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I've posted this pretty much everywhere here, but it seems to have gone unnoticed.
There was a similar thread but it went wholly ignored.
I am asking for a simple, single post from a gold name, defining the following:
This forum has erupted in debate, and degraded into full on adversarial postings, trolling and troll-baiting, insults, and community members who may get along perfectly well otherwise, at each other's throats, daily.
I admit fully that there are likely less than 25 individuals who vanguard this squabbling, myself included. But the endless demands and rebuttals, followed by a downward spiral of personal attacks and name calling needs to end, and this frankly is the ONLY way to clear this matter from the forums and let this forum in particular go back to being about promotion and reward suggestions, not player on player attacks.
I don't care what anyone thinks should and should not be on the matter, nor do I care to make my opinions the subject of this thread - that has been done to death already. I only care what the answer is at this point. And what it is NOW, not what it probably could be back in August, maybe, based on hunches and half-clues leaving us all to our own devices to interpret, and certianly not what it "should be".
Black and white, clear, and decisive statement, in the present, about the policy and intention, from the devs.
There was a similar thread but it went wholly ignored.
I am asking for a simple, single post from a gold name, defining the following:
What is the Cryptic policy on Exclusivity of Rewards for STO? Specifically, what if any expiration is intended. List of examples including specifically but not limited to the TOS MU, Liberated Borg, and Galaxy X. Are these intended to be exclusive rewards (as many of us with them maintain), or is there a planned expiration on that exclusivity? NOT what it was or wasn't 9-10 months ago, what it is right now, right here.
This forum has erupted in debate, and degraded into full on adversarial postings, trolling and troll-baiting, insults, and community members who may get along perfectly well otherwise, at each other's throats, daily.
I admit fully that there are likely less than 25 individuals who vanguard this squabbling, myself included. But the endless demands and rebuttals, followed by a downward spiral of personal attacks and name calling needs to end, and this frankly is the ONLY way to clear this matter from the forums and let this forum in particular go back to being about promotion and reward suggestions, not player on player attacks.
I don't care what anyone thinks should and should not be on the matter, nor do I care to make my opinions the subject of this thread - that has been done to death already. I only care what the answer is at this point. And what it is NOW, not what it probably could be back in August, maybe, based on hunches and half-clues leaving us all to our own devices to interpret, and certianly not what it "should be".
Black and white, clear, and decisive statement, in the present, about the policy and intention, from the devs.
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WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS!
Exclusives DO have a shelf life, look at the "Lifers only" station. The TOS uniforms. It's not surprising that you, or I, or the OP would want to know the details.
If they would answer this question, we could all move on. If they won't answer this question, perhaps they will answer "Why won't you answer that question?"
(Has to be better than what we have for an answer now, no?)
Well the Lifer's station was not an Exlusive. It was a 'thank you' the devs came up with much later. It was never advertised as part of the actual deal.
The TOS uniforms were also not an exclusive. The word was never used in association with it (or the Joined Trill.) But Exclusive and Unique were used for everything else on the DDE. In fact the DDE was actually the second way they gave out the TOS uniforms. (First was to Starfleet members)
All we do know at this point is that In the history of This game and Champions nothing marked Exclusive/unique/preorder ever made it to the C-Store. Nor are they on the scedule to be added.
So thats an answer of sorts, but a direct answer would be nicer.
If they said all exclusive items would remain exclusive till the sun burns out they could make them available tommorrow and you couldnt do anything.
Your options are either
A) Stay and take it - Thus condoing their actions
Only if
Even assuming the absolute unlikely chance Cryptic give you an answer. Its not going to contain a fixed date on exclusive expiration. If they do that people are going to end up waiting till that date rather than go for their exclusive deals.
Of course they arent going to say it will remain Exclusive forever either... that causes people to do
Result: Stone-Wall silence or vague answer that dosent commit them except for people that ASSUME.
For example: The Galaxy-X MAY have a cloak.
The defenders claim... oh your just speculating because it MIGHT have something.
Then it comes out WITH the cloak and by that time the disenters are banned, trodden over or left.
OR
It DOSENT come with a cloak but the people that got the offer have already sold their souls while Cryptic claim they made no 'offical' comment the feature.
Nice lesson in how modern day business works.
Actually, youre wrong.
Taken from the newsletter Cryptic sent out a few months ago.
And heres from the STO site a few months ago. http://www.startrekonline.com/node/1401
So yes... the Captain's table was indeed "exclusive".
And seeing how quickly they were to make it a veterans award(i dont mind personally) it means that anything labeled exclusive isnt worth a farthing.
Lets leave this thread for one singular purpose: soliciting an answer from the team, regardless of what that answer is.
Continue to demand, debate, discuss, and dissect the issue elsewhere. But just let the focus here remain on getting a ruling.
Sorry not wrong. It was never advertised as part of the lifetime subscription. Never. Those were perks added much later as a thank you to both games.
It was still advertised as an exclusive to lifetime subscribers, and ALL lifetime subscribers gets them.
/Agreed Completely!
/Agreed Completely it is impossible to argue what is in black and white.
I would further submit not arguing what is stated in the offer is the answer this thread and so many others have been seeking.
Please. Dont misrepresent avoiding an argument at the OP's request as anything other than that.
Since you insist though: The Captain's Table was never part of any actual advertising or point of sale text for the Lifetime Subscription. It was a freebie given months after the offer. Doesn't get more Black and White than that really. Thanks for playing.
Alright, does it matter if those items were "exclusive" or not in relation TO THE OP? N-O Whether I am right or wrong, or you are is MOOT and OFF TOPIC
Where is the DEV? THAT is what we should be asking, it isn't like they don't read the threads.
Didn't they say they read the threads? Maybe they read the threads, but not the titles and OPs?? Since they didn't say they read the OP exclusively. :eek::eek: I didn't say that!
I agree with you that is why I said you can not argue with what is in black and white, The Captain's Table was an after market exclusive I am fully aware or that thank you. ( my comment was to agree with not arguing with all offers that are spelled out.)
You have over run several other threads already with your selective quotes and your singular view of what is and is not fact. I have repeatedly called your view into question, which you have replied to with selective quotes (excluding portions which do not agree with you).
Contain your agenda to the other threads designed to debate it.
You yourself have defamed the "final offer" when quoting devs who have stated that they did not know the future of the exclusivity.
Chant your mantra elsewhere. It does nothing to end the debate. Calling to the team for clarification can only help your cause, if you are so sure things are what you believe them to be. By your standing against this request, it is easy for me to draw your faith in your own conviction into question. I would think one so evangelistic about an idea would welcome further proof, not fear a final word of truth. Or perhaps you are not as sure as your tactics suggest.
This thread stands for ONE THING ONLY: An end to this discussion arrived at through development clarification in the NOW regarding the policy as it currently stands.
Now, not 9 months ago, and in clear words, not the suggestion of a policy change through absence of words, and interpretation of a word.
No debate.
Just a request.
It has been brought to my attention via this thread: life time Borg, and not getting it with lifetime subs
In this thread it is suggested to the OP to "contact billing" to have the Borg added to the OP's account.
Several posts later we see this, from the OP:
As you can see all Mariel_Martog (The OP of that thread) had to do was contact billing. I know I am not a developer, but I think this may count as a "ruling".
Since the devs actually don't handle the player accounts and subs and stuff themselves.
One of those gold names giving a comment...
As it stands, it sure looks like it doesn't matter. Just contact billing when the "time is right" and you can get your goods. We have "proof" that this works now, and just hearsay about all other aspects. From my limited perspective anyway.
EDIT (UPDATE!!)
Got another new Liftimer who "contacted billing" and got a new Borg captain:
http://www.startrekonline.com/character_profiles/user_characters/The-Doctor.
http://www.startrekonline.com/character_profiles/828772/view
From the thread: http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=159266
I have no problem or fear of clarification, but I have not done anything, but present the facts, and the facts support my statements and I stand behind them. I feel as if I am a Fugubiki or Usuba knife in drawer full of butter knives.
It's like 10,000 spoons when all you need is a Kutlutch...
OT
I think we may get an answer soon. The winds carry the scent of change, of course that may just be Vegas calling me...
Your entire argument rests on 3 things. That omission of a single word means the opposite of that word to be true. That the word Unique is not a synonym for Exclusive (the aforementioned omission). And finally, that these two ideas are absolute.
You fail to see one specific thing: That no conclusion can be drawn so concretely from the data at hand. Where you say "Eureka!" to the question at hand, I can only say "Insufficient data."
You specifically center on the news article of the 4th as the central "proof" in your argument, with its omission of the word "Exclusive." You dismiss the later news article on the 20th because you demand the word "unique" is meaningless.
This is the entirety of your argument, stripped of its supporting points, the best of which amounts to a dev saying "we're looking at it and don't know what the future of the policy is" (paraphrased). Your supporting lead ups are well researched, and it is inarguable that in August of 2009, this was a policy under fire.
But I have yet to see you prove they ever said it changed.
Omission does suggest change... but then there is the news article of the 20th. (in which the TOS MU is defined as "unique")
You insist "Unique" is non binding, you expertly dismiss the word... but I thought we were discussing marketing news items... and we are. Were this contract law, where I suspect you do quite well, this would be open and shut. This isn't contract law. This is reviewing nothing more than marketing releases.
If I open Microsoft Word, and I type "Unique" then highlight it and pres Shift+F7, the third option offered to me is "Exclusive." I doubt any marketing employee put more thought into the text than that.
You have a brilliant and "absolute" case in a contract case facing a court of law. You have nothing but the suggestion of a change, and a loss of objective reasoning in the face of the news on the 20th, when you remember these are nothing but marketing releases.
We can not conclude diddly, you and I, save the fact that there is insufficient information. We aren't reviewing contracts, we are reviewing a marketing offer. Not the final paperwork, and I'm quite sure in a "false advertising" case, "Unique" would hold up to scrutiny quite nicely from the 20th. Just as sure you are that you're a finely crafted knife.
That is likely true, masterfully crafted and honed to perfection. I'm naught but a slotted spoon. You cut well, I stir pasta better, and neither of us hold very much water.
News articles and uncertainty in a forum post are insufficient for drawing any conclusion.
Now, kindly keep your discussion out of this thread, even start a new one quoting and arguing me specifically. I asked for and have not recieved respect on this one matter. You have ignored the request for debate to remain in its dozen other threads.
I repeat my request to the team: End this now and post the policy or a link to it, here, now, and in black and white.
Thank You, for justifying my case, and for the compliment, the preponderance of the evidence concluded my statements to be accurate and factual.
I did one other thing - I stated repeatedly that your conclusion is based on insufficient data, and therefore little more than an educated guess. You may yet actually prove to be right, but I couldn't call it more than an educated guess based on the type and content of communication we've received. And frankly, the fact that the words chosen are open to interpretation is the issue here. Neither side of this holds any water until we see an actual post detailing the conclusion of the team's review of TOS MU exclusivity. We're dealing with Schrodinger's cat here. The facts support the conclusion that this has been resolved, particularly if you ignore the news item of the 20th.. The facts also support the conclusion that there has been no resolution at all, and can even point strongly to the idea that once reviewed, by the 20th, the decision was made to retain exclusivity (with some marketing schlub thinking "unique" would not be open to interpretation).
All three states are possible given the weight of *ALL* the evidence.
So, again, please join me in requesting a team post or link giving a final and clear-cut clarification on this matter, and all other matters of exclusivity and the possible expiration of exclusivity for all rewards.
There is none, and never will be.
This company loves its money. They won't tell us anything because they don't have to. They sit over their at their monitors laughing at our attempts at this. You know that right?
Do what I am doing. Which I can't say, but do it anyway! All it entails is "information gathering" then, when the time is right (ie in court) you show others the information you have gathered.
Just sayin...
Oh, and the Galaxy X comes with a cloak
http://alexraptor.com/images/GalaxyX4.jpg
Call billing, let them know you already recruited 5 (or in my case more) people. That is what I am doing to get my ship! (It works with the Borg Captain according to other members, check sig)
They ruled!
Before any more pitchforks get handed out... let me offer up some info before you go burning down the village.
The 3-Nacelle Future Enterprise config will be an exclusive variant of a T5 Galaxy ship we are planning to add to the game as we increase the skillcap at various points in the future. In fact I see plans on the schedule to add T5 versions of the Galaxy, Intrepid, and Defiant class.
So yes - the Future Enterprise - 3 Nacelle config is an exclusive "variant" and may be the only T5 Galaxy for a while, but there will be ways to get similar ships in the future - they just might not have the 3rd Nacelle - or front mount single phaser cannon.
you may now go back to your regularly scheduled riot...
http://forums.startrekonline.com/sho...galaxy&page=10
3rd post from bottom he did say exclusive the thread is locked so I can't do a direct quote but you can go see for yourselves
Might want to tell that to the person who bumped a month dead topic to gloat. Classy!
Yep. Looking forward to seeing it for sale soon. Nothing is sacred anymore.