. I must have wiped a whole generation of klingons off the map single handedly.
STO is all pew pew. Sicne we dont use our minds in this game to solve problems but muscle, there is no reason not to have Fed-cloaking in STO.
I didn´t argue against killing, since the klingons call some of my characters descendant of kahless for killing 1000 of them, they seem to like it. But at least the feds come to kill new lifeforms honestly and openly.
Hey, Destra. I don't see the other big question brought up regarding the C-Store mess. Can we please have a ruling on it?
What are you going to do to compensate those who bought a CO LTS and multiple retail boxes for their OWN account (to get the vendor items attached to them)? A great idea was brought up:
Give Cryptic Points (like around 1000CP) for each box purchased beyond the first. Maybe do something similar for the Champions lifers. Either do that or don't go through with compensating people for the Galaxy-X.
If any of you read the IDW Publishing official Star Trek Xl movie tie-in comic (Countdown), you would know that Nero's upgraded Narada, which was performed at the Tal Shiar outpost called the Vault with Borg technology, destroyed a small Federation fleet, a massive Klingon fleet, and nearly the Enterprise-E itself.
"Nero showed us the way" refers to these events. I really suggest you buy these comics as they show the connection between the 24th century and the new (though alternate) 23rd century flawlessly.
And as for the Romulan Empire, the Romulans like every other major Empire are in the middle of a civil war right now. You've got Sela's Roma Nova empire (the one you fight so much in the game), and then you have the independent colonies and those worlds that favor Donatra's point of view that are trying to not be so warlike. It is not unlike the House of Martok that is PO-ed that the House of Duras basically controls the High Council and is skirmishing with them in those PVP matches we fight. Also the Detapa Council which is trying to be Federation-like despite the threats of the radical and militaristic True Way Alliance.
So the Romulan Empire still exists, but they are so fraught with infighting that they have no way to stop Federation ships from crossing into their space.
In the All Good Things timeline AND in the Endgame timeline the Federation had cloak. And as much as I like Kestrel's work, TNG and VOY canon trumps STO any day. We are in another timeline, but that does not mean that the Federation would never use cloaking devices.
My reply was tounge-in-cheek humor at the way the game is played.
I personnally wouldnt mind having puzzles to solve to complete a mission, but some of the people I have seen in game, they wouldnt be able to get past the prologue.
Very good summary. Cheers!
if you read the lead in to the movie, before nero goes back in time, the romulans use borg tech to upgrade his ship and then he goes on a killing spree as he heads to vulcan. He and spock get sucked into the past before he takes his revenge on vulcan in the prime time line. The war path is what they are talking about when it is said "Nero showed us the way." The Movie didn't change anything in the prime timeline, nero going back makes a parallel alternate time line.
Damn, beat me to it and explained it better as well. Oh well good post.
I find those two sources to be kinda hokey. First off, "All Good Things" was a timeline created by Q so its validity is questionable. Secondly, in "Endgame", correct me if i'm wrong but it only showed her "cloaked" near the borg. I was pretty sure that was the Multi-Adaptive shielding designed to mess with the the Borg.
I understood that the shuttle actually cloaked. This would imply that not only the feds have the ability to cloak, but be able to make a device small enough for a shuttle to cloak.
WHAT? a for profit company milking us for money...... how is that possible. ( than again, they are saving people money. this info was released on the same day as when the STEAM sale of sto was released, and people were told not to waste their money on buying five copies of the game. oh well I guess they are milking the people because the galaxy-x is going to cost more then five copies of the game at 16 bucks a shot { limited time only} and 5 one month subs, at 15 bucks each. yep they are milking the players. )