I have 7 total referrals that have paid for the game & their 30 days of gametime after the first month was up. They all play in my fleet.
I am sure there are other people with real referrals, since I managed to get 7.
Not everyone thinks like you and will just hand over money for something, some of us do it properly.
sigh....
no more people to get.... sea is dry....
am i supposed to freqent other communities on the web, who have clear rules against such behavior, and ADVERTISE?!?
you had 7 guys (so what... 7 times you still is you) available - good for you. now shut it.
Nothing on the referral program should become C-Store available. Reason: they're available by a different method. Pre-order bonuses aren't available at all any more and that's why they're being added.
I think the AGT Galaxy looks dumb anyway.
Except for the MU uniform every "bonus" item on the list of items being released to the C-Store is still available, either from a retail store or digital download.
No, you obviously did not actually THINK when writing that.
You, like just about everyone like you miss the vital point of our complaints:
3.) Its incredibly unfair to those people who simply are not in the position to con (err... refer...) 5 people into this game.
The choice of a fully functioning, fan favorite ship that offers several special abilities is the main reason this is such an hotly discussed issue.
On top of a heckload of crpytic points they add a structurally (cloak, cannons, special weapon) superior ship.
Its not just a ship skin, or a slight modification of what everyone else has. Its a complete and total departure from what everyone else gets. Not to mention the fluff related (cloaks!!!!) problems it has:
Why can this ship mounts heavy cannons when everyone else is locked out?
4.) They cou'd have added a multitude of things instead a whole freaking ship.
a transwarp ability thats lets you choose the destination?
a boost to sectorspace speed?
eternally free respecs?
Bonus free play time?
Get all pre order perks and items? After all, those were done right - no major impact on the game.
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I'd really like to see if the reffered people actually stay on longer than a month/60 days gtc time.
My suspicion is: they won't. Since they are no real referrals but a select number of people who forked over ~ 150$ to get this huge, 3 naccelled MacGuffn.
Job well done cryptic, bill ropers influence is strong in you.
your missing the point i made, if there were enough people out there who are dedicated to the game and every one of them were friends everyone would have the ship. there is absolutly NO reason cryptic should want hundreds perhaps thousands of these ships dominating the servers. if you want to cheat.. go spend the money yourself, if you want to actualy bring cryptic some revenue that they normaly wouldn't have find people who aren't your friends to give it a try, the 4 i have sent out accepted and signed up and i don't know them personaly.and your right about one thing though we usualy do try and get our friends to play with us(this is normal) and because the ship is a "reward" for signing up 5 people, it totaly is fair. and just because its a fan fav. ship is no excuse to whine about it..."oh its not fair, im not in the position to get it" "let me buy it or find some other way to get it." what makes you think your so mighty? if cryptic and many other mmo creators out there followed that model, they would just put everything on the c-store or give every promotional item or reward to everyone, and make the whole idea pointless.
Yea put the Galaxy-X in the C-Store.. your grabbing for money Cryptic.. there ya go..
So what if it ****es off the people that earned it by tricking friends.. you did the same to us lifers by giving our "exclusives" to anyone that plays for a few months.. and I forked out a heap of my own money to get it.. yet my rewards get given out to all.. do the same with the Galaxy-X.. either C-Store it or make it worth a hell of a lot of daily medals.. would make doing the dailies actually worth something at least !
this whole thread is pointless when it comes to the Galaxy-X being put on the c-store.
1: there is no reason for it
2: if everyone was ment to have one, it would have either been in the game to begin with or already been in the c-store as a skin and upgrade for the curent 1701-D
3: just because you dont' want or can't get friends or others to play a game is no reason to whine and say "just let me buy it, others have it, i should get it too." what makes you so special?
4: the people who do get it either worked hard for it to get the referals or bought the game 5 times and payed for 5 months. thats worth a perk or two.
5: there have already been way to many "exclusives/bonus" that already mean absolutly nothing because of whiners that feel they should have it too given to them, the people who got them in the begining got it because either they were in a position to or like me support the game and also happen to be a collector or have the money to spend. but thats no reason to make every perk/bonus or reward available to everyone just because your unwilling or unable to fulfill the requirements for the perk/bonus/reward.
i petition for a dev/mod to close the thread.
Considering they use "exclusive" referring to both Special Edition bonuses and the AGT Galaxy referal offer, I can see it being in C-Store within the next 3 months
And then we can have the discussion all over again.
Considering they use "exclusive" referring to both Special Edition bonuses and the AGT Galaxy referal offer, I can see it being in C-Store within the next 3 months
And then we can have the discussion all over again.
except the AGT galaxy you actualy have to do something for it. or cheat and buy the copies and 5 months yourself.
You had to do something for the pre-order exclusives. Order a special edition. What makes you think the AGT G-X will stay "refer a friend" only?
Exclusive is all relative.:D
i don't but it just is such a waist otherwise, oooh, so ordering a special edition is the same as promoting the game? don't think so. mmm, spending your money is the same as having potentialy more players and thus more revenue for cryptic?
its a pointless disgussion, one way or the other people like the whiners are going to either get what they want, find a way around it and cheat or they won't.
but then again, its people like you that just "expect it to be so" and don't care that propogate pointless disgussions like this, its amazing how many people whine when they don't get what they expect out of a new game when it comes to rewards/bonus... oh sorry perhaps i should say entitlements in thier eyes.
look, no insult intended with this and im not trying to troll, its just a fact. if the AGT galaxy ends up in the c-store, it does, the whole point is that a reward today, purchased tomorow is, one, a bad business model, and two makes the whole point of a reward pointless, just like any other gold/credit/unit based mmo economy, you see an item on the exchange thats rare and everyone wants it, so what do people do, they go and buy the gold to get it, they didn't work for it or do what they should have to get it, they don't deserve it since they cheated.
its a pointless disgussion, one way or the other people like the whiners are going to either get what they want, find a way around it and cheat or they won't.
but then again, its people like you that just "expect it to be so" and don't care that propogate pointless disgussions like this, its amazing how many people whine when they don't get what they expect out of a new game when it comes to rewards/bonus... oh sorry perhaps i should say entitlements in thier eyes.
The whiners have already won. Look at the list of "exclusives" being offered on the C-Store. It's just a matter of time before they put the Galaxy-X up there.
My ways of thinking have changed. Let it remain exclusive. The game needs something that actually REMAINS exclusive that people need to work hard for. Besides, it's not as if there's a time limit on getting friends ingame in order to actually get this thing, right? Point 2: In Season 2, the rank/skill cap is raised to 2 star Admiral / General. While this doesn't necessarily mean we'll get a new tier of starship, if there is an added tier, won't the T6 ships be better in some ways than the T5 AGT Galaxy?
this whole thread is pointless when it comes to the Galaxy-X being put on the c-store..
Your opinion.
1: there is no reason for it
There is, we want it, simple really.
2: if everyone was ment to have one, it would have either been in the game to begin with or already been in the c-store as a skin and upgrade for the curent 1701-D
Just like the life time sub & pre order "exclusives" huh ?
3: just because you dont' want or can't get friends or others to play a game is no reason to whine and say "just let me buy it, others have it, i should get it too." what makes you so special?
Or maybe we already have or tried to get our friends in game already, before this offer.. that or our friends can read reviews !
4: the people who do get it either worked hard for it to get the referals or bought the game 5 times and payed for 5 months. thats worth a perk or two.
Yea, gotta prove what an idiot you are if you spent your own money 5 times etc for a new ship
5: there have already been way to many "exclusives/bonus" that already mean absolutly nothing because of whiners that feel they should have it too given to them, the people who got them in the begining got it because either they were in a position to or like me support the game and also happen to be a collector or have the money to spend. but thats no reason to make every perk/bonus or reward available to everyone just because your unwilling or unable to fulfill the requirements for the perk/bonus/reward.
I agree, all my perks, rewards, exclusives etc are now up for anyone to have.. If I got bent over so much so can you guys we have all been crying for new ships for ages.. yet only a select few get one ?
At least put up a different ship that the masses can buy for a change, make everyone happy.. and get more money.. but that would have been a smart thing to do.. something ive not seen much of from this game
It's quite simple, really. The Galaxy-X will remain a referral bonus until Cryptic decides they've milked it for as much as they can via that channel. At that point, they'll say "Look - many players want it, and for some the referral program isn't an option. So in the interests of making the most players happy, we're putting it in the C-Store. We're sorry if that upsets some people, and we certainly don't mean to do so, but we try and make the majority of our players happy, and this is the way forward. Thank you for your understanding."
Then it'll be in the C-Store for around the same price as the "classic" Enterprise.
It's work they'll have already done, and it'll make them money, so that's what they'll do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
just keep complaining about it not being a c-store item. get some friends to join your effort. keep at it for four months. and *poof* the exclusive ship will become a c-store option. Cryptic proven solution to your issue.
just keep complaining about it not being a c-store item. get some friends to join your effort. keep at it for four months. and *poof* the exclusive ship will become a c-store option. Cryptic proven solution to your issue.
yep, a compleate waste of time, effort and inteligence, no one can look but two feet in front of them, always what they want not whats good for the game. with all the greedy trolls its a wonder this game didn't go free to play with only a few quests and you have to pay for each quest an any upgrades in the c-store.
yep, a compleate waste of time, effort and inteligence, no one can look but two feet in front of them, always what they want not whats good for the game. with all the greedy trolls its a wonder this game didn't go free to play with only a few quests and you have to pay for each quest an any upgrades in the c-store.
I dont see it as greed, I see it as a lack of fairness..
I have no prob with referals getting a new ship, but stick a different new ship up on the C Store for the rest and EVERYONE is happy.. well of course not everyone Cryptic gets extra money, as they will still get the same amount of work from players getting referals for that ship, and the money from everyone else buying the new ship.... but as I said above, that would be a smart thing to do IMO.
Theres no way I can get 5 referals, I got or tried to get all my friends in on the game way before this came out.. so im SOL
I guess not that it really matters, at some stage T6 ships will turn up and all this is a waste
They must really need subs though, look at the forums, populated by lifers
i don't see how someone willing or able to get new sub's getting a ship and others not isn't fair.
thats like saying someone who sits on thier a** and watches security cammera's all day should get paid the same as someone doing hard labor, what? the person sitting on his butt should get compensated for the hard laborer getting paid more? thats obserd.
as for the refferals getting the AGT galaxy being a waste when T6 ships come out, perhaps, but generaly its the avid trekies and collectors who will get them regardless.
i don't see how someone willing or able to get new sub's getting a ship and others not isn't fair.
thats like saying someone who sits on thier a** and watches security cammera's all day should get paid the same as someone doing hard labor, what? the person sitting on his butt should get compensated for the hard laborer getting paid more? thats obserd.
What sort of idiotic example is that ? it doesnt even make any sense in this context
Im not saying that that referals getting a ship for themselves is unfair, I said whats unfair is that everyone else, including us lifers that preordered the game etc.. get no new ship but had all our so called excusives taken away and given to the masses... so at least they should have done another ship as well for the C Store. So then the referals still get the ship for themselves, and everyone else gets something new to play with.
as for the refferals getting the AGT galaxy being a waste when T6 ships come out, perhaps, but generaly its the avid trekies and collectors who will get them regardless.
Of course, read my previous post, that what I said, and if they offered another ship to keep the rest happy they would win both ways..
What sort of idiotic example is that ? it doesnt even make any sense in this context
Im not saying that that referals getting a ship for themselves is unfair, I said whats unfair is that everyone else, including us lifers that preordered the game etc.. get no new ship but had all our so called excusives taken away and given to the masses... so at least they should have done another ship as well for the C Store. So then the referals still get the ship for themselves, and everyone else gets something new to play with.
Of course, read my previous post, that what I said, and if they offered another ship to keep the rest happy they would win both ways..
But meh..
that example makes plenty of sence, your still rewarding people who can't or won't do whats necisary to get the AGT galaxy, because the people who do, get it.
yes, i aagree that it's unfair that cryptic put our(lfers/pre-order) "exclusives" on the c-store. they shouldn't have done it, however, just because they did, is no reason to make yet another posible exclusive/reward a common item.
you do things often enough or that have enough of an impact on others and then it becomes expected, so because they put other exclusives/rewards on the c-store, everyone just says oh okay, why haven't you put the AGT galaxy on there, its not fair.
now, that being said.
IF, the underlining cause could actualy be split in two witch, im sorry to say, i dont' think it can.
say,
1: they shouldn't have put the exclusives on the c-store, we deserve compensation... a new ship would be nice...
2: cryptic gives the refferals (and only the refferals) the AGT galaxy
everyone has thier own oppinion on what is an apropriate compensation, it just wouldn't work, plenty of people would say, no, our exclusives are put on the c-store, we deserve the AGT too.
In any case, "hey, you gave that kid a cookie, i wan't one." "oh, here is a piece of gum" how do you think that kid getting the piece of gum would react if aparently they wanted the cookie?
and yes, i also take into consideration things like the captians table and so on will be available to non-lifers and that people think that is unfair too.
and let me be clear, im not saying that the events unfolding are proper or fair, im mearly saying that it's a never ending cycle once it's rolling and therefore cryptic should nip it in the bud and keep the AGT as refferal only, and if the people want a new ship to use, they should do whats necisary to get the AGT.
that way, when a new exclusive or reward comes out, people dont' complain about "oh, the refferal people got the AGT last time, make it so the refferal people can't get this one"
so in a nut shell:
refferal exclusives (only) get AGT - others are ****y
give others a new ship even if its a c-store item - people are ****y ( i want the AGT)
give the others nothing - refferals are happy
give the others exclusive(non-AGT) - you still have people who are ****y either way
give everyone the AGT(makes it non-exclusive) everyone is happy and makes the whole point of a reward pointless. i would like to mention that even from the begining cryptic said that in the future they were looking to add the pre-order stuff on the c-store. and im sure it will eventualy, at least in a bussiness model like thiers, the AGT will too, once a new exclusive comes around.
just nip it in the bud,
make one (or more, who knows) exclusive or hard to obtain item and keep it that way.
the people were warned that the pre-order might end up on the c-store (yes, pritty much made the point of pre-ordering pointless) but warned none the less, thats no reason to make the refferal reward equaly pointless.
it's the people who can't handle others getting something for what they do when they don't WANT to do it themselves and complain about not getting it that obliterate any reward system (in ANY game)
"oh the tangled webs we weave"
"thats not fair..." "no, it's not, but that's life"
by the way, i fail to see how rich, expensive, funny-shaped, yellow, eggy buns has to do with the dissgussion.
Its all pointless anyway, it will end up in the C Store at some stage, prob when they come out with T6 ships and the T5's will just be a toy, kinda like adding the original Enterprise to the C Store now.. its useless to us that already have our chars at RA5 but there will be many that buy it for the sake of having it, im still ****ed though as that was one of the "exclusives" I got from the start....
Cryptic know this, and will abuse that fact like they did with all our so called excusives.. if they can do that to us that pre ordered and paid for the life time sub from the start, before even playing the game then they have no morals whatsoever when it comes to things like this so it will happen again will bend us all over for the sake of a few bucks more.
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with anyone but I'd like to make a couple points to any Cryptic employees who happen to see this:
Recently, you made several bonus and promotional items non-exclusive and offered them in the C-Store. Your official explanation for this is a majority of players asked for this to happen and you listened. You did not listen to the minority who had these items and did not want them to be sold.
All over the forums, players are discussing how to obtain the Galaxy-X the fastest. One known method is to buy retail boxes and subscriptions for yourself instead of inviting friends. Cryptic's policy on this is to accept payment even though these players are not participating in the RAF Program as it was designed. Therefore, Cryptic is indirectly selling the Galaxy-X instead of it being only a recruiting reward.
From the moment the Galaxy-X was announced a majority of players wanted this ship to be non-exclusive to the RAF program. I now refer you back to Point #1.
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with anyone but I'd like to make a couple points to any Cryptic employees who happen to see this:
Recently, you made several bonus and promotional items non-exclusive and offered them in the C-Store. Your official explanation for this is a majority of players asked for this to happen and you listened. You did not listen to the minority who had these items and did not want them to be sold.
All over the forums, players are discussing how to obtain the Galaxy-X the fastest. One known method is to buy retail boxes and subscriptions for yourself instead of inviting friends. Cryptic's policy on this is to accept payment even though these players are not participating in the RAF Program as it was designed. Therefore, Cryptic is indirectly selling the Galaxy-X instead of it being only a recruiting reward.
From the moment the Galaxy-X was announced a majority of players wanted this ship to be non-exclusive to the RAF program. I now refer you back to Point #1.
I was against the exclusives going into the cstore. As long as cryptic is going to keep using the cop out the majority of the playerbase wants it everything will sadly end up in the cstore because the have nots always outnumber the haves. The majority of your playerbase didn't want different exclusives tied to different versions of the game but you did it anyway so why do you claim the majority of the playerbase wants this and claim to listen to your players you didnt then?
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with anyone but I'd like to make a couple points to any Cryptic employees who happen to see this:
Recently, you made several bonus and promotional items non-exclusive and offered them in the C-Store. Your official explanation for this is a majority of players asked for this to happen and you listened. You did not listen to the minority who had these items and did not want them to be sold.
All over the forums, players are discussing how to obtain the Galaxy-X the fastest. One known method is to buy retail boxes and subscriptions for yourself instead of inviting friends. Cryptic's policy on this is to accept payment even though these players are not participating in the RAF Program as it was designed. Therefore, Cryptic is indirectly selling the Galaxy-X instead of it being only a recruiting reward.
From the moment the Galaxy-X was announced a majority of players wanted this ship to be non-exclusive to the RAF program. I now refer you back to Point #1.
No doubt. I been thinking the same thing. The logic used to justify the stocking of the store was doomed to failure from the premise. Anyway, I'm waiting to see what Cryptic does as I want to see if it is inconsistent as a matter of policy, ignorance or convenience. I for one will toss a bone to them.
I'm willing to pay 5000 points for it right now. I bet others would be as well. Then maybe in thirty days drop the price by 1000 points and thirty days after that drop it 1000 again. Then leave it at 3000 points as the normal price. That way they can have promotional specials with it and what not as well as do the refer a friend plan. It is a win/win for everyone methinks. The situation really such for those of us that already brought our friends into the game (sadly many left but that is a different story). It would be nice if they let existing ACTIVE accounts become a refereed account but I guess that would be considering the players way to much....
BTW: If I am contacted by Cryptic within 24 hours of this post I will pay 10,000 points for it as I really hate to wait for anything. This is especially so when money (a tool) can grease the wheels so to speak. I really do hope it can be used as a tac ship or I wont be happy...
There are already dozens of people who spent time and money acquiring this ship. If this ship is to be available to the general populous via C-Store, then it should be available at least a year or two after its initial launch. I am still adamant that the ship shouldn't be available via C-Store.
There are already dozens of people who spent time and money acquiring this ship. If this ship is to be available to the general populous via C-Store, then it should be available at least a year or two after its initial launch. I am still adamant that the ship shouldn't be available via C-Store.
I agree with you in principle to be sure. However sadly enough, Cryptic seems to have a different principle it operates by with regards to exclusivity and limited bonuses.
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no more people to get.... sea is dry....
am i supposed to freqent other communities on the web, who have clear rules against such behavior, and ADVERTISE?!?
you had 7 guys (so what... 7 times you still is you) available - good for you. now shut it.
Except for the MU uniform every "bonus" item on the list of items being released to the C-Store is still available, either from a retail store or digital download.
your missing the point i made, if there were enough people out there who are dedicated to the game and every one of them were friends everyone would have the ship. there is absolutly NO reason cryptic should want hundreds perhaps thousands of these ships dominating the servers. if you want to cheat.. go spend the money yourself, if you want to actualy bring cryptic some revenue that they normaly wouldn't have find people who aren't your friends to give it a try, the 4 i have sent out accepted and signed up and i don't know them personaly.and your right about one thing though we usualy do try and get our friends to play with us(this is normal) and because the ship is a "reward" for signing up 5 people, it totaly is fair. and just because its a fan fav. ship is no excuse to whine about it..."oh its not fair, im not in the position to get it" "let me buy it or find some other way to get it." what makes you think your so mighty? if cryptic and many other mmo creators out there followed that model, they would just put everything on the c-store or give every promotional item or reward to everyone, and make the whole idea pointless.
This was a grinner
So what if it ****es off the people that earned it by tricking friends.. you did the same to us lifers by giving our "exclusives" to anyone that plays for a few months.. and I forked out a heap of my own money to get it.. yet my rewards get given out to all.. do the same with the Galaxy-X.. either C-Store it or make it worth a hell of a lot of daily medals.. would make doing the dailies actually worth something at least !
It seems like it's working!
The label changed from 1701 D to "Federation Dreadnaught Cruiser Reffferal" !!!
Ships are up hooray
1: there is no reason for it
2: if everyone was ment to have one, it would have either been in the game to begin with or already been in the c-store as a skin and upgrade for the curent 1701-D
3: just because you dont' want or can't get friends or others to play a game is no reason to whine and say "just let me buy it, others have it, i should get it too." what makes you so special?
4: the people who do get it either worked hard for it to get the referals or bought the game 5 times and payed for 5 months. thats worth a perk or two.
5: there have already been way to many "exclusives/bonus" that already mean absolutly nothing because of whiners that feel they should have it too given to them, the people who got them in the begining got it because either they were in a position to or like me support the game and also happen to be a collector or have the money to spend. but thats no reason to make every perk/bonus or reward available to everyone just because your unwilling or unable to fulfill the requirements for the perk/bonus/reward.
i petition for a dev/mod to close the thread.
And then we can have the discussion all over again.
except the AGT galaxy you actualy have to do something for it. or cheat and buy the copies and 5 months yourself.
i still petition for thread closure.
You had to do something for the pre-order exclusives. Order a special edition. What makes you think the AGT G-X will stay "refer a friend" only?
Exclusive is all relative.:D
i don't but it just is such a waist otherwise, oooh, so ordering a special edition is the same as promoting the game? don't think so. mmm, spending your money is the same as having potentialy more players and thus more revenue for cryptic?
its a pointless disgussion, one way or the other people like the whiners are going to either get what they want, find a way around it and cheat or they won't.
but then again, its people like you that just "expect it to be so" and don't care that propogate pointless disgussions like this, its amazing how many people whine when they don't get what they expect out of a new game when it comes to rewards/bonus... oh sorry perhaps i should say entitlements in thier eyes.
look, no insult intended with this and im not trying to troll, its just a fact. if the AGT galaxy ends up in the c-store, it does, the whole point is that a reward today, purchased tomorow is, one, a bad business model, and two makes the whole point of a reward pointless, just like any other gold/credit/unit based mmo economy, you see an item on the exchange thats rare and everyone wants it, so what do people do, they go and buy the gold to get it, they didn't work for it or do what they should have to get it, they don't deserve it since they cheated.
i still petition for thread closure
The whiners have already won. Look at the list of "exclusives" being offered on the C-Store. It's just a matter of time before they put the Galaxy-X up there.
Your opinion.
1: there is no reason for it
There is, we want it, simple really.
2: if everyone was ment to have one, it would have either been in the game to begin with or already been in the c-store as a skin and upgrade for the curent 1701-D
Just like the life time sub & pre order "exclusives" huh ?
3: just because you dont' want or can't get friends or others to play a game is no reason to whine and say "just let me buy it, others have it, i should get it too." what makes you so special?
Or maybe we already have or tried to get our friends in game already, before this offer.. that or our friends can read reviews !
4: the people who do get it either worked hard for it to get the referals or bought the game 5 times and payed for 5 months. thats worth a perk or two.
Yea, gotta prove what an idiot you are if you spent your own money 5 times etc for a new ship
5: there have already been way to many "exclusives/bonus" that already mean absolutly nothing because of whiners that feel they should have it too given to them, the people who got them in the begining got it because either they were in a position to or like me support the game and also happen to be a collector or have the money to spend. but thats no reason to make every perk/bonus or reward available to everyone just because your unwilling or unable to fulfill the requirements for the perk/bonus/reward.
I agree, all my perks, rewards, exclusives etc are now up for anyone to have.. If I got bent over so much so can you guys
At least put up a different ship that the masses can buy for a change, make everyone happy.. and get more money.. but that would have been a smart thing to do.. something ive not seen much of from this game
-i petition for a dev/mod to close the thread.
Why ? just cause you dont like it ?
Then it'll be in the C-Store for around the same price as the "classic" Enterprise.
It's work they'll have already done, and it'll make them money, so that's what they'll do. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
yep, a compleate waste of time, effort and inteligence, no one can look but two feet in front of them, always what they want not whats good for the game. with all the greedy trolls its a wonder this game didn't go free to play with only a few quests and you have to pay for each quest an any upgrades in the c-store.
I dont see it as greed, I see it as a lack of fairness..
I have no prob with referals getting a new ship, but stick a different new ship up on the C Store for the rest and EVERYONE is happy.. well of course not everyone
Theres no way I can get 5 referals, I got or tried to get all my friends in on the game way before this came out.. so im SOL
I guess not that it really matters, at some stage T6 ships will turn up and all this is a waste
They must really need subs though, look at the forums, populated by lifers
thats like saying someone who sits on thier a** and watches security cammera's all day should get paid the same as someone doing hard labor, what? the person sitting on his butt should get compensated for the hard laborer getting paid more? thats obserd.
as for the refferals getting the AGT galaxy being a waste when T6 ships come out, perhaps, but generaly its the avid trekies and collectors who will get them regardless.
What sort of idiotic example is that ? it doesnt even make any sense in this context
Im not saying that that referals getting a ship for themselves is unfair, I said whats unfair is that everyone else, including us lifers that preordered the game etc.. get no new ship but had all our so called excusives taken away and given to the masses... so at least they should have done another ship as well for the C Store. So then the referals still get the ship for themselves, and everyone else gets something new to play with.
Of course, read my previous post, that what I said, and if they offered another ship to keep the rest happy they would win both ways..
But meh..
that example makes plenty of sence, your still rewarding people who can't or won't do whats necisary to get the AGT galaxy, because the people who do, get it.
yes, i aagree that it's unfair that cryptic put our(lfers/pre-order) "exclusives" on the c-store. they shouldn't have done it, however, just because they did, is no reason to make yet another posible exclusive/reward a common item.
you do things often enough or that have enough of an impact on others and then it becomes expected, so because they put other exclusives/rewards on the c-store, everyone just says oh okay, why haven't you put the AGT galaxy on there, its not fair.
now, that being said.
IF, the underlining cause could actualy be split in two witch, im sorry to say, i dont' think it can.
say,
1: they shouldn't have put the exclusives on the c-store, we deserve compensation... a new ship would be nice...
2: cryptic gives the refferals (and only the refferals) the AGT galaxy
everyone has thier own oppinion on what is an apropriate compensation, it just wouldn't work, plenty of people would say, no, our exclusives are put on the c-store, we deserve the AGT too.
In any case, "hey, you gave that kid a cookie, i wan't one." "oh, here is a piece of gum" how do you think that kid getting the piece of gum would react if aparently they wanted the cookie?
and yes, i also take into consideration things like the captians table and so on will be available to non-lifers and that people think that is unfair too.
and let me be clear, im not saying that the events unfolding are proper or fair, im mearly saying that it's a never ending cycle once it's rolling and therefore cryptic should nip it in the bud and keep the AGT as refferal only, and if the people want a new ship to use, they should do whats necisary to get the AGT.
that way, when a new exclusive or reward comes out, people dont' complain about "oh, the refferal people got the AGT last time, make it so the refferal people can't get this one"
so in a nut shell:
refferal exclusives (only) get AGT - others are ****y
give others a new ship even if its a c-store item - people are ****y ( i want the AGT)
give the others nothing - refferals are happy
give the others exclusive(non-AGT) - you still have people who are ****y either way
give everyone the AGT(makes it non-exclusive) everyone is happy and makes the whole point of a reward pointless. i would like to mention that even from the begining cryptic said that in the future they were looking to add the pre-order stuff on the c-store. and im sure it will eventualy, at least in a bussiness model like thiers, the AGT will too, once a new exclusive comes around.
just nip it in the bud,
make one (or more, who knows) exclusive or hard to obtain item and keep it that way.
the people were warned that the pre-order might end up on the c-store (yes, pritty much made the point of pre-ordering pointless) but warned none the less, thats no reason to make the refferal reward equaly pointless.
it's the people who can't handle others getting something for what they do when they don't WANT to do it themselves and complain about not getting it that obliterate any reward system (in ANY game)
"oh the tangled webs we weave"
"thats not fair..." "no, it's not, but that's life"
by the way, i fail to see how rich, expensive, funny-shaped, yellow, eggy buns has to do with the dissgussion.
Its all pointless anyway, it will end up in the C Store at some stage, prob when they come out with T6 ships and the T5's will just be a toy, kinda like adding the original Enterprise to the C Store now.. its useless to us that already have our chars at RA5 but there will be many that buy it for the sake of having it, im still ****ed though as that was one of the "exclusives" I got from the start....
Cryptic know this, and will abuse that fact like they did with all our so called excusives.. if they can do that to us that pre ordered and paid for the life time sub from the start, before even playing the game then they have no morals whatsoever when it comes to things like this so it will happen again
So pointless subject..
I agree, whats eating cake got to do with it
Please make this happen and put the Galaxy-X in the C-Store as a majority of players have requested:
Galaxy-X Poll Thread
Galaxy-X Poll Link
I was against the exclusives going into the cstore. As long as cryptic is going to keep using the cop out the majority of the playerbase wants it everything will sadly end up in the cstore because the have nots always outnumber the haves. The majority of your playerbase didn't want different exclusives tied to different versions of the game but you did it anyway so why do you claim the majority of the playerbase wants this and claim to listen to your players you didnt then?
No doubt. I been thinking the same thing. The logic used to justify the stocking of the store was doomed to failure from the premise. Anyway, I'm waiting to see what Cryptic does as I want to see if it is inconsistent as a matter of policy, ignorance or convenience. I for one will toss a bone to them.
I'm willing to pay 5000 points for it right now. I bet others would be as well. Then maybe in thirty days drop the price by 1000 points and thirty days after that drop it 1000 again. Then leave it at 3000 points as the normal price. That way they can have promotional specials with it and what not as well as do the refer a friend plan. It is a win/win for everyone methinks. The situation really such for those of us that already brought our friends into the game (sadly many left but that is a different story). It would be nice if they let existing ACTIVE accounts become a refereed account but I guess that would be considering the players way to much....
BTW: If I am contacted by Cryptic within 24 hours of this post I will pay 10,000 points for it as I really hate to wait for anything. This is especially so when money (a tool) can grease the wheels so to speak. I really do hope it can be used as a tac ship or I wont be happy...
I agree with you in principle to be sure. However sadly enough, Cryptic seems to have a different principle it operates by with regards to exclusivity and limited bonuses.
no, i will hold my opinion to myself in this matter.