Over the last few days I sent a few questions out to various people, and got some good answers. I wanted to take the time to share that information with you.
Me: Players are afraid that the Galaxy-X will significantly affect game balance, due to the fact that its a Tier above the currently available ships. Design Team: Season 2 will provide new ships of equal power that can be earned through normal game mechanics, so players who purchase the ship in the C-Store will not have an advantage in PVP or PVE. Also, the Dreadnought Cruiser also comes with disadvantages for a Tier 5 ship. It has Tier 4 weapon slots and the speed and turn rate of a Exploration Cruiser (Galaxy)
Me: Cloaking is one of the things that gives Klingons their unique identity, with Federation being able to cloak, how can Klingons keep their unique racial characteristics? Design Team: There are some unique Klingon powers in the process of being approved right now, but we don't have the green light to announce them yet. Writing Staff: It should also be noted that the Federation cloak is fictionally correct, as seen in All Good Things.
Me: Will the Galaxy-X from the Referral System be any different than the Galaxy-X in the C-Store? In terms of mechanics, or look/feel? Production Team: No, they will be the same.
Me: When will this hit the C-Store? Everyone Else: TBD
Me: What will the price be? Everyone Else: TBD
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Sounds good here. Can't wait to see it and be able to get one.
On the side, is there an ETA of the next C-Store update? I've been unable to get the search the thread featue to work if it's been answered in a thread already.
Over the last few days I sent a few questions out to various people, and got some good answers. I wanted to take the time to share that information with you.
Me: Players are afraid that the Galaxy-X will significantly affect game balance, due to the fact that its a Tier above the currently available ships. Design Team: Season 2 will provide new ships of equal power that can be earned through normal game mechanics, so players who purchase the ship in the C-Store will not have an advantage in PVP or PVE. Also, the Dreadnought Cruiser also comes with disadvantages for a Tier 5 ship. It has Tier 4 weapon slots and the speed and turn rate of a Exploration Cruiser (Galaxy)
Me: Cloaking is one of the things that gives Klingons their unique identity, with Federation being able to cloak, how can Klingons keep their unique racial characteristics? Design Team: There are some unique Klingon powers in the process of being approved right now, but we don't have the green light to announce them yet. Writing Staff: It should also be noted that the Federation cloak is fictionally correct, as seen in All Good Things.
Me: Will the Galaxy-X from the Referral System be any different than the Galaxy-X in the C-Store? In terms of mechanics, or look/feel? Production Team: No, they will be the same.
While I agree with the fact that yes it was in Star Trek. It was in an alternate universe where the Romulan Star Empire did not exist. Since the only reason the Federation did not develop cloaks was the Treaty of Algeron with the Romulan Star Empire, their fall made the Treaty null, thus allowing the development of cloaks. The use here is illegal by the Treaty since the Empire still exists.
he use here is illegal by the Treaty since the Empire still exists.
I agree with this, that means you have to write a mission in to the story that causes the treaty to be canceled. ( we should already be at war given the amount of the empire's ships we destroyed )
I agree with this, that means you have to write a mission in to the story that causes the treaty to be canceled. ( we should already be at war given the amount of the empire's ships we destroyed )
Agreed. Its already kinda ridiculous we can just go flyin through Romulan Space and nothin happens.
Writing Staff: It should also be noted that the Federation cloak is fictionally correct, as seen in All Good Things.
So now we're playing in an alternate future? The D was destroyed, the crew was split up, Worf got married and widowed- we've strayed so far from that "possible future" that I've seriously got to question the writing team for thinking that's canonically correct.
The only canon instances of Fed cloak are still the Pegasus' cloaking device that was used in the Enterprise temporarily and the Defiant's "rented" Romulan cloaking device.
Of course, since we've strayed from that possible future, I guess we should just take the Galaxy-X for the handwaving it is. Even at the tail end of the Dominion War, we hadn't seen the dreadnought refits of the Galaxy, so I'll just shut up now and let myself indulge in some fanboy fun with (IMO) one of the coolest-looking ships ever to come out of Trek.
Agreed. Its already kinda ridiculous we can just go flyin through Romulan Space and nothin happens.
when the romulans are added to the game we will most likely declare war since it will be a player faction, but it mite happen sooner since the galaxy-x , and maybe other ship will be getting the cloak. ( battle cloak defiant class? ):D
yep.. I also agree.. GMDestra you mite want to edit that out before you make all of the Trekkies mad because they think that the writing team does not know canon.
The only canon instances of Fed cloak are still the Pegasus' cloaking device that was used in the Enterprise temporarily and the Defiant's "rented" Romulan cloaking device..
There's also Admiral Janeway's customized personal shuttlecraft in the last episode of Voyager. (But whether this was a legal modification or not could be debated...) as well as the Future Federation 'Time Ships' in several Voyager episodes...
There's also Admiral Janeway's customized personal shuttlecraft in the last episode of Voyager. (But whether this was a legal modification or not could be debated...) as well as the Future Federation 'Time Ships' in several Voyager episodes...
The shuttle was equipped with several advanced technologies, including a stealth generator, an ablative armor generator, transphasic torpedoes, and a neural interface and synaptic transceiver. (VOY: "Endgame")
(1) Romulus has been DESTROYED, and the Romulan Empire is trying to rebuild.
(2) Nero changed the Timeline.
For this reason, the entire "canon" , including Cloaking Technology, is in. Repeat, in STO "ROMULUS HAS BEEN DESTROYED"... so much for the "ever so often quoted" treaty.
lets see what tier 6 (level 51) ships look like. Are they for Seaon 3, or ???
So now we're playing in an alternate future? The D was destroyed, the crew was split up, Worf got married and widowed- we've strayed so far from that "possible future" that I've seriously got to question the writing team for thinking that's canonically correct.
The only canon instances of Fed cloak are still the Pegasus' cloaking device that was used in the Enterprise temporarily and the Defiant's "rented" Romulan cloaking device.
Of course, since we've strayed from that possible future, I guess we should just take the Galaxy-X for the handwaving it is. Even at the tail end of the Dominion War, we hadn't seen the dreadnought refits of the Galaxy, so I'll just shut up now and let myself indulge in some fanboy fun with (IMO) one of the coolest-looking ships ever to come out of Trek.
It's not were playing in the AGT's furture it's just the AGT's galaxy is a natural progression of the Galaxy class design, say the Enterprise-D along with Yamatto, Galaxy and Oddasey they're Mark 1, The Venture (with the addational phaser strips on the warp nacells and probabley other upgrades) and ships after that are all Mark 2 and the Galaxy-X or what we know as the Galaxy-X and AGT's Galaxy is more of Mark 3 Galaxy class starship it's not Galaxy-X or AGT's Galaxy class because AGT was set in 2385 if i'm not mistaken but they're mark three because they're only now showing up in the real timeline in 2409 and the Galaxy-X and AGT's Galaxy class are 24 years older than the Galaxy class Mark 3
oh but its cannon to have the tos connie in game.... i've seen a whole TRIBBLE load of these but no on complains any more about them being in game.... sorry guys cannon is cannon, but cannon takes a back seat in the game with ships.
(1) Romulus has been DESTROYED, and the Romulan Empire is trying to rebuild.
(2) Nero changed the Timeline.
For this reason, the entire "canon" , including Cloaking Technology, is in. Repeat, in STO "ROMULUS HAS BEEN DESTROYED"... so much for the "ever so often quoted" treaty.
lets see what tier 6 (level 51) ships look like. Are they for Seaon 3, or ???
uh, Last time I checked, an empire is more than one planet. Romulus being destroied does NOT mean the romulan empire is gone. However, I could of sworn I read in the needs of the many the treaty was considered null and void.
The time line was changed in an ALTERNATE unvierse. We are still playing in prime. So nero's changing the time line had ZERO to do with it. Basically that whole scenario that he created in STXI does not exist.
In any event i do have to concur with quite a few people here, the writing staff using an alternate future scenario as canon for the federation having cloaking tech needs to be smacked a lot and actually pay attention as to WHY we had cloaking tech in that future
oh but its cannon to have the tos connie in game.... i've seen a whole TRIBBLE load of these but no on complains any more about them being in game.... sorry guys cannon is cannon, but cannon takes a back seat in the game with ships.
Btw it's canon not cannon ^^ and what's wrong with a connie ship? It was in canon and i'm sure if a captain REALLY wanted to use it, they could of pulled one out of mothballs
The time line was changed in an ALTERNATE unvierse. We are still playing in prime. So nero's changing the time line had ZERO to do with it. Basically that whole scenario that he created in STXI does not exist.
Odd.... Nero's name, and the entire series of events from the movie, continually show up in the storyline. There's even a statment "Nero showed us the way . . ." in the mission dialogue.
Comment by Askray refuted... we ARE playing in an altered timeline!
Nero had nothing to do with the destruction of Romulus, that was a result of a super nova. Now if Vulcan was destroyed in game, that would be a totally different story.
The Romulan Star Empire as we knew it only exists in name only. The Klingon Empire went through several civil wars to what we see now. Cardassian Union was crushed and still in shambles. The only factions that we do not know the condition on are"
Ferengi, we do know Rom is Grand Negus (one can only guess at the changes that were made)
Breen, situatiuon unknown
Dominion, though there still are remnant forces in the Alpha Quadrant.
All in all, ONLY the Federation still maintains the same Govt from the end of Nemesis to now (Federation is more militant albeit)
IT is not too far fetched that with the situation of the Romulan Star Empire that the Federation would simply ignore part of all of the Treaty of Algeron.
Btw it's canon not cannon ^^ and what's wrong with a connie ship? It was in canon and i'm sure if a captain REALLY wanted to use it, they could of pulled one out of mothballs
yes yes smartalec heh
tbh theres nothing wrong with the tos connie being in game, but its part of cannon as much as the all good things galaxy is, tbh neither belong in this time frame but its a game..... stuff like this happens... if it makes you feal better, star trek always has an excuse... Q made them.. there gal-x conundrum solved.
Odd.... Nero's name, and the entire series of events from the movie, continually show up in the storyline. There's even a statment "Nero showed us the way . . ." in the mission dialogue.
Comment by Askray refuted... we ARE playing in an altered timeline!
Uh failed.
The events of the hobus incident were done BEFORE STXI. It was just in the movie thus making it canon however it was in the comic book leading UP to it.
We are NOT in the STXI time line. That has been commented about 40 thousand times by cryptic and as such to the obviousness of it, VULCAN is still in game.
Yeah, the Federation knows how to build transwarp corridors, regenerative shielding and reverse assimilation but they dont have a single clue how to build a cloaking device as simple as the one Kirk handed to them on a platter for study ?
'Blah blah blah Federation dont use cloaks'
The Federation dont use them because:
A) They never needed to:
Except when they DID in DS9... and they went and got one via the Romulans
Except when they DID in TNG... and they went and got one via the Klingons
As such the Federation DOES recognise the tactical value of the tech and WILL take means to use it when required. I think wartime qualifies as a pretty big requirement for a tactical advantage, no ?
The treaty with the Romulans
Cryptic can write that treaty off and this is irrelevant, even without such the status of the game makes such a treaty stupid.
The treaty dosent even need to be written off only the indication that the Romulans are willing to let the infractions slide because they wont / cant push the issue. The treaty was put in place when the Romulans were in a much stronger position. They are no longer in that position.
You can whine and moan it violates the treaty but the reality is the Romulans are not in a positon to enforce that treaty and they may not even see the need to enforce it.
The Defiant cloak was technically not supposed to be used outside of the Gamma Quadrant and only with a Romulan onboard. Did the Romulans automatically go to war with the Federation when neither condition was met even when they signed the non-aggression pact with the Dominion ?
It is far more likely the Romulans are willing to let infractions slide as long as the Federation serve their purposes in doing so. As such, Federation ships with cloaking devices that can be used to fight the Borg, Klingons, Undine, Terrans, Cardassians, Dominion and everyone else means the Federation get to do the fighting while the Romulans can secretly rebuild their Empire to a point they will be able to hold the Federation back to the full extent of the treaty.
Oh noes !
Trying to apply immersive Role Play politics to the game and tell a decent story rather than rely on rigid Star Trek canon 'rules' which even the goddamn canon broke to serve their story purposes... that is so much better.
Nero had nothing to do with the destruction of Romulus, that was a result of a super nova. Now if Vulcan was destroyed in game, that would be a totally different story.
Yes, this is an interesting hole in the flow, since Vulcan WAS destroyed in the movie. But the destruction of Romulus occured at the very beginning of the altered timeline. This was the trigger for Nero to go back in time, and change the timeline.
FAST FORWARD.
Romulus is AGAIN destroyed, and we learn it was the Reman who are responsible.
Klingons are making Augments... and extention of another elisode
While there is no "Dominion Empire", there is a "New Link" and the founders are not exterminated.
Lots of room for flex, especially since Section 31 has in-game demonstration of cloaking technology on Federation ships. It is this one point that makes Fed cloak completely within STO canon.
Yes, this is an interesting hole in the flow, since Vulcan WAS destroyed in the movie. But the destruction of Romulus occured at the very beginning of the altered timeline. This was the trigger for Nero to go back in time, and change the timeline.
FAST FORWARD.
Romulus is AGAIN destroyed, and we learn it was the Reman who are responsible.
Klingons are making Augments... and extention of another elisode
While there is no "Dominion Empire", there is a "New Link" and the founders are not exterminated.
Lots of room for flex, especially since Section 31 has in-game demonstration of cloaking technology on Federation ships. It is this one point that makes Fed cloak completely within STO canon.
Hold on. You're way WAY off
In PRIME timeline (what we're playing in) - Romulus was destroied by the hobus star going super nova. Nero and spock were pulled into a blackwhole and considered KIA'd which obviously they went to an alternate universe.
The Federation dont use them because:
A) They never needed to:
Except when they DID in DS9... and they went and got one via the Romulans
Except when they DID in TNG... and they went and got one via the Klingons.
Your forgetting the first time. Jame T. Kirk captured a "Cloaking Device" from the Romulans, in fact stealing it from their ship. Scotty successfully hooked it up to the TOS Connie and make it work.
Yes, this is an interesting hole in the flow, since Vulcan WAS destroyed in the movie. But the destruction of Romulus occured at the very beginning of the altered timeline. This was the trigger for Nero to go back in time, and change the timeline.
FAST FORWARD.
Romulus is AGAIN destroyed, and we learn it was the Reman who are responsible.
Klingons are making Augments... and extention of another elisode
While there is no "Dominion Empire", there is a "New Link" and the founders are not exterminated.
Lots of room for flex, especially since Section 31 has in-game demonstration of cloaking technology on Federation ships. It is this one point that makes Fed cloak completely within STO canon.
no... the destruction of rumulus happened in what's called the prime time line. ( TOS TNG DS9 VOY, and ENT ) the planet was destroyed. spock used the red matter to stop the super nova from destroying more of the sector. the red matter cause a black hole, and it formed a kind of time traveling worm hole in space. nero went in first, and then he kill kirks dad cause the time line to split.
we are in the prime time line, vulcan is safe. in the JJ time line vulcan is destroyed.
Star Trek Online is set in the "prime" Star Trek reality. This is the timeline of the five television series and the first 10 movies. It is the world in which the Gorn attacked Cestus III, Kirk fought Khan in the Mutara Nebula, Picard explored the galaxy, the Federation fought the Dominion War, Voyager was stranded in the Delta Quadrant and Captain Archer and the crew of the NX-01 showed us how it all began.
Events in the movie that happened in the prime timeline (the destruction of Romulus, and the disappearance of Spock and Nero) have affected STO. You can learn more about the aftermath of these events in the Path to 2409 and in STO itself.
In PRIME timeline (what we're playing in) - Romulus was destroied by the hobus star going super nova. Nero and spock were pulled into a blackwhole and considered KIA'd which obviously they went to an alternate universe.
Explain "Nero showed us the way."
in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.
Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.
Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
you have to remember that Nero had his ship enhanced with Borg tech, and he destroyed a Klingon fleet. him showing the way could mean that the romulins need to use borg tech more, and be come more violent.
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On the side, is there an ETA of the next C-Store update? I've been unable to get the search the thread featue to work if it's been answered in a thread already.
While I agree with the fact that yes it was in Star Trek. It was in an alternate universe where the Romulan Star Empire did not exist. Since the only reason the Federation did not develop cloaks was the Treaty of Algeron with the Romulan Star Empire, their fall made the Treaty null, thus allowing the development of cloaks. The use here is illegal by the Treaty since the Empire still exists.
Is there any response to the two questions that are on most people's minds?
When is it hitting the C-Store and how many points will it cost?
It's interesting that equivalent-but-different ships will be coming out soon anyway. Maybe it's not going to be such a must-have after all.
I agree with this, that means you have to write a mission in to the story that causes the treaty to be canceled. ( we should already be at war given the amount of the empire's ships we destroyed )
Agreed. Its already kinda ridiculous we can just go flyin through Romulan Space and nothin happens.
So now we're playing in an alternate future? The D was destroyed, the crew was split up, Worf got married and widowed- we've strayed so far from that "possible future" that I've seriously got to question the writing team for thinking that's canonically correct.
The only canon instances of Fed cloak are still the Pegasus' cloaking device that was used in the Enterprise temporarily and the Defiant's "rented" Romulan cloaking device.
Of course, since we've strayed from that possible future, I guess we should just take the Galaxy-X for the handwaving it is. Even at the tail end of the Dominion War, we hadn't seen the dreadnought refits of the Galaxy, so I'll just shut up now and let myself indulge in some fanboy fun with (IMO) one of the coolest-looking ships ever to come out of Trek.
when the romulans are added to the game we will most likely declare war since it will be a player faction, but it mite happen sooner since the galaxy-x , and maybe other ship will be getting the cloak. ( battle cloak defiant class? ):D
yep.. I also agree.. GMDestra you mite want to edit that out before you make all of the Trekkies mad because they think that the writing team does not know canon.
Ah the SC-4
The shuttle was equipped with several advanced technologies, including a stealth generator, an ablative armor generator, transphasic torpedoes, and a neural interface and synaptic transceiver. (VOY: "Endgame")
This has been the case since day 1.
(1) Romulus has been DESTROYED, and the Romulan Empire is trying to rebuild.
(2) Nero changed the Timeline.
For this reason, the entire "canon" , including Cloaking Technology, is in. Repeat, in STO "ROMULUS HAS BEEN DESTROYED"... so much for the "ever so often quoted" treaty.
lets see what tier 6 (level 51) ships look like. Are they for Seaon 3, or ???
It's not were playing in the AGT's furture it's just the AGT's galaxy is a natural progression of the Galaxy class design, say the Enterprise-D along with Yamatto, Galaxy and Oddasey they're Mark 1, The Venture (with the addational phaser strips on the warp nacells and probabley other upgrades) and ships after that are all Mark 2 and the Galaxy-X or what we know as the Galaxy-X and AGT's Galaxy is more of Mark 3 Galaxy class starship it's not Galaxy-X or AGT's Galaxy class because AGT was set in 2385 if i'm not mistaken but they're mark three because they're only now showing up in the real timeline in 2409 and the Galaxy-X and AGT's Galaxy class are 24 years older than the Galaxy class Mark 3
uh, Last time I checked, an empire is more than one planet. Romulus being destroied does NOT mean the romulan empire is gone. However, I could of sworn I read in the needs of the many the treaty was considered null and void.
The time line was changed in an ALTERNATE unvierse. We are still playing in prime. So nero's changing the time line had ZERO to do with it. Basically that whole scenario that he created in STXI does not exist.
In any event i do have to concur with quite a few people here, the writing staff using an alternate future scenario as canon for the federation having cloaking tech needs to be smacked a lot and actually pay attention as to WHY we had cloaking tech in that future
Btw it's canon not cannon ^^ and what's wrong with a connie ship? It was in canon and i'm sure if a captain REALLY wanted to use it, they could of pulled one out of mothballs
Odd.... Nero's name, and the entire series of events from the movie, continually show up in the storyline. There's even a statment "Nero showed us the way . . ." in the mission dialogue.
Comment by Askray refuted... we ARE playing in an altered timeline!
Nero had nothing to do with the destruction of Romulus, that was a result of a super nova. Now if Vulcan was destroyed in game, that would be a totally different story.
The Romulan Star Empire as we knew it only exists in name only. The Klingon Empire went through several civil wars to what we see now. Cardassian Union was crushed and still in shambles. The only factions that we do not know the condition on are"
Ferengi, we do know Rom is Grand Negus (one can only guess at the changes that were made)
Breen, situatiuon unknown
Dominion, though there still are remnant forces in the Alpha Quadrant.
All in all, ONLY the Federation still maintains the same Govt from the end of Nemesis to now (Federation is more militant albeit)
IT is not too far fetched that with the situation of the Romulan Star Empire that the Federation would simply ignore part of all of the Treaty of Algeron.
yes yes smartalec heh
tbh theres nothing wrong with the tos connie being in game, but its part of cannon as much as the all good things galaxy is, tbh neither belong in this time frame but its a game..... stuff like this happens... if it makes you feal better, star trek always has an excuse... Q made them.. there gal-x conundrum solved.
Uh failed.
The events of the hobus incident were done BEFORE STXI. It was just in the movie thus making it canon however it was in the comic book leading UP to it.
We are NOT in the STXI time line. That has been commented about 40 thousand times by cryptic and as such to the obviousness of it, VULCAN is still in game.
Yeah, the Federation knows how to build transwarp corridors, regenerative shielding and reverse assimilation but they dont have a single clue how to build a cloaking device as simple as the one Kirk handed to them on a platter for study ?
'Blah blah blah Federation dont use cloaks'
The Federation dont use them because:
A) They never needed to:
Except when they DID in DS9... and they went and got one via the Romulans
Except when they DID in TNG... and they went and got one via the Klingons
As such the Federation DOES recognise the tactical value of the tech and WILL take means to use it when required. I think wartime qualifies as a pretty big requirement for a tactical advantage, no ?
The treaty with the Romulans
Cryptic can write that treaty off and this is irrelevant, even without such the status of the game makes such a treaty stupid.
The treaty dosent even need to be written off only the indication that the Romulans are willing to let the infractions slide because they wont / cant push the issue. The treaty was put in place when the Romulans were in a much stronger position. They are no longer in that position.
You can whine and moan it violates the treaty but the reality is the Romulans are not in a positon to enforce that treaty and they may not even see the need to enforce it.
The Defiant cloak was technically not supposed to be used outside of the Gamma Quadrant and only with a Romulan onboard. Did the Romulans automatically go to war with the Federation when neither condition was met even when they signed the non-aggression pact with the Dominion ?
It is far more likely the Romulans are willing to let infractions slide as long as the Federation serve their purposes in doing so. As such, Federation ships with cloaking devices that can be used to fight the Borg, Klingons, Undine, Terrans, Cardassians, Dominion and everyone else means the Federation get to do the fighting while the Romulans can secretly rebuild their Empire to a point they will be able to hold the Federation back to the full extent of the treaty.
Oh noes !
Trying to apply immersive Role Play politics to the game and tell a decent story rather than rely on rigid Star Trek canon 'rules' which even the goddamn canon broke to serve their story purposes... that is so much better.
Yes, this is an interesting hole in the flow, since Vulcan WAS destroyed in the movie. But the destruction of Romulus occured at the very beginning of the altered timeline. This was the trigger for Nero to go back in time, and change the timeline.
FAST FORWARD.
Romulus is AGAIN destroyed, and we learn it was the Reman who are responsible.
Klingons are making Augments... and extention of another elisode
While there is no "Dominion Empire", there is a "New Link" and the founders are not exterminated.
Lots of room for flex, especially since Section 31 has in-game demonstration of cloaking technology on Federation ships. It is this one point that makes Fed cloak completely within STO canon.
Hold on. You're way WAY off
In PRIME timeline (what we're playing in) - Romulus was destroied by the hobus star going super nova. Nero and spock were pulled into a blackwhole and considered KIA'd which obviously they went to an alternate universe.
Your forgetting the first time. Jame T. Kirk captured a "Cloaking Device" from the Romulans, in fact stealing it from their ship. Scotty successfully hooked it up to the TOS Connie and make it work.
no... the destruction of rumulus happened in what's called the prime time line. ( TOS TNG DS9 VOY, and ENT ) the planet was destroyed. spock used the red matter to stop the super nova from destroying more of the sector. the red matter cause a black hole, and it formed a kind of time traveling worm hole in space. nero went in first, and then he kill kirks dad cause the time line to split.
we are in the prime time line, vulcan is safe. in the JJ time line vulcan is destroyed.
http://www.startrekonline.com/timeline-alternate
Explain "Nero showed us the way."
in your thinking, nero was no more than a simple miner. He only bacame famous in the new timeline. In other words, we are not in EITHER timeline, and again all rules are out the window.
Fact: You only keep this going because you don't want to see Fed-Cloak. It's a done deal, and people are using them YESTERDAY. Live with it.
you have to remember that Nero had his ship enhanced with Borg tech, and he destroyed a Klingon fleet. him showing the way could mean that the romulins need to use borg tech more, and be come more violent.