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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Warmaker01 wrote: »
    So they take away the unique, canon characteristic of the Klingons and give it to the faction that, by canon, refuses to use Cloaking devices in every TV show and series of the franchise?

    Glad I cancelled. Just another "take a s**t on the Klingons" by Cryptic.



    This is also another thing I get from the RAF rewards... it rewards only Federation players, i.e. Galaxy-X. Your Klingon can do anything with that even if you refer TEN guys who subscribe? No.

    Cetainly seems that way.....................................:(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Kaiserhawk wrote: »
    Thats not a problem. No Klingon plays tier 5 PvP so you'll never run into it at all.

    Funny...of my 3 guys, my BG is the one who finds PvP....PvP seems non-exsistant in lower ranks. I've waited over an hour in que before giving up with my other 2. My BG maybe waits 5 min tops.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Serpieri wrote: »
    *snip* and a Blood Wine dispernsor for the Captain's Chair.
    That's clearly overpowered.

    Edit:

    I am not a fan of Federatin cloak. Not just for "canon" reasons and stuff flike that, but simply because it doesn't fit their style. The in-story reason might be stuff like the treaty of Algeron, the real reason is that the good guys don't sneak around backstabbing people. (I am still not sure why Klingons do it, to be honest. But then, the Klingons weren't always the good guys.)

    The nice thing about the Galaxy-X is that they seem to be willing to create a few "unique" ships with unique traits. (The Galaxy-X is not the only thing mentioned, but it's the first we'll see.) Hopefully the others won't require jumping through hoops like the referral program. And hopefully there will be Klingon stuff, too, of course. Aside from the Galaxy-Xs cloak, it is supposed to have a special area-effect cannon. And maybe there will be more such things in the future.

    - Combat Cloak Deluxe - firing while cloaked for Bird of Preys
    - Ablative Armor modifcation for the Intrepid
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    That's clearly overpowered.

    Edit:

    I am not a fan of Federatin cloak. Not just for "canon" reasons and stuff flike that, but simply because it doesn't fit their style. The in-story reason might be stuff like the treaty of Algeron, the real reason is that the good guys don't sneak around backstabbing people. (I am still not sure why Klingons do it, to be honest. But then, the Klingons weren't always the good guys.)

    The nice thing about the Galaxy-X is that they seem to be willing to create a few "unique" ships with unique traits. (The Galaxy-X is not the only thing mentioned, but it's the first we'll see.) Hopefully the others won't require jumping through hoops like the referral program. And hopefully there will be Klingon stuff, too, of course. Aside from the Galaxy-Xs cloak, it is supposed to have a special area-effect cannon. And maybe there will be more such things in the future.

    - Combat Cloak Deluxe - firing while cloaked for Bird of Preys
    - Ablative Armor modifcation for the Intrepid

    This and the fact that Klingon ships have less shields and hull compared to the federation as a balance to the cloaking device.
    Talk about F**king klingons in the TRIBBLE. I bet they don't increase the hull and shields of any T5 Klingon ships.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Jaesun wrote:
    If this is true, I just really do not understand Cryptic at all. There is barely any star trek feel left.

    A cloak on the galaxy X would be cannon but i would rather get the VOY hull armor shields and leave the klingons with the cloaks.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Tyron_Jara wrote:
    A cloak on the galaxy X would be cannon but i would rather get the VOY hull armor shields and leave the klingons with the cloaks.

    Oh yeah because that would be balanced.
    Not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Warmaker01 wrote: »
    So they take away the unique, canon characteristic of the Klingons and give it to the faction that, by canon, refuses to use Cloaking devices in every TV show and series of the franchise?

    Glad I cancelled. Just another "take a s**t on the Klingons" by Cryptic.



    This is also another thing I get from the RAF rewards... it rewards only Federation players, i.e. Galaxy-X. Your Klingon can do anything with that even if you refer TEN guys who subscribe? No.

    Im a fed and you know that really kinda kicks the klingons up the *** so why not give them the klingon ships out of "All good things" also?? Or some kinda new ship.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Oh yeah because that would be balanced.
    Not.

    Well if you think about it if the feds have hull armor the klingons would have some kind of weapon to penetrate it or something to match it??
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    But whiners? cummon people! Ok you say it isnt cannon... it isnt the federation boohoooo :'( The starship pegasis... ring a bell? The treaty did not do anything.. the federation not only tried to develop cloak BUT the cloak developed was able to phase through SOLID OBJECTS... the Defiant had a cloak... whether or not it was a federation developed cloak or not... it still cloaked... and was a federation ship... :'( I think that it is dumb that the defiant class in the fed T4 doesn't cloak! how would that OP feds? a cloak that did nothing but hide your ship... not op... not ruining klink... totally cannon... quit complaining :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    They should just give everyone a cloak function on all ships and then we can just call it cloak online.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Tyron_Jara wrote:
    Im a fed and you know that really kinda kicks the klingons up the *** so why not give them the klingon ships out of "All good things" also?? Or some kinda new ship.

    I am stll not sure what ships those were. Are they Neg'Vahrs? Or another design?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    A Theory;

    Socialism has infiltrated the Star Trek fanbase and that is why its seems that they want all races to have cloaks, so all can be equal in the eyes of the many. If we are all equal then nobody is not special and therefore can't have their sensebilities infringed by others or feel lesser than thier peers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Roach wrote: »
    A Theory;

    Socialism has infiltrated the Star Trek fanbase and that is why its seems that they want all races to have cloaks, so all can be equal in the eyes of the many. If we are all equal then nobody is not special and therefore can't have their sensebilities infringed by others or feel lesser than thier peers.
    True... or it could be that klinks gameplay sucks so bad that why not make the cool faction even cooler! right... riiiighhhttt? fed power FTW
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    The thing that ****es me off isn't the Galaxy X and Cloak, and Canon.....

    It's the fact that they don't offer a Klingon ship for players who play Klingon Faction, but, what can we expect, they want to add everything from repeat episodes, new episodes, then lastly install Klingon Episodes so by the time we get episodes, there will already be a huge disadvantage because they will have all these goodies like Efficiency Engines, Numiri Shields, Hyper Combat Impulse Engines, Plasma-Disrupter Weapons, etc etc. Not that any of these are really worth all that much at T5, but I'm just saying.

    Furthermore, they got a Saurian Uncommon Boff with Efficiency for those lucky enough for the randomizer to give them one. They got 6 new playerable races since launch, including Klingons. They got all new T5 Variations when they already had 3 variations of each type of ship, KDF has 2 variations with starter ship, then 1 variation per type of ship until T5 which has 2 Variations. They also get different window options, different tint options, which we don't get. Face it fellow Klingons, we are monsters they made, they could care less about whether we stay playing the game or not, once we all leave, and the Bulk of Feds get bored with PVE, they will all start rolling KDF, so they can take turns PVPing each other.

    Meanwhile, we will have moved on.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    As far as canon goes, the reason the Enterprise had a cloaking device in the future was because the Romulan Empire had been conquered by the Klingons. So the Treaty of Algeron (which was a peace treaty between the Federation and the Romulans) went out the window.

    That same treaty also states that any violations of the Neutral Zone are considered an act of war. And yet the first time I entered the Iota Pavonis Sector Block on my way to Memory Alpha, the first thing I noticed were the number of Romulan fleets moving through Federation space and attacking Federation ships.

    People are suggesting that cloaking isn’t the Federation’s style, but it has been used by the Federation on several occasions (the Defiant, the mines placed around the Bajoran wormhole, the Pegasus, and the future in which “All Good Things..” took place). If the Klingons do manage the conquer the remains of the Romulan Empire, it would be absolutely foolish of the Federation to not take advantage of cloaking technology in their war against the Klingons.

    That said, as someone with a Klingon character who has played his shares of KvK battles, I can say from experience that two cloaked armies waiting on one another to give away their position first is about as boring as all gets out.

    "Good guys" do use cloaking. How comfortable with it you are greatly depends on what the writers tell you is "right" or "wrong". I don't bat an eye when I see cloaking being used by Stargate Command in the Stargate television series. They don't suddenly lose their "good guy" status just for being stealthy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I find it amusing no one has complained about what the CANNON does on the x.

    Forget cloak, there's a beam on that that shoots through solid objects and will multi hit any target in a straight line...


    At any rate, I fully expect to see Season 2.0 also bring us a top-tier Defiant with a cloak that will be far more prolific than the "get five friends to sign on for a month after buying the game" cruiser. They didn't specify how we'd get access to the new ships, but it sounded like something we need to earn.

    I also expect there to be a top-tier BoP that fires from cloak, a trans-cloak ship on both sides, and basically some nice top-end ships based on "popular" skins and canon ships.

    Heck, if you really want to nit pick, nit pick the fact the referral reward is Fed-only, and demand the fire-while-cloaked BoP as a balance point.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Combadge wrote:
    As far as canon goes, the reason the Enterprise had a cloaking device in the future was because the Romulan Empire had been conquered by the Klingons. So the Treaty of Algeron (which was a peace treaty between the Federation and the Romulans) went out the window.

    Must say this is a valid point!!!!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Dyonas wrote: »
    I'll fly around while phased and cloaked taunting you with insults such as ..... "Your mother has a flat forehead!" and having the crew all moon you simultaneously, even though you won't be able to see it! I know what you're saying and you want it to be unique and stuck to Klingon and Romulan forces only but would one, difficult to acquire (in its current state) ship really cause that much of a fuss? I thought Klingons enjoyed the challenge ;)

    *cackles* I know, it's sad to me because I want to love the game as I'm sure many others do. Unfortunately, even if I felt it was ready and brimming with content for all levels, factions and with things to do outside of missions I don't know even one person that would want to play the game. Sometimes it's hard to be a Trek fan, this is one of them.

    While you are playing hide and seek in planets, I'll be busy plundering Federation worlds :) Matter of fact, Risa happens to be first on the list since my Orion crew is in need of jamaharon, and we plan on stealing all the horga'hn idols once were ready to leave.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Jnoh wrote:
    I find it amusing no one has complained about what the CANNON does on the x.

    Forget cloak, there's a beam on that that shoots through solid objects and will multi hit any target in a straight line...

    Where was this information located at anyway (the cloaking, the effects of the beam weapon, etc)? Would someone provide a link?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Combadge wrote:
    Where was this information located at anyway (the cloaking, the effects of the beam weapon, etc)? Would someone provide a link?

    I too would be interested in seeing such a link.
    I went looking, the closest I could find was this:
    http://www.atari.com/support/kb/3291
    It gives zero details about the ship, but I did find this part interesting:
    This Tier 5 vessel will be cleared for active duty and released from the Utopia Planetia Shipyards when Season One, Update Two releases. Once it is available it may be claimed by all Federation & Klingon characters on an account however it may not be cosmetically edited via the ship tailor.

    Sucks it's a Fed design, but kinda sounds like you could fly one as a Klingon, too.
    That could be interesting, could prove most confusing to some in the midst of vicous PvP, heh.

    But, I couldn't find any Official info about the ship's specific abilities, BO stations, weapons, not even anything about it having the cloak for that matter.
    Of course, I only spent about 30 min and picking out really useful info out of the hundreds of other whine/complain threads/posts is...challenging.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Serpieri wrote: »
    While you are playing hide and seek in planets, I'll be busy plundering Federation worlds :) Matter of fact, Risa happens to be first on the list since my Orion crew is in need of jamaharon, and we plan on stealing all the horga'hn idols once were ready to leave.

    Gah! What you're saying then is that the horga'hn idols will be horGO'NE idols :P

    Hide and seek in planets sounds like a fun game and if nothing else you get to see planets from the inside, think of the scientific possibilities! If you're feeling evil think of the possibilities of dropping a bomb into the core of a planet..... you may have the idols but you won't have a planet to take them to *grins evilly, tries to phase through a door and gets stuck* .... little help?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    why does it seem like everyone in this thread is forgetting the Defiant??? IT CAN CLOAK!!!!! OMG!!!!! :p

    Romulan cloaking device, loaned to the federation and to be only used in the gama quadrant in exchange for all sensor data gathered, with a romulan officer stationed on the defiant to ensure the federation wasn't naughty and use it in the alpha quadrant. Thats right all senior staff on DS9 are naughty boys and girls.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Nene wrote:
    Romulan cloaking device, loaned to the federation and to be only used in the gama quadrant in exchange for all sensor data gathered, with a romulan officer stationed on the defiant to ensure the federation wasn't naughty and use it in the alpha quadrant. Thats right all senior staff on DS9 are naughty boys and girls.

    And, most important of all, it was One of a Kind experimental ship.
    The ONLY Federation ship with a cloaking device.
    The entire class of that ship didn't ALL have cloaking devices on them. ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    And, most important of all, it was One of a Kind experimental ship.
    The ONLY Federation ship with a cloaking device.
    The entire class of that ship didn't ALL have cloaking devices on them. ;)

    Thats a good point. Also if memory serves me correct, didn't the TOS enterprise in one episode have a stolen cloaking device fitted to it? So if we follow that line of stupidity shouldn't all the TOS T1 ships by default have cloaking? Of course not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Why does everyone think this ship will have a cloak? Where are the dev posts stating it will have a cloak?

    I have seen a bunch of players speculating that the new Galaxy will have a cloaking device but have yet to see where they are getting that from. In the TV series, this particular Galaxy had a cloaking device; however, the devs have always stated the Federation would not receive a cloaking device.

    The devs changed the way MES worked during beta because it was a de facto cloaking device and they do not intend on giving Feds cloaking devices. All these thread seem to do is stoke the flames of contention between people who play die-hard Feds and people who play die-hard Klingons. One group feels the Feds are being babied the other group feels the Klingons besides PVE missions, which are coming, are receiving to much attention on the PVP battles and their ships are too powerful because the devs made them that way.

    Instead of all the speculation that people are making about the new ship, post a dev comment that states the new Fed ship will get a cloaking device. If they stayed true to cannon, the Defiant type ships would have awesome hulls but they escorts don’t. So, don’t expect the new Galaxy to have a cloaking device.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Doogie wrote:
    Why does everyone think this ship will have a cloak? Where are the dev posts stating it will have a cloak?

    I have seen a bunch of players speculating that the new Galaxy will have a cloaking device but have yet to see where they are getting that from. In the TV series, this particular Galaxy had a cloaking device; however, the devs have always stated the Federation would not receive a cloaking device.

    The devs changed the way MES worked during beta because it was a de facto cloaking device and they do not intend on giving Feds cloaking devices. All these thread seem to do is stoke the flames of contention between people who play die-hard Feds and people who play die-hard Klingons. One group feels the Feds are being babied the other group feels the Klingons besides PVE missions, which are coming, are receiving to much attention on the PVP battles and their ships are too powerful because the devs made them that way.

    Instead of all the speculation that people are making about the new ship, post a dev comment that states the new Fed ship will get a cloaking device. If they stayed true to cannon, the Defiant type ships would have awesome hulls but they escorts don’t. So, don’t expect the new Galaxy to have a cloaking device.

    The TNG episode with the Galaxy-X and the alternate future it was from had a Cloaking device. The story goes was that the Klingons conquered the Romulans and went to war with the Federation, and were steadily beating them also.

    The treaty that the Federation signed to not develop Cloaking Devices involved the Feds, Klingons, and the Romulans. With the Romulans subjugated by the Klingons and now attacking the Feds, the Feds now had no reason to adhere to the treaty. Despite the Cloaks being developed, Starfleet was still losing to the Klingons :p
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Warmaker01 wrote: »
    The TNG episode with the Galaxy-X and the alternate future it was from had a Cloaking device. The story goes was that the Klingons conquered the Romulans and went to war with the Federation, and were steadily beating them also.

    The treaty that the Federation signed to not develop Cloaking Devices involved the Feds, Klingons, and the Romulans. With the Romulans subjugated by the Klingons and now attacking the Feds, the Feds now had no reason to adhere to the treaty. Despite the Cloaks being developed, Starfleet was still losing to the Klingons :p

    But according to that logic the Defiant should have a better hull then it has in the game. I stated that I knew the Galaxy from the series had a cloaking device. That does not mean that Galaxy in this game will have a cloaking device.

    People are pulling from the series saying it will but not pulling from the Devs. Where are the Devs stating it will have a cloaking device?

    The devs have already let it be known the Feds aren’t getting a cloaking device so why are people spreading this rumor as fact?

    Those ships in the episode with the 3 nacelled Galaxy can go warp 13. My understanding of the Star Trek Universe no one can travel with a velocity of warp 10 much less warp 13. The Star Trek writers get around the warp 10 speed limit much like the writers got around the speed of light speed limit. The writers created a transwarp conduit system, and worm holes, and powers of all powerful entities, Q. Why aren’t people complaining about the T5 Galaxy being able to travel faster than any other ship? Because they want allow it to go warp 13 in game neither will they give the ship a cloak.

    Until the Devs state the ship will have a cloaking device, why run around spreading the rumor that it will have a cloaking device when the Devs have said they aren’t giving the Federation a cloaking device.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Is that really why people are suggesting it'll have a cloak? Because that's how it worked on the show? I thought someone was passing on something heard from a developer. Oh jeeze.

    What about the whole "shooting through objects" cannon? Is that just a guess too or from an actual dev post? I did see a dev post that stated it would have a special saucer mounted gun not linked to any other weapon powers, but I stopped paying attention after that and missed any subsequent posts (if there were any).

    I think people should be more upset about Klingon players having access to a galaxy class cruiser. Who wants to see that in PvP? Or even in PvE, from either side. I'm all for both factions getting a reward but in this case giving them exactly the same reward doesn't make sense. Just give Klingon players Nero's Narada or something more appropriate.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    I don't know if that's accurate, to say that it is people thinking because the episode version had one this too should have one. The cannon is a pretty big must and I'm curious to see how true to the episode it looks even if all it does it look good. I haven't looked for it but I believe it was dstahl that mentioned it *may* have a cloak but he can't confirm or deny that as it wasn't confirmed in the information he'd obtained.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Doogie wrote:
    But according to that logic the Defiant should have a better hull then it has in the game. I stated that I knew the Galaxy from the series had a cloaking device. That does not mean that Galaxy in this game will have a cloaking device.

    People are pulling from the series saying it will but not pulling from the Devs. Where are the Devs stating it will have a cloaking device?

    The devs have already let it be known the Feds aren’t getting a cloaking device so why are people spreading this rumor as fact?

    Those ships in the episode with the 3 nacelled Galaxy can go warp 13. My understanding of the Star Trek Universe no one can travel with a velocity of warp 10 much less warp 13. The Star Trek writers get around the warp 10 speed limit much like the writers got around the speed of light speed limit. The writers created a transwarp conduit system, and worm holes, and powers of all powerful entities, Q. Why aren’t people complaining about the T5 Galaxy being able to travel faster than any other ship? Because they want allow it to go warp 13 in game neither will they give the ship a cloak.

    Until the Devs state the ship will have a cloaking device, why run around spreading the rumor that it will have a cloaking device when the Devs have said they aren’t giving the Federation a cloaking device.

    I'm just telling you the history of the Galaxy-X, man. Personally, the thing shouldn't be in the game since it's alternate reality, but the game is going the way of Star Wars Galaxies in regards to "canon" (unfortunately).
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