You seem to be good at making assumptions - and you know what they say about those people. Heck, I'll even give you a hint, its the first three letters of the word assumptions.
LoL, complaining about PVP...just WoW. Try taking some courses in reading comprehension.
What Id love to see would be a rule that you have no right to complain about a race or its abilities or anything about it at all unless you can prove you have a character that has made it to the top in that faction.
No BG5 Klingon? No posting or comment about Klingon abilities in pvp.
No RA5 Fed? No complaining about fed abilities in pvp.
Also devs not being allowed to take input from anyone on pvp matters unless they prove to have a top ranked character on both sides of the factions in question.
I honest believe what would of happened update wise with the above rules would of been:
The carriers would of lost some of what they are spawning out. (Which it sounds like that is what happened.
Sub nuke and vm wouldnt be in the game anymore or would be nerf a ton.
FBP would be removed or nerfed to death.
I doubt much else would of been changed in my opinion.
Before going off on me as Im sure someone will. Notice I said my opinion.
Also I dont think eps would of been touched and thers a good chance cannons would of been left alone. Rapid fire would of been fixed like it was suposed to be though.
What worries me about the eps stuff isnt anything to do with the klingons and cannons. My fleet members have already completed testing this to get around the changes and find it actually makes anyone using the a cannon far more powerful and deadly than they were before
The part that worries me is the effect on cruisers on the fed side. A cruiser with 2 eps relays giving 3.0 now before the nerf will see weapon power levels going down into the 50's. After the nerfing the eps relays will get I dont see the poor fed cruisers being able to fight worth a flip. None of my guys did testing on this so we will just have to wait and see if its as horrible as it looks like it might end up being.
LoL, Apparently I overestimated your reading abilities aswell. Please, read to me the first post in this forum, that we are currently talking in? Well, I don't want to put you on the spot about that whole "reading" thing, so Ill make easier on you..
"They can now keep us uncloaked......"
Lets break it down now..
They = Federation
Us = Klingons
Uncloaked = Power used in... PVP
You really need to talk more, your making yourself look so smart!
This is completely false. The only thing a fully buffed Fire on my mark gives is at most an extra ~1.5km of detection based on actual testing on Tribble.
And that is only relevant to a fleeing BOP, yet any intelligent BOP pilot isn't even going to battle cloak at such a short range anyways.
Wow! just wow, you know we can only get about half of our T5 pvp gear right?
Those OP T5 klinks your talking about have a disadvantage due to our shield vendor being broke since closed beta.
If your saying that klinks, with sub par T5 gear are OP the you my sir are nucking futs
No I'm not saying Klingons are overpowered, I'm saying they have an advantage in T5 PvP at the moment despite their subpar gear. It's not a gigantic advantage, but it's there. I play at least 8 or 9 PvP matches a day, so I have some idea what I am talking about.
This is completely false. The only thing a fully buffed Fire on my mark gives is at most an extra ~1.5km of detection based on actual testing on Tribble.
And that is only relevant to a fleeing BOP, yet any intelligent BOP pilot isn't even going to battle cloak at such a short range anyways.
It is entirely pointless in any other situation.
I wasn't saying anything.. I was telling the other poster, that this was a disscussion involving PvP. I don't mind the update to cloak. Its only fair in my book.
Im not quite sure what you're even trying to argue at this point... But don't let me stop your timeless whining about Cryptic's hate of the Klingon faction.
I have a Rear Admiral 5 Fed toon who i regularly take into PvP matches and do rather well. I also have a BG5 Klingon toon who i regularly take into PvP matches and do well. The balance imo is already there.
I have noticed that the whiny minority, the people complaining on the fed side about the Klingons being OP, and on the Klingon side about how there isn't enough PvE and I cant lvl my Klinker, both of these groups are generally the ones who get their behinds handed too them regularly in PvP matches!
Sadly Cryptic have listened to their bleating and very soon, you will be able to get your Klingon all the way up to BG5 without having had a single PvP match, of course you can bet that when these PvP virgins get to BG5 they will be full of stories of all their great PvP victories against the weak minded Fed dogs blah blah blah.
The Klingons faction i fear is about to fail, as soon as the PvE content becomes available the number of people on the fed side will drop slightly as they rush to try out the new bubble wrapped fluffy Klingon faction, this will have a small effect on the cues, couple that with the introduction of FvF PvP which will have a massive effect on the ques. Very soon we will be hard pushed to put a decent match together.
Im a lifer in this game, its a good thing for Cryptic that i am, because if i was paying a sub id be seriously considering cancelling it, not because im upset of nerfs etc, but because CRYptic insistence on listing to the whiny minority and lack of backbone when it comes to sticking to their own agendas (The Klingon faction will only be a PvP faction etc)
People can say and promise alot of stuff out there. I've been around MMOs where developers kept making fabulous promises of future fixes / updates / content / etc., and only to be kept on being led along by that carrot for prolonged periods.
SOE readily comes to mind in this regard.
Until the stuff is on the live server, all this talk is just that... just a bunch of talk, and a bit of baiting along.
And Brodie0854, the Klingon faction has already failed. If you have any doubts, log into Fed Sol space... or any Fed sector blocks... then log into your Klingon character to any KDF zones... and honestly tell me that Cryptic has not failed the Klingon faction.
Im not quite sure what you're even trying to argue at this point... But don't let me stop your timeless whining about Cryptic's hate of the Klingon faction.
You might want to take a momenat and re-read the above forum posts - or continue prattling on with nothing relevant to add.
I have a Rear Admiral 5 Fed toon who i regularly take into PvP matches and do rather well. I also have a BG5 Klingon toon who i regularly take into PvP matches and do well. The balance imo is already there.
I have noticed that the whiny minority, the people complaining on the fed side about the Klingons being OP, and on the Klingon side about how there isn't enough PvE and I cant lvl my Klinker, both of these groups are generally the ones who get their behinds handed too them regularly in PvP matches!
Sadly Cryptic have listened to their bleating and very soon, you will be able to get your Klingon all the way up to BG5 without having had a single PvP match, of course you can bet that when these PvP virgins get to BG5 they will be full of stories of all their great PvP victories against the weak minded Fed dogs blah blah blah.
The Klingons faction i fear is about to fail, as soon as the PvE content becomes available the number of people on the fed side will drop slightly as they rush to try out the new bubble wrapped fluffy Klingon faction, this will have a small effect on the cues, couple that with the introduction of FvF PvP which will have a massive effect on the ques. Very soon we will be hard pushed to put a decent match together.
Im a lifer in this game, its a good thing for Cryptic that i am, because if i was paying a sub id be seriously considering cancelling it, not because im upset of nerfs etc, but because CRYptic insistence on listing to the whiny minority and lack of backbone when it comes to sticking to their own agendas (The Klingon faction will only be a PvP faction etc)
Amen. Cryptic needs to form groups like another poster mentioned with the requirement they have a top character on both sides. In my opinion only people who have done that have a freaking clue about pvp since they have seen it from both sides at all levels of the game.
Have those people make recommendations to cryptic about the pvp system.
Amen. Cryptic needs to form groups like another poster mentioned with the requirement they have a top character on both sides. In my opinion only people who have done that have a freaking clue about pvp since they have seen it from both sides at all levels of the game.
Have those people make recommendations to cryptic about the pvp system.
That still doesn't guarantee anything. I've a 45 on both sides and I PvP both sides, yet I still end up on the wrong end of 0-15 drubbings.
I have a Rear Admiral 5 Fed toon who i regularly take into PvP matches and do rather well. I also have a BG5 Klingon toon who i regularly take into PvP matches and do well. The balance imo is already there.
I have noticed that the whiny minority, the people complaining on the fed side about the Klingons being OP, and on the Klingon side about how there isn't enough PvE and I cant lvl my Klinker, both of these groups are generally the ones who get their behinds handed too them regularly in PvP matches!
Sadly Cryptic have listened to their bleating and very soon, you will be able to get your Klingon all the way up to BG5 without having had a single PvP match, of course you can bet that when these PvP virgins get to BG5 they will be full of stories of all their great PvP victories against the weak minded Fed dogs blah blah blah.
The Klingons faction i fear is about to fail, as soon as the PvE content becomes available the number of people on the fed side will drop slightly as they rush to try out the new bubble wrapped fluffy Klingon faction, this will have a small effect on the cues, couple that with the introduction of FvF PvP which will have a massive effect on the ques. Very soon we will be hard pushed to put a decent match together.
Im a lifer in this game, its a good thing for Cryptic that i am, because if i was paying a sub id be seriously considering cancelling it, not because im upset of nerfs etc, but because CRYptic insistence on listing to the whiny minority and lack of backbone when it comes to sticking to their own agendas (The Klingon faction will only be a PvP faction etc)
I think your somewhat right, I don't think that Cryptic will totally get rid of the PvP aspect of the Klingon faction, but it will incorporate some PvE in there. WHICH was most likely their plan all along, its just that the "whiny minority" as you put, can't deal with that, and want to be BOOM Brig. General in 5 days like their Federation characters...
Like our friend, Serpieri.
But as for Que's I think it will be harder to find a match, more in lower levels than anything for a leveling Klingon player. Its hard enough now finding a game at Lt. Commander and Commander, and when they add FvF it will be harder.. But once the PvE comes out, you will have something to do when PvP gets slow.
I don't understand why people expect so much out of this game, when its been out all of 30 days. Im all for yelling at Devs, but they haven't had the time to make any MAJOR mistakes yet... give them time, and let the updates come out.
I truly don't see what the issue is here. When you are uncloaked they have an ability that prevents you from cloaking.....that is unless of course you are equipped with tactical team. Then its a wash. The real issue here is it appears that the Star Trek fans are being made to suffer at the crying of those WOW transplants who either don't know what they are doing and think a class is OP because they were killed, or just don't understand that a zerg is a zerg in any game. Crying about cloak quite honestly is an insult to Star Trek.
Do I think that obvious exploits need addressing yes, yes I do. I have a RA5 Fed Science Vessel, and currently a Capt 5 BoP. I have pvp'd with both and can honestly say...9/10 the Science Vessel wins solo. Now at the Capt lvl and above depending on how you spec that percentage lowers, but anyone thinking a Fed vessel isn't vastly superior to Klingon vessels are just kidding themselves. Simple fact is at the LComm lvl my shields on my science vessel were double what they currently are on my Capt lvl BoP. Before crying the dreaded "OP" chant of death, try leveling in both factions. You will soon come to realize just how balanced things really are.
So I say to those who instead of using a caculated plan of attack other than faceroll....faceroll....faceroll...I win want to cry about balance. I say to you take your honorless Pa'tok back to WOW where you belong and leave this MMO to the true fans.
*as a side note* I also appreciate some of the changes coming down to help correct the exploit of cannons/turrents..... nothing worse than watching your shields peel away faster than a butt naked biker sliding on his butt after falling off his bike at 100 miles an hour.
I truly don't see what the issue is here. When you are uncloaked they have an ability that prevents you from cloaking.....that is unless of course you are equipped with tactical team. Then its a wash. The real issue here is it appears that the Star Trek fans are being made to suffer at the crying of those WOW transplants who either don't know what they are doing and think a class is OP because they were killed, or just don't understand that a zerg is a zerg in any game. Crying about cloak quite honestly is an insult to Star Trek.
Do I think that obvious exploits need addressing yes, yes I do. I have a RA5 Fed Science Vessel, and currently a Capt 5 BoP. I have pvp'd with both and can honestly say...9/10 the Science Vessel wins solo. Now at the Capt lvl and above depending on how you spec that percentage lowers, but anyone thinking a Fed vessel isn't vastly superior to Klingon vessels are just kidding themselves. Simple fact is at the LComm lvl my shields on my science vessel were double what they currently are on my Capt lvl BoP. Before crying the dreaded "OP" chant of death, try leveling in both factions. You will soon come to realize just how balanced things really are.
So I say to those who instead of using a caculated plan of attack other than faceroll....faceroll....faceroll...I win want to cry about balance. I say to you take your honorless Pa'tok back to WOW where you belong and leave this MMO to the true fans.
*as a side note* I also appreciate some of the changes coming down to help correct the exploit of cannons/turrents..... nothing worse than watching your shields peel away faster than a butt naked biker sliding on his butt after falling off his bike at 100 miles an hour.
100% CORRECT
This is the most valid post in this thread. Feds should not cry nerf unless they have played both classes.
That's like saying that a scoop of chocolate icecream will kill you even though you have only ever eaten vanilla.
100% CORRECT
This is the most valid post in this thread. Feds should not cry nerf unless they have played both classes.
That's like saying that a scoop of chocolate icecream will kill you even though you have only ever eaten vanilla.
if they were smart they would link the forum accounts to your user accounts, and display all your characters and their levels along the left side so you can see someones credibility right next to their post.
That's like saying that a scoop of chocolate ice cream will kill you
I'm allergic to cow's milk.
*weeps*
Agreed though. If you really want to know how to defeat a particular class/ship combo in combat, play it! The only way you'll ever learn how to counter those moves is to make them your own.
I really feel bad for the Lifetime Subscribers, who play Klingon. As it is I'm struggling to make it to July, where we get monsterplay in green lighting..
Looks like it's time to start MMO shopping again...
It's people like you who are impatient and scare people off, the game is getting updated fast...
I think your somewhat right, I don't think that Cryptic will totally get rid of the PvP aspect of the Klingon faction, but it will incorporate some PvE in there. WHICH was most likely their plan all along, its just that the "whiny minority" as you put, can't deal with that, and want to be BOOM Brig. General in 5 days like their Federation characters...
Like our friend, Serpieri.
But as for Que's I think it will be harder to find a match, more in lower levels than anything for a leveling Klingon player. Its hard enough now finding a game at Lt. Commander and Commander, and when they add FvF it will be harder.. But once the PvE comes out, you will have something to do when PvP gets slow.
I don't understand why people expect so much out of this game, when its been out all of 30 days. Im all for yelling at Devs, but they haven't had the time to make any MAJOR mistakes yet... give them time, and let the updates come out.
I love people that make assumptions just shows that the old saying is true those that make them are the first three letters of the word. So let me once again educate another clueless federation player. I have two Klingon Generals - been here since closed beta. On a challenge, I created a Fed toon to see what all the FED QQ was about that we hear constantly on nerfing this and that. The PVE in beta actually provided a challenge and it can now be done with no thought required, much like how FEDs PVP. Its a good thing I had the forethought to join a a Fed Fleet that PVPd then rely on poor players. However, In your case Skapek, based on the dribble that you spew daily I would not be surprised to learn how many times you have stared at a respawn button.
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Its not suppose to prevent cloak - only make it easier for you to be detected. FYI - it can be removed with Tactical Team.
PS. It's in the March 12th tribble notes about stealth.
I accept your surrender.
No BG5 Klingon? No posting or comment about Klingon abilities in pvp.
No RA5 Fed? No complaining about fed abilities in pvp.
Also devs not being allowed to take input from anyone on pvp matters unless they prove to have a top ranked character on both sides of the factions in question.
I honest believe what would of happened update wise with the above rules would of been:
The carriers would of lost some of what they are spawning out. (Which it sounds like that is what happened.
Sub nuke and vm wouldnt be in the game anymore or would be nerf a ton.
FBP would be removed or nerfed to death.
I doubt much else would of been changed in my opinion.
Before going off on me as Im sure someone will. Notice I said my opinion.
Also I dont think eps would of been touched and thers a good chance cannons would of been left alone. Rapid fire would of been fixed like it was suposed to be though.
What worries me about the eps stuff isnt anything to do with the klingons and cannons. My fleet members have already completed testing this to get around the changes and find it actually makes anyone using the a cannon far more powerful and deadly than they were before
The part that worries me is the effect on cruisers on the fed side. A cruiser with 2 eps relays giving 3.0 now before the nerf will see weapon power levels going down into the 50's. After the nerfing the eps relays will get I dont see the poor fed cruisers being able to fight worth a flip. None of my guys did testing on this so we will just have to wait and see if its as horrible as it looks like it might end up being.
"Reading Comprehension" - look it up
Once again, your arguements are invalid.
This is completely false. The only thing a fully buffed Fire on my mark gives is at most an extra ~1.5km of detection based on actual testing on Tribble.
And that is only relevant to a fleeing BOP, yet any intelligent BOP pilot isn't even going to battle cloak at such a short range anyways.
It is entirely pointless in any other situation.
Wow! just wow, you know we can only get about half of our T5 pvp gear right?
Those OP T5 klinks your talking about have a disadvantage due to our shield vendor being broke since closed beta.
If your saying that klinks, with sub par T5 gear are OP the you my sir are nucking futs
No I'm not saying Klingons are overpowered, I'm saying they have an advantage in T5 PvP at the moment despite their subpar gear. It's not a gigantic advantage, but it's there. I play at least 8 or 9 PvP matches a day, so I have some idea what I am talking about.
Well then, I welcome that improvement, I mean geez, that skill in itself was completely useless, but mebbe has some real use to it.
FvF tactics? ....a mini fed ball v a mini fed ball. Which ever has the most VM's win.
Once again, your making blatant assumptions.
This is a Lie NOTHING removes it , we reported it as a bug , but who knows?
I wasn't saying anything.. I was telling the other poster, that this was a disscussion involving PvP. I don't mind the update to cloak. Its only fair in my book.
Im not quite sure what you're even trying to argue at this point... But don't let me stop your timeless whining about Cryptic's hate of the Klingon faction.
I have noticed that the whiny minority, the people complaining on the fed side about the Klingons being OP, and on the Klingon side about how there isn't enough PvE and I cant lvl my Klinker, both of these groups are generally the ones who get their behinds handed too them regularly in PvP matches!
Sadly Cryptic have listened to their bleating and very soon, you will be able to get your Klingon all the way up to BG5 without having had a single PvP match, of course you can bet that when these PvP virgins get to BG5 they will be full of stories of all their great PvP victories against the weak minded Fed dogs blah blah blah.
The Klingons faction i fear is about to fail, as soon as the PvE content becomes available the number of people on the fed side will drop slightly as they rush to try out the new bubble wrapped fluffy Klingon faction, this will have a small effect on the cues, couple that with the introduction of FvF PvP which will have a massive effect on the ques. Very soon we will be hard pushed to put a decent match together.
Im a lifer in this game, its a good thing for Cryptic that i am, because if i was paying a sub id be seriously considering cancelling it, not because im upset of nerfs etc, but because CRYptic insistence on listing to the whiny minority and lack of backbone when it comes to sticking to their own agendas (The Klingon faction will only be a PvP faction etc)
SOE readily comes to mind in this regard.
Until the stuff is on the live server, all this talk is just that... just a bunch of talk, and a bit of baiting along.
And Brodie0854, the Klingon faction has already failed. If you have any doubts, log into Fed Sol space... or any Fed sector blocks... then log into your Klingon character to any KDF zones... and honestly tell me that Cryptic has not failed the Klingon faction.
You might want to take a momenat and re-read the above forum posts - or continue prattling on with nothing relevant to add.
Amen. Cryptic needs to form groups like another poster mentioned with the requirement they have a top character on both sides. In my opinion only people who have done that have a freaking clue about pvp since they have seen it from both sides at all levels of the game.
Have those people make recommendations to cryptic about the pvp system.
That still doesn't guarantee anything. I've a 45 on both sides and I PvP both sides, yet I still end up on the wrong end of 0-15 drubbings.
come on syn, you had to know by now that we kilnks are just end game fodder for the feds.
I think your somewhat right, I don't think that Cryptic will totally get rid of the PvP aspect of the Klingon faction, but it will incorporate some PvE in there. WHICH was most likely their plan all along, its just that the "whiny minority" as you put, can't deal with that, and want to be BOOM Brig. General in 5 days like their Federation characters...
Like our friend, Serpieri.
But as for Que's I think it will be harder to find a match, more in lower levels than anything for a leveling Klingon player. Its hard enough now finding a game at Lt. Commander and Commander, and when they add FvF it will be harder.. But once the PvE comes out, you will have something to do when PvP gets slow.
I don't understand why people expect so much out of this game, when its been out all of 30 days. Im all for yelling at Devs, but they haven't had the time to make any MAJOR mistakes yet... give them time, and let the updates come out.
Do I think that obvious exploits need addressing yes, yes I do. I have a RA5 Fed Science Vessel, and currently a Capt 5 BoP. I have pvp'd with both and can honestly say...9/10 the Science Vessel wins solo. Now at the Capt lvl and above depending on how you spec that percentage lowers, but anyone thinking a Fed vessel isn't vastly superior to Klingon vessels are just kidding themselves. Simple fact is at the LComm lvl my shields on my science vessel were double what they currently are on my Capt lvl BoP. Before crying the dreaded "OP" chant of death, try leveling in both factions. You will soon come to realize just how balanced things really are.
So I say to those who instead of using a caculated plan of attack other than faceroll....faceroll....faceroll...I win want to cry about balance. I say to you take your honorless Pa'tok back to WOW where you belong and leave this MMO to the true fans.
*as a side note* I also appreciate some of the changes coming down to help correct the exploit of cannons/turrents..... nothing worse than watching your shields peel away faster than a butt naked biker sliding on his butt after falling off his bike at 100 miles an hour.
100% CORRECT
This is the most valid post in this thread. Feds should not cry nerf unless they have played both classes.
That's like saying that a scoop of chocolate icecream will kill you even though you have only ever eaten vanilla.
Woah there buddy! Don't even joke about that!!
/boring
if they were smart they would link the forum accounts to your user accounts, and display all your characters and their levels along the left side so you can see someones credibility right next to their post.
*weeps*
Agreed though. If you really want to know how to defeat a particular class/ship combo in combat, play it! The only way you'll ever learn how to counter those moves is to make them your own.
it doesn't really make sense, but it sounds good.
-ken
It's people like you who are impatient and scare people off, the game is getting updated fast...
I love people that make assumptions just shows that the old saying is true those that make them are the first three letters of the word. So let me once again educate another clueless federation player. I have two Klingon Generals - been here since closed beta. On a challenge, I created a Fed toon to see what all the FED QQ was about that we hear constantly on nerfing this and that. The PVE in beta actually provided a challenge and it can now be done with no thought required, much like how FEDs PVP. Its a good thing I had the forethought to join a a Fed Fleet that PVPd then rely on poor players. However, In your case Skapek, based on the dribble that you spew daily I would not be surprised to learn how many times you have stared at a respawn button.