Civil? You can't keep this civil. It's no more civil than my 2 year old falling on the floor crying because she isn't getting what she wants.
Same thing here. WAH WAH I want the ship how dare you make me have to recruit people to your game!
People cried in the same way about the stupid zebra in WoW too. If you can't spend the time or effort to get the awesome ship, you don't deserve it. I mean, they obviously don't want everyone and their mom flying it. So it's tied to a hard task.
These comments are very crude, cruel and uncaring.
Some people like myself don't have friends who are into computers. Getting the Galaxy X is impossible for some. All I ask is Cryptic make it available via some other means and/or at a later date. Those who can meet the 5 sub requirements should get this ship first.
Also a lot of anger stems from the fact that lots of star trek fans are only interested in canon ships (me included). It's extremely disappointing to see ship after ship update in the C-Store be non-canon Cryptic ships and the first canon one since TOS Connie is out of my reach.
Go ahead and flame some more. I think I've been civil and have not gone off the deep end. It's not the end of the world but this RAF offer is very disappointing to me.
Flame bait? You'd have much more credibility if instead of replying in vague and sweeping arguments, you actually tackled specific things I said. And I never said anything about it all being about "me", you are making it as such.
So, I made comments about why I think your opinion isn't valid, and I backed up everything I said with reasons. Where is your rational response other than making the debate about me personally? Give me a break man.
All in all, if Cryptic had taken the time to make a game that a majority of gamers and reviewers feel is a great game to begin with, we wouldn't have the landslide of failing confidences in Cryptic and Atari to begin wtih.
I'd like to believe that Zinc is more genuine and sincere than trying to employ such elaborate methodology. Secondly, it just adds to the list of guffaws to their name, so I don't think it is probable. However if it is, then I tip my hat at their marketing department for being clever devils.
In any case, whats interesting is that they SHOULD be aware of this issue by now, and yet have chosen not to respond thus far. But, i won't say its not possible.
Things like the death penalty and the difficulty slider are band-aids which they used as marketing fodder to convey an image that "they listen to us"... when in actuality... the progression rate of the game was ridiculously fast. They would have had to have done something to remedy this even if we didn't speak out about it.
What Engelbert refuses to acknowledge, and a few others... are that I have been on these forums and active since I joined at the end of 2008. They don't realize that I came in to this community GUNS BLAZING with excitement, and support for Cryptic and STO. Then, slowly as time went on, I started noticing those tell tale signs that not everything was as healthy for STO as could be.
Long story short, I turned into a critic. I try to think of myself as a reasonable person. This notion is enforced by the fact that I have seen so many "fanboys" turn into skeptics, haters, critics, or simply become disenchanted. You are one of those squidheadx, since I remember even you in the past disagreeing on things that I've brought up. But now look. Its not because of my words either, you came to these conclusions and become disheartened yourself and due to Cryptic's actions/decisions. And YOU, are not the only one. I can name plenty of names here. Plenty. But I won't, cause this isn't an ego trip for me and it pains me that I wasn't wrong in the first place. Believe me, I would have liked to have been.
Oh well.
A MMO should always try to get it's players to recruit their friends at all times. Not when Jacob feels the game is ready to start a recruitment program. Don't try to question my credibility. You advertised for a different MMO for weeks. I do appreciate that you have stopped. Thank you.
There is no way can prove my point is isn't vaild. Nothing you said was grounded in reason. A MMO should always try to have it's players recruit their friends, family or more people. At all times after launch three months after launch isn't to soon. By the time a player reaches level cap there will be even more content.
It's you and a few others claiming landslides in loss of confidence. There are plenty of others who see that Cryptic is working hard to make the game better. Have great confidence in them. Just because of some poor reviews on some gaming blogs aren't good it's not the death of the game.
1. People complaining that Cryptic is just looking for a "cash grab" is just stupid. I'm sorry, but it is.
Businesses exist to make money, they have to have money or they die. My body needs food, no one complains when I eat breakfast or when I look for more ways to get more food. My car needs gas, no one complains when I fill up the gas tank. No one complains when Walmart makes a profit, so why do we complain that Cryptic is searching for other ways to make money? Don't like microtransactions? Don't use them.
2. The Game is Painfully Unfinished, Why Invite People Now?
This was the first thing that popped into my head when I first read about the RaF program. They should have waited until after Season 2 to debut this new program. As it stands now, new people invited will just see a broken and half-finished game. Quitters invited back are going to see the same game they just left with a tiny amount of improvements. It's not going to keep them. And then when Season 2 does come out they are less likely to come back and try it for a third time.
3. Referring 5 friends gets you a Galaxy X
That's nice and all, but who among us hasn't already talked to all of their friends about STO? Well, those friends that are interested in Star Trek and/or video games that is. Most of a Trekkies friends are likely to also be Trekkies, and if one of them has heard about STO they all have. Same with video game players. The entire set up of this program shows me that whichever marketing genius (probably the same guy that tried to raffle off a seat on the advisory council) thought this program up has no friggin clue who we, the player base, are.
There needs to be an additional way for players to access the Galaxy X. And I'm sorry Jacob, I tried to remain civil, I really did.
1. People complaining that Cryptic is just looking for a "cash grab" is just stupid. I'm sorry, but it is.
Businesses exist to make money, they have to have money or they die. My body needs food, no one complains when I eat breakfast or when I look for more ways to get more food. My car needs gas, no one complains when I fill up the gas tank. No one complains when Walmart makes a profit, so why do we complain that Cryptic is searching for other ways to make money? Don't like microtransactions? Don't use them.
2. The Game is Painfully Unfinished, Why Invite People Now?
This was the first thing that popped into my head when I first read about the RaF program. They should have waited until after Season 2 to debut this new program. As it stands now, new people invited will just see a broken and half-finished game. Quitters invited back are going to see the same game they just left with a tiny amount of improvements. It's not going to keep them. And then when Season 2 does come out they are less likely to come back and try it for a third time.
3. Referring 5 friends gets you a Galaxy X
That's nice and all, but who among us hasn't already talked to all of their friends about STO? Well, those friends that are interested in Star Trek and/or video games that is. Most of a Trekkies friends are likely to also be Trekkies, and if one of them has heard about STO they all have. Same with video game players. The entire set up of this program shows me that whichever marketing genius (probably the same guy that tried to raffle off a seat on the advisory council) thought this program up has no friggin clue who we, the player base, are.
There needs to be an additional way for players to access the Galaxy X. And I'm sorry Jacob, I tried to remain civil, I really did.
Actually you were quite civil, espescially in comparison to a few nameless others in the other thread ;-)
As to your second point. As you already know, I fully agree with your sentiments. I have even been trying to convey what you said to Engelbert, the person who posted directly above you, but to no avail. Perhaps you could elucidate better than I since you tend to be very clear and succint.
I have to agree with the OP. Bad idea. I've tried to get my guild and r/l friends to try STO. All left after their initial impression. Finish the game first.
As to your second point. As you already know, I fully agree with your sentiments. I have even been trying to convey what you said to Engelbert, the person who posted directly above you, but to no avail. Perhaps you could elucidate better than I since you tend to be very clear and succint.
I don't know what more I can say.
Yes, Cryptic should have bonuses for bringing more players to the game.
However, they should have waited until Season 2 was on the live server. Why? Because first impressions sell your product.
Right now the first impression that someone is going to get from STO is that of a buggy, broken game that's way too light on content. If these same people were invited to join after Season 2, they will presumably see an MMO that has more content, more races, and less bugs. Therefore they are more likely to stay.
Well, why not have a RaF now and later? The problem with that is that you're still limited to mostly the same people who'd be interested, and if they've already tried the game once or twice they'll be statistically less likely to want to give it yet another try.
Yes, Cryptic should have bonuses for bringing more players to the game.
However, they should have waited until Season 2 was on the live server. Why? Because first impressions sell your product.
Right now the first impression that someone is going to get from STO is that of a buggy, broken game that's way too light on content. If these same people were invited to join after Season 2, they will presumably see an MMO that has more content, more races, and less bugs. Therefore they are more likely to stay.
Well, why not have a RaF now and later? The problem with that is that you're still limited to mostly the same people who'd be interested, and if they've already tried the game once or twice they'll be statistically less likely to want to give it yet another try.
I agree with the OP. The Galaxy X is a ship I really wanted and the friends I have just look at me funny say no way it us unfinished and there is not Bridge that is unusable in the game and you can not walk through any of your ship Ext.. So I will never get the ship I want. What is Wrong with you Cryptic, you know that we would all want this. So you try to play us into make us do your job for you. For what 5 friend for a full 2 months retention. There is no way any of us will get it and. That is it, isn't it you, have not made the ship yet. You know we can not achieve it so you say it is there, But it is not.
All just to Play us for the 5th time I am sorry but I guess I will never see the Galaxy X. I will not do your job. pay me in free time then we will talk. What you sould do is FIX THE GAME. Also GIVE US WHAT YOU PROMISED. then we could get five friends. But I for one, am tired of being scammed by you. it ends here THIS FAR NO FURTHER. :mad:
That's nice and all, but who among us hasn't already talked to all of their friends about STO? Well, those friends that are interested in Star Trek and/or video games that is. Most of a Trekkies friends are likely to also be Trekkies, and if one of them has heard about STO they all have. Same with video game players. The entire set up of this program shows me that whichever marketing genius (probably the same guy that tried to raffle off a seat on the advisory council) thought this program up has no friggin clue who we, the player base, are.
There needs to be an additional way for players to access the Galaxy X. And I'm sorry Jacob, I tried to remain civil, I really did.
Well said they do not know us or read what we type here do they.
Let me start off by saying that I was one who thought they'd stay with this game for awhile. I even avoided the "doom and gloom" topics on the forums. I agree with OP. I apologize for having a part in having that one shot down (hugs to Jacob). The real issue for me (and ultimately the reason I quit) was that I wasn't getting what I paid for. I'm glad that there are people here who do feel that they are, but as for me (and for a lot of people who we are too quick to dismiss as naysayers) the biggest point of contention was and is that we're getting band-aids for something that needs surgery. I will gladly eat my words should the content expansion be game-wide. There have been many excellent posts by people far more eloquent than I on how to do that.
p.s. If you feel it necessary to say, "You don't know what you're talking about. You don't know MMO's," to me, so be it. I know what I've played and what kept my attention (and money), and have no purpose in measuring my e-manhood against yours.
Seriously - they have a calendar up and do bi-weekly Engineering Reoports that show first hand to the playerbadse what they are working on, and yet, you honestly are trying to post that the Devs are somehow abandoning the game? Wow, I would suggest NREVER playying another MMO as if you think the Devs have somehow 'abandoned' the game because they are adding a 'referal rewards' program (somethiong EVERY current MMO (even Blizzard's World of Warcraft) is doing. This MMO has the most communicative and upfront Dev team in my 13 years of playing MMOs.
If yoyu honestly no longer enjoy the game, I can fully understand quitting; but to infer that the STO Dev Team isn't "sticking with the game"; when there's TONS of written and viual and AVTUAL evidence to the contrary (ie they've added more to the game with a smaller staff in 3 months then I've seen in any MMO to date). Yes, it DID ;launch light on content - but , by the time of the Season 2 update; I think it'll be pretty solid, and just go forward from there.
Again, I'm just amazed how people go off and blow a small situation all out of proportion. Again, other MMOs HAVE done referral rewards programs with 'exclusive' rewards fopr those who participate; but yet again, a small subset of Star Trek fans are up in arms.
You know what I find REALLY amazing is any people say "I can't reccomend this game to a friend, because it sucks." - YET, they are really upset because they CAN'T HAVE a ship's costume of a (now) 'iconic' ship (that appeared for 10 minuites in the final TNG episode) in a game they think sucks, and really don't want to play anymore, because it sucks, and was released unfinshed.
^^^^
I must be dumb, because I don't see the logic here - yet that's what a lot of the rage posts here boild down to.
if you think that why are you paying for your sub? sincei t's not going towards sto either >_>
plus it's not announced yet, unconfirmed and just rumors.....
A canon ship that was in a few minutes of one episode out of 28 seasons and 11 movies over a 43 year period.
HEHE. True. And let's bring up another topic of discussion. Riker flew that baby Straight up and through the ship as it exploded. So I got 5 players...I got my Fancy ship. Now I want to fly it straight up at a 90 degree turn please!!!!! hehe
1. People complaining that Cryptic is just looking for a "cash grab" is just stupid. I'm sorry, but it is.
Businesses exist to make money, they have to have money or they die. My body needs food, no one complains when I eat breakfast or when I look for more ways to get more food. My car needs gas, no one complains when I fill up the gas tank. No one complains when Walmart makes a profit, so why do we complain that Cryptic is searching for other ways to make money? Don't like microtransactions? Don't use them.
100% agree. One thing I am so tired of hearing.
2. The Game is Painfully Unfinished, Why Invite People Now?
This was the first thing that popped into my head when I first read about the RaF program. They should have waited until after Season 2 to debut this new program. As it stands now, new people invited will just see a broken and half-finished game. Quitters invited back are going to see the same game they just left with a tiny amount of improvements. It's not going to keep them. And then when Season 2 does come out they are less likely to come back and try it for a third time.
I do agree with this aspect of the OP. However I am happy you took it to a better place where the game has a future. Waiting till season 2 would have been a better move by Cryptic. I do agree the game was painfully unfinished at launch, but is getting better and will continue to get better. I wish these negative posters would acknowledge that from time to time.
3. Referring 5 friends gets you a Galaxy X
That's nice and all, but who among us hasn't already talked to all of their friends about STO? Well, those friends that are interested in Star Trek and/or video games that is. Most of a Trekkies friends are likely to also be Trekkies, and if one of them has heard about STO they all have. Same with video game players. The entire set up of this program shows me that whichever marketing genius (probably the same guy that tried to raffle off a seat on the advisory council) thought this program up has no friggin clue who we, the player base, are.
There needs to be an additional way for players to access the Galaxy X. And I'm sorry Jacob, I tried to remain civil, I really did.
I personally don't care about this ship. I don't fly cruisers I love my escort or science vessel. So why would I bother to recruit 5 players for something I don't want. I feel Cryptic fails in this promotion because they cut out a large portion of the player base. Why would anyone who doesn't fly a cruiser or want it as a collectors trophy want to do this? And I 100% agree with you who here has not A: already tried to get some of their wow friends or anyone else to play the game successfully or unsuccessfully doesn't matter it has already been attempted. or B: All our Trek friends already play or are too busy to play. I for one am not going to walk up to strangers to try and sell Cryptic's game without being paid an hourly wage hehe.
Also I do agree that even though I don't see why this ship is so sought after as there are many more cannon ships that seem more exciting to me, some people really want it and therefore should be obtainable somewhere else. To dangle a ship a lot of players have asked for as a reward to a task that really is not possible for most people is rather crass.
That's just pure speculation from you guys. You have no idea how many will stay or go. A free weekend no one is going to level cap. Some of the players have just taken breaks and plan to come back. This my make them decide too. Some left never return and it's doesn't matter if it's at season two or not.
I play for hours each day and hardly ever see bugs. The ones I have seen were minor. What a lot of people call bugs are bad computers. That don't meet the minimum requirements.
A lot of the people who think this is a bad idea. Are looking at it with jaded eyes. They don't like the game. They don't want others to like the game. They don't play the game. They don't want others to play the game. They don't think the game should have been released three months ago. They don't think it's enough like EVE.
The fact is the game was released three months ago Cryptic has to go on from here. They have to try and recruit new players and offer free weekends. They need to offer free weekends now and season two and three. Cryptic can't wait till their critics on the forums approve when to start their recruitment program. Because some would say never.
That's just pure speculation from you guys. You have no idea how many will stay or go. A free weekend no one is going to level cap. Some of the players have just taken breaks and plan to come back. This my make them decide too. Some left never return and it's doesn't matter if it's at season two or not.
I play for hours each day and hardly ever see bugs. The ones I have seen were minor. What a lot of people call bugs are bad computers. That don't meet the minimum requirements.
A lot of the people who think this is a bad idea. Are looking at it with jaded eyes. They don't like the game. They don't want others to like the game. They don't play the game. They don't want others to play the game. They don't think the game should have been released three months ago. They don't think it's enough like EVE.
The fact is the game was released three months ago Cryptic has to go on from here. They have to try and recruit new players and offer free weekends. They need to offer free weekends now and season two and three. Cryptic can't wait till their critics on the forums approve when to start their recruitment program. Because some would say never.
Hm. That's awfully... cryptic of you. A poster makes a point like that, you could respond in public or at least share what you have to say with more people.
Seriously - they have a calendar up and do bi-weekly Engineering Reoports that show first hand to the playerbadse what they are working on, and yet, you honestly are trying to post that the Devs are somehow abandoning the game?
I keep seeing a similar sentiment. A LOT of people keep criticizing the developers for being shady or not communicating. And it baffles me. Then I realize ... not everyone knows about the engi reports. No matter how many times dstahl links them in his posts.
And not everyone reads the dev tracker. Or clicks on the "dev post" button on threads that have dev posts in them.
So some folks actually think this. They're just not up to speed yet. Crazy, but true. If they'd check out a few of the Engineering Reports ... they'd see how many times dstahl answers a dozen questions in one post.
You know what I find REALLY amazing is any people say "I can't reccomend this game to a friend, because it sucks." - YET, they are really upset because they CAN'T HAVE a ship's costume of a (now) 'iconic' ship (that appeared for 10 minuites in the final TNG episode) in a game they think sucks, and really don't want to play anymore, because it sucks, and was released unfinshed.
That's been one of the things that stumps me. A lot. Some posters just get finished posting in a thread about how unfinished this game is. How they don't play. How bored they are. How they want to or are going to quit. How they can't possibly refer this game to 5 strangers, let alone friends. And then jump into a thread about this ship that was seen in one episode and get very very passionate and frustrated about how they can't fly this ship. In this game they can no longer stand. What's the point of getting a ship for a game they don't want to play? I am stumped.
Hm. That's awfully... cryptic of you. A poster makes a point like that, you could respond in public or at least share what you have to say with more people.
What I had to say to him, was specifically addressed to him. If I wanted to make a public statement I would have. But since it was private, then it is essentially none of your business.
And as for his "points" they have already been addressed, by myself, Peregrine_Falcon and others. He replies with sweeping generalizations and generally refuses to counter someone's argument by not making specific reference or addressing particular points.
RAF's and micros are part of the gaming industry now there is no point in crying over it. I don't recall if it was this thread or one of the others where they said no other mmo had done this where the reward was for so many swg at least twice that i can recall did the raf for getting 4 friends you get the new shiny it amazes me how people get so excited over a few pixels virtual items that we don't even own.
I just feel like this is a lot of air pulling over a really ugly ship. If they were offering a T-5 variant that say looked like this I could maybe understand some of the issues, but all in all it's just typical complain about everything STO community mentality.
If someone wants to take the time to bring five people on or even spend their own money it is their business, its not anyones fault that you lacks the means. Stop crying about every single thing its embarrassing.
I just feel like this is a lot of air pulling over a really ugly ship. If they were offering a T-5 variant that say looked like this I could maybe understand some of the issues, but all in all it's just typical complain about everything STO community mentality.
If someone wants to take the time to bring five people on or even spend their own money it is their business, its not anyones fault that you lacks the means. Stop crying about every single thing its embarrassing.
That's about as civil as I can be on the subject.
Who cares about the ship?* I think it's a cow. I'd pay to prevent it from replacing any ship in my inventory.
But it's going to have the forward cannon and maybe cloak. That's straight from dstahl's text. That's mechanics that aren't available in-game yet without any assurances the new tier 5's coming in season 2 are going to have even similar options.
RAF's and micros are part of the gaming industry now there is no point in crying over it. I don't recall if it was this thread or one of the others where they said no other mmo had done this where the reward was for so many swg at least twice that i can recall did the raf for getting 4 friends you get the new shiny it amazes me how people get so excited over a few pixels virtual items that we don't even own.
I agree with you. But the point some people currently are trying to make is that the RAF program is currently flawed.
1. It only offers a cruiser ship. Where is the science, escort for the people who don't like cruisers.
2. The game is still a bit rough around the edges. It would have been better to try and recruit after season 2 when the game will be in better shape.
3. Offering an item that is A. Cannon B. very mush sought after by it would seem a lot of players is only going to frustrate people who have already most likely recruited all their friends they know of or they are already playing. I personally do not know 5 people I could ask who might want to play this game that are already no playing. And for those who have been waiting for this ship they are left with it dangling in front of them and they will probably never see it. Even though I could care less about that ship I can understand that frustration.
RAF's are fine. C-store items are fine.. IMHO. But never put game changing things or iconic items in the C-store or in hard to get promos. This is the points these threads are trying to get across. There has been a lot of brain-dead whining about some ridiculous things in these forums but there has been some decent arguments as well. And I may not agree with the overall negative overtones of the OP I do feel he has a point here.
Who cares about the ship?* I think it's a cow. I'd pay to prevent it from replacing any ship in my inventory.
But it's going to have the forward cannon and maybe cloak. That's straight from dstahl's text. That's mechanics that aren't available in-game yet without any assurances the new tier 5's coming in season 2 are going to have even similar options.
*Some number of people who aren't me.
The forward cannon will be like the Red matter you got with the pre order nice but not that effective, and as for the cloak first it's huge maybe and secondly I'm smelling a nerfed all to hell gimmick if they do add it...ether way it's not nearly worth all the QQ that it has been producing...god I would hate to see the angst if something major was announced.:rolleyes:
What I find folly is what we are being payed to guarantee a minimum of 1 month subscription. I get payed $4 for every person who buys/subs for 1 month to the game. Meanwhile I am still paying $15 per month in order to access the game. After 5 people I get the most advnced content/ship in the game...not buy buying it on C-store, not by completing an STF and getting it as a rare drop...the most advanced content/ship in the game....that is what sunk in for me.
So either I get a better wage for expanding the client base (education and resume available upon request) for out of game time, or some method of putting these content pieces in the game.
I normally don't like your completely negative tone and non-constructive criticism, but I would like to add that I would be very surprised if I ever saw anyone fly one in game.
I love the idea of encouraging people to show this game to their friends, but getting 5 people? Yikes! I might convince 2 or 3 if I really try, but I'm scared they would just quit in a month anyway....
People will buy five subs just to get one...which was certainly considered when implementing this.
I'll be very curious to see the ship's finalized attributes. If they are game changing---like it gives the Feds a cloak or something----then there is going to be a major storm on the horizon.
RAF's are fine. C-store items are fine.. IMHO. But never put game changing things or iconic items in the C-store or in hard to get promos. This is the points these threads are trying to get across. There has been a lot of brain-dead whining about some ridiculous things in these forums but there has been some decent arguments as well. And I may not agree with the overall negative overtones of the OP I do feel he has a point here.
Why not? If you want to keep the reward 'special' and have it 'mean' something, you limit the number of them that can be obtained. Having the Galaxy-X as a RAF reward makes sense, and is a good thing.
Why not? If you want to keep the reward 'special' and have it 'mean' something, you limit the number of them that can be obtained. Having the Galaxy-X as a RAF reward makes sense, and is a good thing.
Why? Why should an iconic, canon ship with new gameplay elements be exclusive?
You people make absolutely no argument as to why it should be other than "it's a good thing."
That's not an argument. That's a mantra.
Why? Why should an iconic, canon ship with new gameplay elements be exclusive?
You people make absolutely no argument as to why it should be other than "it's a good thing."
That's not an argument. That's a mantra.
And your mantra is 'it's not fair because I want it and don't have anyone to refer' which also, is not an argument.
RAF rewards need to be exclusive to RAF programs, I know of no MMO that makes their RAF rewards available outside of the RAF program. If they become available outside of the RAF, they could lose their appeal as a 'reward' since others would be able to obtain it without having to do anything, except, QQ on the forums because life isn't fair.
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Well obviously it made an impact.
:rolleyes:
These comments are very crude, cruel and uncaring.
Some people like myself don't have friends who are into computers. Getting the Galaxy X is impossible for some. All I ask is Cryptic make it available via some other means and/or at a later date. Those who can meet the 5 sub requirements should get this ship first.
Also a lot of anger stems from the fact that lots of star trek fans are only interested in canon ships (me included). It's extremely disappointing to see ship after ship update in the C-Store be non-canon Cryptic ships and the first canon one since TOS Connie is out of my reach.
Go ahead and flame some more. I think I've been civil and have not gone off the deep end. It's not the end of the world but this RAF offer is very disappointing to me.
A MMO should always try to get it's players to recruit their friends at all times. Not when Jacob feels the game is ready to start a recruitment program. Don't try to question my credibility. You advertised for a different MMO for weeks. I do appreciate that you have stopped. Thank you.
There is no way can prove my point is isn't vaild. Nothing you said was grounded in reason. A MMO should always try to have it's players recruit their friends, family or more people. At all times after launch three months after launch isn't to soon. By the time a player reaches level cap there will be even more content.
It's you and a few others claiming landslides in loss of confidence. There are plenty of others who see that Cryptic is working hard to make the game better. Have great confidence in them. Just because of some poor reviews on some gaming blogs aren't good it's not the death of the game.
Businesses exist to make money, they have to have money or they die. My body needs food, no one complains when I eat breakfast or when I look for more ways to get more food. My car needs gas, no one complains when I fill up the gas tank. No one complains when Walmart makes a profit, so why do we complain that Cryptic is searching for other ways to make money? Don't like microtransactions? Don't use them.
2. The Game is Painfully Unfinished, Why Invite People Now?
This was the first thing that popped into my head when I first read about the RaF program. They should have waited until after Season 2 to debut this new program. As it stands now, new people invited will just see a broken and half-finished game. Quitters invited back are going to see the same game they just left with a tiny amount of improvements. It's not going to keep them. And then when Season 2 does come out they are less likely to come back and try it for a third time.
3. Referring 5 friends gets you a Galaxy X
That's nice and all, but who among us hasn't already talked to all of their friends about STO? Well, those friends that are interested in Star Trek and/or video games that is. Most of a Trekkies friends are likely to also be Trekkies, and if one of them has heard about STO they all have. Same with video game players. The entire set up of this program shows me that whichever marketing genius (probably the same guy that tried to raffle off a seat on the advisory council) thought this program up has no friggin clue who we, the player base, are.
There needs to be an additional way for players to access the Galaxy X. And I'm sorry Jacob, I tried to remain civil, I really did.
Actually you were quite civil, espescially in comparison to a few nameless others in the other thread ;-)
As to your second point. As you already know, I fully agree with your sentiments. I have even been trying to convey what you said to Engelbert, the person who posted directly above you, but to no avail. Perhaps you could elucidate better than I since you tend to be very clear and succint.
Yes, Cryptic should have bonuses for bringing more players to the game.
However, they should have waited until Season 2 was on the live server. Why? Because first impressions sell your product.
Right now the first impression that someone is going to get from STO is that of a buggy, broken game that's way too light on content. If these same people were invited to join after Season 2, they will presumably see an MMO that has more content, more races, and less bugs. Therefore they are more likely to stay.
Well, why not have a RaF now and later? The problem with that is that you're still limited to mostly the same people who'd be interested, and if they've already tried the game once or twice they'll be statistically less likely to want to give it yet another try.
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All just to Play us for the 5th time I am sorry but I guess I will never see the Galaxy X. I will not do your job. pay me in free time then we will talk. What you sould do is FIX THE GAME. Also GIVE US WHAT YOU PROMISED. then we could get five friends. But I for one, am tired of being scammed by you. it ends here THIS FAR NO FURTHER. :mad:
Well said they do not know us or read what we type here do they.
Seriously - they have a calendar up and do bi-weekly Engineering Reoports that show first hand to the playerbadse what they are working on, and yet, you honestly are trying to post that the Devs are somehow abandoning the game? Wow, I would suggest NREVER playying another MMO as if you think the Devs have somehow 'abandoned' the game because they are adding a 'referal rewards' program (somethiong EVERY current MMO (even Blizzard's World of Warcraft) is doing. This MMO has the most communicative and upfront Dev team in my 13 years of playing MMOs.
If yoyu honestly no longer enjoy the game, I can fully understand quitting; but to infer that the STO Dev Team isn't "sticking with the game"; when there's TONS of written and viual and AVTUAL evidence to the contrary (ie they've added more to the game with a smaller staff in 3 months then I've seen in any MMO to date). Yes, it DID ;launch light on content - but , by the time of the Season 2 update; I think it'll be pretty solid, and just go forward from there.
Again, I'm just amazed how people go off and blow a small situation all out of proportion. Again, other MMOs HAVE done referral rewards programs with 'exclusive' rewards fopr those who participate; but yet again, a small subset of Star Trek fans are up in arms.
You know what I find REALLY amazing is any people say "I can't reccomend this game to a friend, because it sucks." - YET, they are really upset because they CAN'T HAVE a ship's costume of a (now) 'iconic' ship (that appeared for 10 minuites in the final TNG episode) in a game they think sucks, and really don't want to play anymore, because it sucks, and was released unfinshed.
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I must be dumb, because I don't see the logic here - yet that's what a lot of the rage posts here boild down to.
Agreed.
HEHE. True. And let's bring up another topic of discussion. Riker flew that baby Straight up and through the ship as it exploded. So I got 5 players...I got my Fancy ship. Now I want to fly it straight up at a 90 degree turn please!!!!! hehe
I personally don't care about this ship. I don't fly cruisers I love my escort or science vessel. So why would I bother to recruit 5 players for something I don't want. I feel Cryptic fails in this promotion because they cut out a large portion of the player base. Why would anyone who doesn't fly a cruiser or want it as a collectors trophy want to do this? And I 100% agree with you who here has not A: already tried to get some of their wow friends or anyone else to play the game successfully or unsuccessfully doesn't matter it has already been attempted. or B: All our Trek friends already play or are too busy to play. I for one am not going to walk up to strangers to try and sell Cryptic's game without being paid an hourly wage hehe.
Also I do agree that even though I don't see why this ship is so sought after as there are many more cannon ships that seem more exciting to me, some people really want it and therefore should be obtainable somewhere else. To dangle a ship a lot of players have asked for as a reward to a task that really is not possible for most people is rather crass.
I play for hours each day and hardly ever see bugs. The ones I have seen were minor. What a lot of people call bugs are bad computers. That don't meet the minimum requirements.
A lot of the people who think this is a bad idea. Are looking at it with jaded eyes. They don't like the game. They don't want others to like the game. They don't play the game. They don't want others to play the game. They don't think the game should have been released three months ago. They don't think it's enough like EVE.
The fact is the game was released three months ago Cryptic has to go on from here. They have to try and recruit new players and offer free weekends. They need to offer free weekends now and season two and three. Cryptic can't wait till their critics on the forums approve when to start their recruitment program. Because some would say never.
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Hm. That's awfully... cryptic of you. A poster makes a point like that, you could respond in public or at least share what you have to say with more people.
I'm tired of new stuff being cash/gimmick-only in a game I paid $90 for and pay $15.00 a month to play.
This game has more cash-shop items then a lot of Korean f2p MMOs. And it's not F2P. By any means.
I keep seeing a similar sentiment. A LOT of people keep criticizing the developers for being shady or not communicating. And it baffles me. Then I realize ... not everyone knows about the engi reports. No matter how many times dstahl links them in his posts.
And not everyone reads the dev tracker. Or clicks on the "dev post" button on threads that have dev posts in them.
So some folks actually think this. They're just not up to speed yet. Crazy, but true. If they'd check out a few of the Engineering Reports ... they'd see how many times dstahl answers a dozen questions in one post.
That's been one of the things that stumps me. A lot. Some posters just get finished posting in a thread about how unfinished this game is. How they don't play. How bored they are. How they want to or are going to quit. How they can't possibly refer this game to 5 strangers, let alone friends. And then jump into a thread about this ship that was seen in one episode and get very very passionate and frustrated about how they can't fly this ship. In this game they can no longer stand. What's the point of getting a ship for a game they don't want to play? I am stumped.
What I had to say to him, was specifically addressed to him. If I wanted to make a public statement I would have. But since it was private, then it is essentially none of your business.
And as for his "points" they have already been addressed, by myself, Peregrine_Falcon and others. He replies with sweeping generalizations and generally refuses to counter someone's argument by not making specific reference or addressing particular points.
If someone wants to take the time to bring five people on or even spend their own money it is their business, its not anyones fault that you lacks the means. Stop crying about every single thing its embarrassing.
That's about as civil as I can be on the subject.
Who cares about the ship?* I think it's a cow. I'd pay to prevent it from replacing any ship in my inventory.
But it's going to have the forward cannon and maybe cloak. That's straight from dstahl's text. That's mechanics that aren't available in-game yet without any assurances the new tier 5's coming in season 2 are going to have even similar options.
*Some number of people who aren't me.
I agree with you. But the point some people currently are trying to make is that the RAF program is currently flawed.
1. It only offers a cruiser ship. Where is the science, escort for the people who don't like cruisers.
2. The game is still a bit rough around the edges. It would have been better to try and recruit after season 2 when the game will be in better shape.
3. Offering an item that is A. Cannon B. very mush sought after by it would seem a lot of players is only going to frustrate people who have already most likely recruited all their friends they know of or they are already playing. I personally do not know 5 people I could ask who might want to play this game that are already no playing. And for those who have been waiting for this ship they are left with it dangling in front of them and they will probably never see it. Even though I could care less about that ship I can understand that frustration.
RAF's are fine. C-store items are fine.. IMHO. But never put game changing things or iconic items in the C-store or in hard to get promos. This is the points these threads are trying to get across. There has been a lot of brain-dead whining about some ridiculous things in these forums but there has been some decent arguments as well. And I may not agree with the overall negative overtones of the OP I do feel he has a point here.
The forward cannon will be like the Red matter you got with the pre order nice but not that effective, and as for the cloak first it's huge maybe and secondly I'm smelling a nerfed all to hell gimmick if they do add it...ether way it's not nearly worth all the QQ that it has been producing...god I would hate to see the angst if something major was announced.:rolleyes:
I agree. Just like the Olympic class, and we all know that isn't in the game yet...
oh, wai...
So either I get a better wage for expanding the client base (education and resume available upon request) for out of game time, or some method of putting these content pieces in the game.
People will buy five subs just to get one...which was certainly considered when implementing this.
I'll be very curious to see the ship's finalized attributes. If they are game changing---like it gives the Feds a cloak or something----then there is going to be a major storm on the horizon.
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Why not? If you want to keep the reward 'special' and have it 'mean' something, you limit the number of them that can be obtained. Having the Galaxy-X as a RAF reward makes sense, and is a good thing.
Why? Why should an iconic, canon ship with new gameplay elements be exclusive?
You people make absolutely no argument as to why it should be other than "it's a good thing."
That's not an argument. That's a mantra.
And your mantra is 'it's not fair because I want it and don't have anyone to refer' which also, is not an argument.
RAF rewards need to be exclusive to RAF programs, I know of no MMO that makes their RAF rewards available outside of the RAF program. If they become available outside of the RAF, they could lose their appeal as a 'reward' since others would be able to obtain it without having to do anything, except, QQ on the forums because life isn't fair.