not all things lose value the rare the item the more value it has ever collect baseball cards or any othe collectible and since these are virtual items theres no wear and tear like a car or computer
Indeed.
Some model railway items sell for £400+, even though they were less than £100 originally.
And I don't object to Cryptic putting the items in C-Store, just the earliness of it.
When you drive a car off the lot it's immediately worth less. Depreciation is a fact of life, so yes anything you buy now is going to be worth less later on.
As far as the exclusive items not meaning anything, you're ignoring that the people who bought these products very soon now are going to have had five months of exclusive access to these bits and pieces which were offered as small bonuses in retail packages. So by the time this stuff does hit the C-Store they're going to have had half a years access to the stuff (which they got in addition to other things, like game time) and people buying it now will still have to pay for it. I don't think that's at all unreasonable.
As a Lifer I really don't care if the borg captain is sold in the C-Store (or even just given away at this point, as a Veteran Reward or otherwise). I, oddly, have no desire to try and keep things from other people when doing so doesn't deprive me of access to them.
Usually, you apply the term "depreciation" strictly in an accounting sense to place marketable values for companies and individuals to record capital and business assets for bookeepings/financial statements and tax purposes, respectively. I suggest you become more familiar with the term before applying it in your argument.
The idea that these ingame items depreciate is just laughable and Vulcans would agree that it's "illogical." The items should remain exclusive =P
And I don't object to Cryptic putting the items in C-Store, just the earliness of it.
at first i was WTF? i paid extra money on my colectors ed for the sole reason to get some of those "exclusive" items, and now they are just going to offer them to anyone?'
and then i thought, well when do we ever see any of them? grouping in this game outside end game STF or pvp is almost non existant, and most of them only really effect early ranks.
so i guess it boils down to what MGDawson said, its just far to soon, prob should of waited for the 1 year mark or so
I, oddly, have no desire to try and keep things from other people when doing so doesn't deprive me of access to them.
This is a good reasoning but... I'm just a little ****ed at the earliness of it. They reduced the price VERY early and now they give out these items still marked as "exclusives" on every store only 5 months after release...
I do admit it's a risk betting on digital stuff being exclusive but I think they should respect more their early buyers.
I'm extremely annoyed at seeing these items in the C-Store, I wouldn't have bothered preordering my collectors edition if I'd know a few months down the line I could have just bought the items I wanted.
Yet another terrible decision by a company that seems intent on driving it's customer base away. Shame on me for buying a lifetime membership. I really wish I hadn't bothered and won't be bothering with any Cryptic game again after all this TRIBBLE.
Starting to look like it. It certainly is dead to me, at least.
I haven't played since 3 weeks after release. I was only levle 12 and was very repetitive. Since then, I've been too busy playing other games. Gonna give it a go tonight I think... but I don't feel like it.
I'm extremely annoyed at seeing these items in the C-Store, I wouldn't have bothered preordering my collectors edition if I'd know a few months down the line I could have just bought the items I wanted.
Yet another terrible decision by a company that seems intent on driving it's customer base away. Shame on me for buying a lifetime membership. I really wish I hadn't bothered and won't be bothering with any Cryptic game again after all this TRIBBLE.
you know what all you naysayers out there qqing about these new cstore items. If you want bragging rights I tell you what. Listen or read carefuilly. Because I'm so tired fo seeing you whiners in game complaining. QUIT PLAYING DELETE THE GAME FROM YOUR COMPUTER PROBLEM SOLVED. Then if you want a game where you can brag and show off your epeen please go play world of warcraft. There you can sit in dalaran all day showing off pretty mounts and rare mounts and be hardcore and show off all the exlcusivity you want bro.
Please by all means quit playing this boring game that you think is dying. I for one quit playing wow to get away from players like you guys and I came to star trek. Guess why I came to star trek this might come as a shocker. I love star trek. I have no complaints what so ever about the game. I'm glad they put the uniforms on the c-store. I'd rather pay the 10 bucks for the two uniform sets than have to spend 50 bucks for the damn collector's edition. That was your choice to spend 50 bucks or what ever you spent on additional copies. I'm on a fixed income so this works out perfect for me. Again i re-iterate if you don't like it then quit problem solved. Have a pleasant day and if you choose to go to world of warcraft with your epeen toting friends in this thread then enjoy. However the rest of us who love star trek and who are grateful for the changes to the c-store will continue to enjoy the game and the incoming changes.
Let me preface by stating I've both CO and STO pre-launch Lifetime subscriptions and I bought the DDE, so I've several of the perks in question.
That said, I've never understood the need to deprive others of something to find enjoyment in the possession of it. It's just small. They all should be made available as Veterans' Benefits or C-Store items at some point; sooner rather than later I'd hope.
Let me preface by stating I've both CO and STO pre-launch Lifetime subscriptions and I bought the DDE, so I've several of the perks in question.
That said, I've never understood the need to deprive others of something to find enjoyment in the possession of it. It's just small. They all should be made available as Veterans' Benefits or C-Store items at some point; sooner rather than later I'd hope.
yes but there are those players out there I've found rather quickly in playing this game for my first two months that in both this game and in wow that want bragging rights and I'm sick of those players. I mean the game is fun but eventually you get tired of those players being in the zone or making post after post on the forums saying please stop making these exlcusive items available to everyone or please stop doing this or blah blah blah just so they can keep their silly epeen bragging rights. I mean if they want their epeen rights to bad let them go make their own damn game so they can get in a circle and jerk their epeens.
I would like to buy the Borg-Tribble, the playable Borg, the Trill, ships...or something like that too in the C-Store, but I also see the Problem of those who bought the game mutliple times... But I think, there would be a Way to make it fair... Give them some Extra-Play-Time for every code or something like that... I hated the Del Tacco spezial... I´m in Germany, without a Del Taco, so I couldn't get that code... I think you would have bought it in the C-Store
I wonder how Del Taco and any future sponsors of Cryptic games feels about this...
Let me preface by stating I've both CO and STO pre-launch Lifetime subscriptions and I bought the DDE, so I've several of the perks in question.
That said, I've never understood the need to deprive others of something to find enjoyment in the possession of it. It's just small. They all should be made available as Veterans' Benefits or C-Store items at some point; sooner rather than later I'd hope.
I have no interest in "depriving" people of things they could have bought but didn't. But, if items aren't going to be exclusive then I ask Cryptic not to sell them to me as such.
I checked my box and my online orders. No where does it say""Temporarily Exclusive".
If you weren't playing WOW on release to have the original bonus pet then you don't have it. That is the industry standard as most long term players of MMO's probably know. This is a pretty major breach of Etiquette by Cryptic.
Plus I think this is a pretty short sighted move by Cryptic. It establishes the precedent that when you buy new Cryptic games just get the cheapest version available, which will hurt initial ROI. I think its a big mistake as a business decision (unless Cryptic is either not going to release any new games or is sitting on piles and piles of excess capital so it can absorb expenses for new games with less initial revenue)
Perversely, I think it will, again long term, reduce C-Store sales as it removes the urgency to make purchases quickly and in a timely fashion. Since we all know now that what's available today will be available basically forever I know longer have any sense of urgency to get things now.
I wouldn't have done it.
But hey, I'm a professional accountant that does budgeting for Fortune 50 companies, and not a game designer, so what would i know?
Plus I think this is a pretty short sighted move by Cryptic. It establishes the precedent that when you buy new Cryptic games just get the cheapest version available, which will hurt initial ROI. I think its a big mistake as a business decision (unless Cryptic is either not going to release any new games or is sitting on piles and piles of excess capital so it can absorb expenses for new games with less initial revenue)
This. 5 months after release is crazy. If I ever buy a Cryptic game again, I will certainly not buy the "Special" or "Collector's" edition.
you know what all you naysayers out there qqing about these new cstore items. If you want bragging rights I tell you what. Listen or read carefuilly. Because I'm so tired fo seeing you whiners in game complaining. QUIT PLAYING DELETE THE GAME FROM YOUR COMPUTER PROBLEM SOLVED. Then if you want a game where you can brag and show off your epeen please go play world of warcraft. There you can sit in dalaran all day showing off pretty mounts and rare mounts and be hardcore and show off all the exlcusivity you want bro.
Please by all means quit playing this boring game that you think is dying. I for one quit playing wow to get away from players like you guys and I came to star trek. Guess why I came to star trek this might come as a shocker. I love star trek. I have no complaints what so ever about the game. I'm glad they put the uniforms on the c-store. I'd rather pay the 10 bucks for the two uniform sets than have to spend 50 bucks for the damn collector's edition. That was your choice to spend 50 bucks or what ever you spent on additional copies. I'm on a fixed income so this works out perfect for me. Again i re-iterate if you don't like it then quit problem solved. Have a pleasant day and if you choose to go to world of warcraft with your epeen toting friends in this thread then enjoy. However the rest of us who love star trek and who are grateful for the changes to the c-store will continue to enjoy the game and the incoming changes.
<VENT ON>I am a little upset with the Mirror Universe outfit in the C-Store. I spent a lot of cash for it (considering that Champions Online was a bust). Plus what is up with the Enterpise ship being more expensive then the Mirror Universe outfit or anything else for that matter?!? Oh well... should have expected that I would get screwed by Cryptic.<VENT OFF> Now I feel better... thanks for listening.. LOL
you know what all you naysayers out there qqing about these new cstore items. If you want bragging rights I tell you what. Listen or read carefuilly. Because I'm so tired fo seeing you whiners in game complaining. QUIT PLAYING DELETE THE GAME FROM YOUR COMPUTER PROBLEM SOLVED. Then if you want a game where you can brag and show off your epeen please go play world of warcraft. There you can sit in dalaran all day showing off pretty mounts and rare mounts and be hardcore and show off all the exlcusivity you want bro.
Please by all means quit playing this boring game that you think is dying. I for one quit playing wow to get away from players like you guys and I came to star trek. Guess why I came to star trek this might come as a shocker. I love star trek. I have no complaints what so ever about the game. I'm glad they put the uniforms on the c-store. I'd rather pay the 10 bucks for the two uniform sets than have to spend 50 bucks for the damn collector's edition. That was your choice to spend 50 bucks or what ever you spent on additional copies. I'm on a fixed income so this works out perfect for me. Again i re-iterate if you don't like it then quit problem solved. Have a pleasant day and if you choose to go to world of warcraft with your epeen toting friends in this thread then enjoy. However the rest of us who love star trek and who are grateful for the changes to the c-store will continue to enjoy the game and the incoming changes.
K, relax dude.
The special items on C-Store should be there, but later on in the game's lifecycle. I agree with the poster who said they should be altered somewhat as well. I found it odd that they had already had a "welcome back" weekend. I think that people are already leaving the game and this is another attempt to entice them back. The fact that they're pushing these extras out so fast is just plain disrespectful to the early supporters.
As for the CE or DDE editions, yes no one forced anyone to buy them, but by the same token, people bought them because they wanted the little extras (ie: nice art book and nice pin) that made the experience extra nice.
Taking the "like it or lump it" stance is nothing but counter-productive to the evolution of the game (if any). You know what you get when everything's uniform in a community? Boredom and people leaving.
Exactly I am not mad that they are on the c-store, I am mad that they couldn't I don't know wait until we at least had one expansion released before doing so.
As a European player, I was disheartened at launch due to the fact most of these items were only available in the US. As a Trekker I wanted to fly the Constitution Class... not the frakking refit, the original and now I finally have that. I wanted a borg BO so I could have my own Seven. I wanted the DS9 uniforms because I'm a Niner.
The only thing I have mentioned that I could get was the DS9 Uniform IF I paid £50 (About $65-$70) for what is essencially just a skin change. Most of the things that have put on there, I dont really care about. The people who pre-ordered still have a red matter capacitor and blue phasers. I felt jealous in a patrol mission in the Vulcan sector (Yes, I started again as a Caitian as most people seem to have done) and there were three or four TOS Connies in an open instance team, only one of which ahd said items.
Its not going to kill me not having blue phasers though, I love this game, always have done always will. And I am happy that the items are here... items that in my honest opinion should of been there from the start. Only the truly worthwhile items should be collectors edition only which I believe Cryptic are now finally doing.
Thank you Cryptic... From the bottom of my happy Caitian heart - MEOW!
I think most of the complaints are from people who are moree annoied that the rest of the community was right. Time and Time again they were told that buying multiple copies was ludicrous as the items would eventually be on C-Store... now they, they are angry
I have no interest in "depriving" people of things they could have bought but didn't. But, if items aren't going to be exclusive then I ask Cryptic not to sell them to me as such.
There are people who've just recently acquired the game -- that saw it on a rack and bought it on impulse or that got it as a gift -- who weren't aware of it at launch, let alone before. Most people *don't* read the gaming press. Most people *aren't* on forums like these. If someone's late to the party by your logic they're SOL. Not a warm fuzzy welcome.
And by the way, nothing about the word "exclusive" denotes "in perpetuity". Never being able to get something by any means would be *definitively* "depriving" anyone who bought the game some time after initial availability of the pertinent items. Learn to share your toys and get over yourself.
But yes, not being an early adopter should mean that you do not get the perks of being an early adopter. If you didnt buy gold when it was valued at less than half what its valued at today you dont get a do over. If you missed a one-time only sale at your favorite store then you missed it and you dont get to take advantage of it.
Games like STO (and really all of them) need early adopters in order to survive. One of the things I consider when deciding if Im going to be one or wait 6 months before some of the kinks are worked out is whether or not there is any incentive to being an early adopter. What Cryptic is telling me is that when it comes to their games no, there is no incentive to be an early adopter.
And Cryptic, at one point at least, understood this when they put out the Tamarian Envoy perks as a way of saying thanks to its customers that continued to log in over a weekend where service was quite spotty. Should those perks now be available to everyone? What that effectively says is that they appreciated our participation (time and/or money) at the time, but now that that time is in the past, to hell with us.
I dont really get that feeling from any of the other MMOs Ive played. WOW offered a special pet for its birthday and if you werent there you dont have it. It was a reward for doing something specific, and the people that didnt do that dont get the reward. Anarchy Online did the same thing with the explorer packs. If you werent there from launch you didnt get one. It was a reward for participation and it only went out to participants.
Same thing here with exclusive content. Whether it be participation in an event or by purchasing a specific product if you dont do those things you miss the rewards for doing so.
And to people that chose not to adopt early in order to get exclusive content that was your choice to forgo those rewards. Why do you deserve them now?
(And for people that complain that xyz wasnt available in their area, if youre playing an online game then you have access to Internet, where these things could have been acquired. I have no idea what a Del Taco even is, but I got the shuttle by paying $5 on Ebay)
From now on if I see a cryptic game or expansion pack with exclusive content I wont buy it, whats the point? And unless the game is something Im just dying to play Ill probably wait my customary six months before buying it, like so many of the people that are currently complaining they were left out. If Cryptic thinks that forgoing some percentage of early adopters is in their long term financial interest then more power to them.
But shame on them for making this change and telling players whom they rewarded for their effort
Hey, thanks for helping out back then, but what have you done for me lately?
not all things lose value the rare the item the more value it has ever collect baseball cards or any othe collectible and since these are virtual items theres no wear and tear like a car or computer
The problem being that most of these things aren't particularly rare as many of the items can still be gained by buying the involved product. The Deluxe and Collector's Editions can still easily be purchased, for instance, from many retailers and currently at a discounted price from launch. You can also find a number of code-based items up on Ebay.
Usually, you apply the term "depreciation" strictly in an accounting sense to place marketable values for companies and individuals to record capital and business assets for bookeepings/financial statements and tax purposes, respectively. I suggest you become more familiar with the term before applying it in your argument.
Well... aren't you "cute."
Are we in an accounting class? No we aren't. Usually people in the real world use the term "depreciation" in an English language sense, and not an "accounting sense" (you are familiar with the English language, right?). Like this here:
Main Entry: de·pre·ci·ate
Pronunciation: \di-ˈprē-shē-ˌāt\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): de·pre·ci·at·ed; de·pre·ci·at·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin depretiatus, past participle of depretiare, from Latin de- + pretium price more at price
Date: 15th century
transitive verb 1 : to lower in estimation or esteem
2 a : to lower the price or estimated value of <depreciate property> b : to deduct from taxable income a portion of the original cost of (a business asset) over several years as the value of the asset decreases
So basically what I guess I'm trying to say is: I suggest you buy a dictionary before you try to attempt to argue against the use of words by others, since your grasp of them is apparently lacking.
The idea that these ingame items depreciate is just laughable and Vulcans would agree that it's "illogical." The items should remain exclusive =P
I find your lack of logic to be... disturbing.
Considering that you can currently buy the previously seventy dollar Deluxe Edition of the game now for about fifteen dollars then obviously the involved items have depreciated. Depreciation does not suggest degradation or decay, nor any loss of function, merely a loss of perceived value. Considering they are offered at retail now for less than a quarter of what they were offered for originally, obviously they have lost value.
So, your suggestion that they haven't is actually what is laughable.
Also, the idea that they should remain exclusive, without even offering a suggested time line thus seeming to imply "forever," is (perhaps a nice idea to some but) ultimately somewhat asinine. There was no guarantee of exclusivity for any length of time, and the term does not imply forever (if it did then you saying "remain exclusive" would be redundant, and it is not). Exclusivity was granted for almost half a year. Is that too little? Too much? Well that's somewhat irrelevant as it's a judgment call and finding any type of consensus on the matter would be impossible. In the end the decision was Cryptic's and it has been made.
If you thought exclusivity implied forever, or even a long stretch of time, you must have been out of the gaming loop for the last sixteen years if you haven't realized that "exclusive" almost invariably means "timed exclusive" now in this particular industry since Sony introduced the Playstation console and it's many "exclusive" third party titles over the years.
So... you fail at trying to be Vulcan. Try romulan instead, you might have better results.
This is a good reasoning but... I'm just a little ****ed at the earliness of it. They reduced the price VERY early and now they give out these items still marked as "exclusives" on every store only 5 months after release...
I do admit it's a risk betting on digital stuff being exclusive but I think they should respect more their early buyers.
The timing is... questionable, but no matter when it happened it would have been, even if it never happened the people wanting it would have been questioning. Yeah, a year or more probably would have been better, and add more value to future promotions, but ultimately five months is still a significant chunk of time, with most retail gaming products finding their way into the bargain bins well before that milestone.
If you weren't playing WOW on release to have the original bonus pet then you don't have it. That is the industry standard as most long term players of MMO's probably know. This is a pretty major breach of Etiquette by Cryptic.
One example is not the industry standard, especially when that one example is from World of Warcraft which functions, as a business, so far beyond the industry standard as to be a complete anomaly.
Plus I think this is a pretty short sighted move by Cryptic. It establishes the precedent that when you buy new Cryptic games just get the cheapest version available, which will hurt initial ROI.
You do realize most of this stuff was free pre-order bonuses which are now being charged for, right? So you actually got a lot of it with the cheapest iteration. The two versions which were offered at a cost (the Deluxe and Collector's Editions) are still available, now at a lower price (as one would expect from an older title).
Also, the communicator, the art book, the Red Matter Capacitor, the Buddy Passes, the Automated Defence Battery, nor the shiny packaging those editions came with are in the C-Store.
Perversely, I think it will, again long term, reduce C-Store sales as it removes the urgency to make purchases quickly and in a timely fashion. Since we all know now that what's available today will be available basically forever I know longer have any sense of urgency to get things now.
Did you really think the C-Store was planned to be a collection of limited time offers that would be put up then promptly thrown in the garbage? Really? Something gave you this idea?
But hey, I'm a professional accountant that does budgeting for Fortune 50 companies, and not a game designer, so what would i know?
Okay... so what would you know? Maybe you have an excellent business mind, or maybe you don't. You just said you're an accountant. You're position doesn't imply that you're an executive making important marketing decisions, just that you're crunching their numbers. In reality you could have swapped for "accountant" for "janitor" and "budgeting" for "floor cleaning" in your example and it would have been about as relevant to the situation (though admittedly less prestigious).
Also, I would hight doubt that it's Cryptic's design staff that is making decisions regarding the C-Store. I don't think the people coming up with game mechanics or making models and textures are the ones behind these decisions. Realistically it might not even be someone at Cryptic, but instead the brass at Atari.
Let me preface by stating I've both CO and STO pre-launch Lifetime subscriptions and I bought the DDE, so I've several of the perks in question.
That said, I've never understood the need to deprive others of something to find enjoyment in the possession of it. It's just small. They all should be made available as Veterans' Benefits or C-Store items at some point; sooner rather than later I'd hope.
I always get a little nervous when I see someone being reasonable on the Internet... I think that is actually one of the signs of the apocalypse. Quick... do something crazy and malignant to put my mind at ease!
But yes, not being an early adopter should mean that you do not get the perks of being an early adopter. If you didnt buy gold when it was valued at less than half what its valued at today you dont get a do over.
And if you buy then gold prices go down?
And if you miss a sale that doesn't mean what you wanted to buy is forever off the table because you're late to the party, you just have to pay slightly more. You only have to worry when you're dealing with limited quantities and in this case we aren't. If you buy the game now at it's current market value you aren't getting these bonus items for free, while the pre-order offers allowed for that at launch.
Games like STO (and really all of them) need early adopters in order to survive. One of the things I consider when deciding if Im going to be one or wait 6 months before some of the kinks are worked out is whether or not there is any incentive to being an early adopter. What Cryptic is telling me is that when it comes to their games no, there is no incentive to be an early adopter.
You aren't getting your Veteran rewards? You should contract Cryptic's customer service department then. If you were an early adopter you should have your first package unlocked, and be about halfway to your second.
Same thing here with exclusive content. Whether it be participation in an event or by purchasing a specific product if you dont do those things you miss the rewards for doing so.
And to people that chose not to adopt early in order to get exclusive content that was your choice to forgo those rewards. Why do you deserve them now?
(And for people that complain that xyz wasnt available in their area, if youre playing an online game then you have access to Internet, where these things could have been acquired. I have no idea what a Del Taco even is, but I got the shuttle by paying $5 on Ebay)
You can still buy a lot of this stuff on Ebay, maybe all of it. So you're kind of discounting your own argument. You didn't take part in the Del Taco promotion, you just paid to get the "reward" why do you deserve the reward you paid for, for the promotion you didn't take part in, while Sammy Somebody doesn't get to do the same?
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Some model railway items sell for £400+, even though they were less than £100 originally.
And I don't object to Cryptic putting the items in C-Store, just the earliness of it.
Usually, you apply the term "depreciation" strictly in an accounting sense to place marketable values for companies and individuals to record capital and business assets for bookeepings/financial statements and tax purposes, respectively. I suggest you become more familiar with the term before applying it in your argument.
The idea that these ingame items depreciate is just laughable and Vulcans would agree that it's "illogical." The items should remain exclusive =P
at first i was WTF? i paid extra money on my colectors ed for the sole reason to get some of those "exclusive" items, and now they are just going to offer them to anyone?'
and then i thought, well when do we ever see any of them? grouping in this game outside end game STF or pvp is almost non existant, and most of them only really effect early ranks.
so i guess it boils down to what MGDawson said, its just far to soon, prob should of waited for the 1 year mark or so
You can get tos unforms fro free theres a thread about it in the online discussion thread and the khaan uniform too if you google it
This is from "Star Wreck" isn't it?
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=142516:cool:
This is a good reasoning but... I'm just a little ****ed at the earliness of it. They reduced the price VERY early and now they give out these items still marked as "exclusives" on every store only 5 months after release...
I do admit it's a risk betting on digital stuff being exclusive but I think they should respect more their early buyers.
Is the game dying or something?
http://www.startrekonline.com/store
Yet another terrible decision by a company that seems intent on driving it's customer base away. Shame on me for buying a lifetime membership. I really wish I hadn't bothered and won't be bothering with any Cryptic game again after all this TRIBBLE.
Starting to look like it. It certainly is dead to me, at least.
I haven't played since 3 weeks after release. I was only levle 12 and was very repetitive. Since then, I've been too busy playing other games. Gonna give it a go tonight I think... but I don't feel like it.
you know what all you naysayers out there qqing about these new cstore items. If you want bragging rights I tell you what. Listen or read carefuilly. Because I'm so tired fo seeing you whiners in game complaining. QUIT PLAYING DELETE THE GAME FROM YOUR COMPUTER PROBLEM SOLVED. Then if you want a game where you can brag and show off your epeen please go play world of warcraft. There you can sit in dalaran all day showing off pretty mounts and rare mounts and be hardcore and show off all the exlcusivity you want bro.
Please by all means quit playing this boring game that you think is dying. I for one quit playing wow to get away from players like you guys and I came to star trek. Guess why I came to star trek this might come as a shocker. I love star trek. I have no complaints what so ever about the game. I'm glad they put the uniforms on the c-store. I'd rather pay the 10 bucks for the two uniform sets than have to spend 50 bucks for the damn collector's edition. That was your choice to spend 50 bucks or what ever you spent on additional copies. I'm on a fixed income so this works out perfect for me. Again i re-iterate if you don't like it then quit problem solved. Have a pleasant day and if you choose to go to world of warcraft with your epeen toting friends in this thread then enjoy. However the rest of us who love star trek and who are grateful for the changes to the c-store will continue to enjoy the game and the incoming changes.
That said, I've never understood the need to deprive others of something to find enjoyment in the possession of it. It's just small. They all should be made available as Veterans' Benefits or C-Store items at some point; sooner rather than later I'd hope.
yes but there are those players out there I've found rather quickly in playing this game for my first two months that in both this game and in wow that want bragging rights and I'm sick of those players. I mean the game is fun but eventually you get tired of those players being in the zone or making post after post on the forums saying please stop making these exlcusive items available to everyone or please stop doing this or blah blah blah just so they can keep their silly epeen bragging rights. I mean if they want their epeen rights to bad let them go make their own damn game so they can get in a circle and jerk their epeens.
I wonder how Del Taco and any future sponsors of Cryptic games feels about this...
I have no interest in "depriving" people of things they could have bought but didn't. But, if items aren't going to be exclusive then I ask Cryptic not to sell them to me as such.
I checked my box and my online orders. No where does it say""Temporarily Exclusive".
If you weren't playing WOW on release to have the original bonus pet then you don't have it. That is the industry standard as most long term players of MMO's probably know. This is a pretty major breach of Etiquette by Cryptic.
Plus I think this is a pretty short sighted move by Cryptic. It establishes the precedent that when you buy new Cryptic games just get the cheapest version available, which will hurt initial ROI. I think its a big mistake as a business decision (unless Cryptic is either not going to release any new games or is sitting on piles and piles of excess capital so it can absorb expenses for new games with less initial revenue)
Perversely, I think it will, again long term, reduce C-Store sales as it removes the urgency to make purchases quickly and in a timely fashion. Since we all know now that what's available today will be available basically forever I know longer have any sense of urgency to get things now.
I wouldn't have done it.
But hey, I'm a professional accountant that does budgeting for Fortune 50 companies, and not a game designer, so what would i know?
This. 5 months after release is crazy. If I ever buy a Cryptic game again, I will certainly not buy the "Special" or "Collector's" edition.
*applauds* Well said!!!
K, relax dude.
The special items on C-Store should be there, but later on in the game's lifecycle. I agree with the poster who said they should be altered somewhat as well. I found it odd that they had already had a "welcome back" weekend. I think that people are already leaving the game and this is another attempt to entice them back. The fact that they're pushing these extras out so fast is just plain disrespectful to the early supporters.
As for the CE or DDE editions, yes no one forced anyone to buy them, but by the same token, people bought them because they wanted the little extras (ie: nice art book and nice pin) that made the experience extra nice.
Taking the "like it or lump it" stance is nothing but counter-productive to the evolution of the game (if any). You know what you get when everything's uniform in a community? Boredom and people leaving.
My 2 cents.
The only thing I have mentioned that I could get was the DS9 Uniform IF I paid £50 (About $65-$70) for what is essencially just a skin change. Most of the things that have put on there, I dont really care about. The people who pre-ordered still have a red matter capacitor and blue phasers. I felt jealous in a patrol mission in the Vulcan sector (Yes, I started again as a Caitian as most people seem to have done) and there were three or four TOS Connies in an open instance team, only one of which ahd said items.
Its not going to kill me not having blue phasers though, I love this game, always have done always will. And I am happy that the items are here... items that in my honest opinion should of been there from the start. Only the truly worthwhile items should be collectors edition only which I believe Cryptic are now finally doing.
Thank you Cryptic... From the bottom of my happy Caitian heart - MEOW!
I think most of the complaints are from people who are moree annoied that the rest of the community was right. Time and Time again they were told that buying multiple copies was ludicrous as the items would eventually be on C-Store... now they, they are angry
-MEOW-
And by the way, nothing about the word "exclusive" denotes "in perpetuity". Never being able to get something by any means would be *definitively* "depriving" anyone who bought the game some time after initial availability of the pertinent items. Learn to share your toys and get over yourself.
But yes, not being an early adopter should mean that you do not get the perks of being an early adopter. If you didnt buy gold when it was valued at less than half what its valued at today you dont get a do over. If you missed a one-time only sale at your favorite store then you missed it and you dont get to take advantage of it.
Games like STO (and really all of them) need early adopters in order to survive. One of the things I consider when deciding if Im going to be one or wait 6 months before some of the kinks are worked out is whether or not there is any incentive to being an early adopter. What Cryptic is telling me is that when it comes to their games no, there is no incentive to be an early adopter.
And Cryptic, at one point at least, understood this when they put out the Tamarian Envoy perks as a way of saying thanks to its customers that continued to log in over a weekend where service was quite spotty. Should those perks now be available to everyone? What that effectively says is that they appreciated our participation (time and/or money) at the time, but now that that time is in the past, to hell with us.
I dont really get that feeling from any of the other MMOs Ive played. WOW offered a special pet for its birthday and if you werent there you dont have it. It was a reward for doing something specific, and the people that didnt do that dont get the reward. Anarchy Online did the same thing with the explorer packs. If you werent there from launch you didnt get one. It was a reward for participation and it only went out to participants.
Same thing here with exclusive content. Whether it be participation in an event or by purchasing a specific product if you dont do those things you miss the rewards for doing so.
And to people that chose not to adopt early in order to get exclusive content that was your choice to forgo those rewards. Why do you deserve them now?
(And for people that complain that xyz wasnt available in their area, if youre playing an online game then you have access to Internet, where these things could have been acquired. I have no idea what a Del Taco even is, but I got the shuttle by paying $5 on Ebay)
From now on if I see a cryptic game or expansion pack with exclusive content I wont buy it, whats the point? And unless the game is something Im just dying to play Ill probably wait my customary six months before buying it, like so many of the people that are currently complaining they were left out. If Cryptic thinks that forgoing some percentage of early adopters is in their long term financial interest then more power to them.
But shame on them for making this change and telling players whom they rewarded for their effort
Hey, thanks for helping out back then, but what have you done for me lately?
The problem being that most of these things aren't particularly rare as many of the items can still be gained by buying the involved product. The Deluxe and Collector's Editions can still easily be purchased, for instance, from many retailers and currently at a discounted price from launch. You can also find a number of code-based items up on Ebay.
Well... aren't you "cute."
Are we in an accounting class? No we aren't. Usually people in the real world use the term "depreciation" in an English language sense, and not an "accounting sense" (you are familiar with the English language, right?). Like this here:
So basically what I guess I'm trying to say is: I suggest you buy a dictionary before you try to attempt to argue against the use of words by others, since your grasp of them is apparently lacking.
And as far as this goes...
I find your lack of logic to be... disturbing.
Considering that you can currently buy the previously seventy dollar Deluxe Edition of the game now for about fifteen dollars then obviously the involved items have depreciated. Depreciation does not suggest degradation or decay, nor any loss of function, merely a loss of perceived value. Considering they are offered at retail now for less than a quarter of what they were offered for originally, obviously they have lost value.
So, your suggestion that they haven't is actually what is laughable.
Also, the idea that they should remain exclusive, without even offering a suggested time line thus seeming to imply "forever," is (perhaps a nice idea to some but) ultimately somewhat asinine. There was no guarantee of exclusivity for any length of time, and the term does not imply forever (if it did then you saying "remain exclusive" would be redundant, and it is not). Exclusivity was granted for almost half a year. Is that too little? Too much? Well that's somewhat irrelevant as it's a judgment call and finding any type of consensus on the matter would be impossible. In the end the decision was Cryptic's and it has been made.
If you thought exclusivity implied forever, or even a long stretch of time, you must have been out of the gaming loop for the last sixteen years if you haven't realized that "exclusive" almost invariably means "timed exclusive" now in this particular industry since Sony introduced the Playstation console and it's many "exclusive" third party titles over the years.
So... you fail at trying to be Vulcan. Try romulan instead, you might have better results.
The timing is... questionable, but no matter when it happened it would have been, even if it never happened the people wanting it would have been questioning. Yeah, a year or more probably would have been better, and add more value to future promotions, but ultimately five months is still a significant chunk of time, with most retail gaming products finding their way into the bargain bins well before that milestone.
Did it say "Eternally Exclusive" somewhere?
One example is not the industry standard, especially when that one example is from World of Warcraft which functions, as a business, so far beyond the industry standard as to be a complete anomaly.
You do realize most of this stuff was free pre-order bonuses which are now being charged for, right? So you actually got a lot of it with the cheapest iteration. The two versions which were offered at a cost (the Deluxe and Collector's Editions) are still available, now at a lower price (as one would expect from an older title).
Also, the communicator, the art book, the Red Matter Capacitor, the Buddy Passes, the Automated Defence Battery, nor the shiny packaging those editions came with are in the C-Store.
Did you really think the C-Store was planned to be a collection of limited time offers that would be put up then promptly thrown in the garbage? Really? Something gave you this idea?
Okay... so what would you know? Maybe you have an excellent business mind, or maybe you don't. You just said you're an accountant. You're position doesn't imply that you're an executive making important marketing decisions, just that you're crunching their numbers. In reality you could have swapped for "accountant" for "janitor" and "budgeting" for "floor cleaning" in your example and it would have been about as relevant to the situation (though admittedly less prestigious).
Also, I would hight doubt that it's Cryptic's design staff that is making decisions regarding the C-Store. I don't think the people coming up with game mechanics or making models and textures are the ones behind these decisions. Realistically it might not even be someone at Cryptic, but instead the brass at Atari.
I always get a little nervous when I see someone being reasonable on the Internet... I think that is actually one of the signs of the apocalypse. Quick... do something crazy and malignant to put my mind at ease!
And if you buy then gold prices go down?
And if you miss a sale that doesn't mean what you wanted to buy is forever off the table because you're late to the party, you just have to pay slightly more. You only have to worry when you're dealing with limited quantities and in this case we aren't. If you buy the game now at it's current market value you aren't getting these bonus items for free, while the pre-order offers allowed for that at launch.
You aren't getting your Veteran rewards? You should contract Cryptic's customer service department then. If you were an early adopter you should have your first package unlocked, and be about halfway to your second.
Because you paid for them?
You can still buy a lot of this stuff on Ebay, maybe all of it. So you're kind of discounting your own argument. You didn't take part in the Del Taco promotion, you just paid to get the "reward" why do you deserve the reward you paid for, for the promotion you didn't take part in, while Sammy Somebody doesn't get to do the same?