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edited March 2010 in Klingon Discussion
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=139687


They can now keep us uncloaked......
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Federation Online...:(

    I really feel bad for the Lifetime Subscribers, who play Klingon. As it is I'm struggling to make it to July, where we get monsterplay in green lighting..

    Looks like it's time to start MMO shopping again...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Elkantar wrote:
    So you nerf cryers hope you enjoy your last days of klingon faction :)

    Fire on my Mark has no an 60 seconds anti Cloak buff
    Carriers can now jump only 8 Fighters in and out of Combat.

    Devs take also please 10k hull of us, and maybe rename it in Federation Online.

    Not everyone has access to Test server news.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Looks like it's time to start MMO shopping again...
    KotOR MMO should be in Beta soon... if that helps any.
    Beyond that, I haven't heard of any new ones, just console/pc non-MMO stuff.

    On topic, Science gets an AoE scan, now Tac has ST one, and I'm sure Eng will get a specific one too... then there are the powers that knock out cloak as well. Sensor Scan + BO skills was enough, it is not OP if players don't use the tools properly or at all to begin with in the first place.

    Meh... probably wasting my breath, I've been stating the above time and again, yet no one listens.
    Fed PuG PvP are like those that repeatedly run face first into a wall, get knocked out, and each new time, expect a different result.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Let the Klingon tears flow readily.:)

    Honestly, just because your faction is in a skeleton state which also makes it more time consuming to level doesn't mean you should have an advantage in PvP. Whine about the subpar state of the Klingon faction as a whole, you'd have a point then. But whining about pvp balance issues just makes you look silly.
    I especially had to laugh about the Blood of Kahless guy's threat of them all leaving the game over this. Kahless himself would be ashamed at reading that.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    so now the Klinks QQing about pvp balance...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Honestly, just because your faction is in a skeleton state which also makes it more time consuming to level doesn't mean you should have an advantage in PvP.

    Well, you seem to wanna be a Romulan, see how ya like it when they make that playable, and you get the same treatment. Truly, the whole, " It doesn't affect me, why should I care? " or " It benefits me but hurts the other guy " TRIBBLE has got to GO!

    Why do Klingons have cloak other than it being canon?
    They give up 1x bridge officer for it on ALL ships
    Battle cloak yields slower weapon slot progression
    Raptors and BoP are also -debuff, -buff, -hull, so that means any debuffs they use are lower, and buffs they use are lower, and it's easier to kill them.

    So, where is the true advantage?
    There is none other dictation of the battle engagement time and place, and somewhat an escape.
    If they didn't have this, Fed would be able to faceroll Klingons. Why do you think BO skills in Holodeck that show cloaked ships or disable the cloak are so powerful for Fed? ... I'll stop kicking the dead horse now... if people just opened their eyes and looked things, from other than their own narrow view, we'd be better off.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    L2P

    Just kidding.

    Seriously though how could you guys not expect the carrier bug to be fixed? Carriers were so OP it was ridiculous. The cloaking change though seems to basically negate battle cloak vs tacs not so sure about that one. I would have much preferred to see a FBP nerf, but im sure thats around the corner, FvF is going to be FBP city.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I dont know what to say really. We have fought and fought, yet it has gotten us nowhere.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    K.

    I play Klingon and Federation.. Its just making it more even.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Manannan wrote:
    L2P

    Just kidding.

    Seriously though how could you guys not expect the carrier bug to be fixed? Carriers were so OP it was ridiculous. The cloaking change though seems to basically negate battle cloak vs tacs not so sure about that one. I would have much preferred to see a FBP nerf, but im sure thats around the corner, FvF is going to be FBP city.

    I didn't find the carrier thing being much of an issue other than for targeting. (before someone says, well you haven't faced 2+ doing it before) YES I HAVE

    FBP - easily countered in many ways, mainly STOP SHOOTING, but yea, I'm sure it'll get nerfed, cus that concept escapes ppl as well what is being done to make FBP so deadly. (I laugh when FBP is used vs my cruiser/escort/sv actually)

    Cloak - above and beyond "hate the player" towards 1 faction
    L2P

    Just kidding.

    Honestly, I wish more people would. Brain = more than some squishy thing to keep the draft down between the ears...
    I dont know what to say really. We have fought and fought, yet it has gotten us nowhere.

    Sure it did... a lot of klingons are looking at other games to play...

    I find it very odd, how Cryptic wanted to appease the Klingon players, or players who wanted to be Klingons, but lack of content / forced pvp dissuaded them, and then do this.
    It's like giving them a sugar cube, only to smash them in the nads, and expect them to be thankful.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well, you seem to wanna be a Romulan, see how ya like it when they make that playable, and you get the same treatment. Truly, the whole, " It doesn't affect me, why should I care? " or " It benefits me but hurts the other guy " TRIBBLE has got to GO!

    I would be glad if I could play a Romulan, and upset if they were the same skeleton faction as the Klingons are now. I would not be crying murder if the romulans where too powerful in pvp at some aspects and were nerfed because of that.

    From playing both Federation and Klingon Empire, I can safely say Klingons have the advantage in T5 PvP, mainly due to the carrier npc swarm and the crowd control options for Bird of Preys.
    Why do Klingons have cloak other than it being canon?
    They give up 1x bridge officer for it on ALL ships
    Battle cloak yields slower weapon slot progression
    Raptors and BoP are also -debuff, -buff, -hull, so that means any debuffs they use are lower, and buffs they use are lower, and it's easier to kill them.

    So, where is the true advantage?

    If you cannot see the advantage of cloak then I suggest you play a Federation character and fight a good Klingon premade. Andhonestly, 1 ability on tactical captains that prevents 1 ship from battlecloaking or running away + cloaking hardly makes cloak invalid.

    There is none other dictation of the battle engagement time and place, and somewhat an escape.
    If they didn't have this, Fed would be able to faceroll Klingons. Why do you think BO skills in Holodeck that show cloaked ships or disable the cloak are so powerful for Fed? ... I'll stop kicking the dead horse now... if people just opened their eyes and looked things, from other than their own narrow view, we'd be better off.

    Dication of of time and place is one of the key important things in any battle, be it historical, contemporary or imaginative.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~Q
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I would be glad if I could play a Romulan, and upset if they were the same skeleton faction as the Klingons are now. I would not be crying murder if the romulans where too powerful in pvp at some aspects and were nerfed because of that.

    I wanted to be Romulans myself... but that's neither here nor there... sadly
    If they were obviously more powerful, I would agree, but it's tactics, skill, and experience, as well as teamwork that's winning 90% of matches.
    If you cannot see the advantage of cloak then I suggest you play a Federation character and fight a good Klingon premade. Andhonestly, 1 ability on tactical captains that prevents 1 ship from battlecloaking or running away + cloaking hardly makes cloak invalid.

    I've said this many times before, maybe should state it again....
    RA5x2, C6 all Fed toons, and I PvP with them. My Klingon is on Tribble, I redid my old one to my C6, cus of the lack of KDF content. What I'm saying is, stacking the deck vs an already abundant cache of cloak detection/cancel is getting out of hand. I'm not saying it makes it invalid, I'm saying it's getting freakin old.
    There are over 11 BO/Capt skills alone, that can do this already. Why do we need another constant 360, 10km one? Tac/Escort can't kill a BoP before the 16sec cd is over? HIS PROB, learn to counter w/ other ways than PEW PEW PEW wash/rinse/repeat....

    I REFUSE to suffer and bow down to someone's lack of ability, thought, or skill, especially when it's trying to be forced upon me, just to cater to some twit, whom only wants more buffs for them, and more nerfs for other guys. NO NO NO.. I've had enough over years of PvP in MMO's.

    BTW, I know full well the potential of cloak, battle cloak, premades. It's not a new concept for me. Matter of fact, I was actually upset that space combat wasn't 360 degrees and 3D. (it negated a lot of moves, that helped make faster ships more of a threat, as well as negated the defensive abilities due to movement/turn/climb speeds)
    Dication of of time and place is one of the key important things in any battle, be it historical, contemporary or imaginative.
    I'm versed in military thinking, so again, it's nothing new. However, as has been proven in history, just being able to state when/where a battle takes place, doesn't mean you won. Alexander proved that definitively, as have other generals/leaders. It takes a host of things to be present before battle, happen during battle, and what is learned afterwards from the battle as a whole.

    So.. if you want some proof to the pudding here ya go..
    Questions to ask as a Klingon before battle..
    1. What race?
    2. What skill traits?
    3. What profession? (for lack of better term to discern tac/sci/eng)
    4. What ship?
    5. What loadout? (weap/dish/con)
    6. What officer skills?
    7. How do I want to approach combat?
    8. How will I do dmg?
    9. How will I survive return fire?
    10. Does all this mesh w/ tactics?
    11. Do I have counters for X, Y, Z?
    12. Am I doing a pre-made / pug?
    13. Can I expect support?
    14. What tactics are a unit are we using?

    Must I go into depth, or do ya get the idea, that I know what I'm talkin about?
    Do I even envision battles in my head, to perceive possible outcomes, counters, or approaches to a situation? Yes. You have to, if you want to always try to get better.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Can someone like, post the effects of that ability? Like, how exactly does it effect cloak--is it a targeting debuff of a single ship, a boost to the tactical officer's perception, or what? What's the cooldown? Has anyone been hit by on on the test server to gauge its effects?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    i take it this new buff can be removed with tac team.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ridiculously overblown issue as I'm understanding it. The new stealth debuff does not prevent you from cloaking, it only makes detection easier, and going by the numbers I saw its half as effective as the sensor scan debuff, AND, this is the big and, you are already revealed before this debuff can even be applied.

    Therefore its only a potential issue to BOPs who just have to retreat further to battle cloak, and whose previous foes were only science ships and science captains. Everyone else can cloak like normal, but may get seen earlier if the debuff is still running. Tactical team will remove the debuff. It affects nothing whatsoever if you never recloak, and does not do anything to reveal you before your initial attack.


    The carrier thing is a known bug/exploit fix! Everyone should have known this was coming for a while now. If carriers suck, then now that the exploit is gone, you can get some actual "real world" testing done to see what needs to be improved rather than everyone skewing the results because they exploit a bug.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Don't know what your on about with the "abundant decloaking thing", sensor scan needs like everything you have in equipment and maxed skills to do well, and by well I mean, "ooh I used it at the right time to spot the klingon just out of wpns range/just coming into optimal", not that awesome really.

    I'd be with you if FoMM stopped cloak but apparently it doesn't.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Too many kneejerk reactions to EVERYTHING.

    "Oh noes, my EPS been nerfed!" - You now have to balence your playstyle with your choice with your engineering
    consoles. 2 EPS consoles are more than enough to maintain the following:
    Assault Cruiser: 3 Beam Arrays, 3 Turrets, Rapid Fire/Beam Overload
    T5 Escort/Raptor: 1 Dual Beam Bank, 2 Dual Heavy Cannons, 2 Turrets, 1 Beam Array, Rapid Fire/Beam Overload spam
    T5 Bird of Prey: 1 Dual Cannon/Dual Beam Bank, 2 Dual Heavy Cannons, 2 Turrets, Rapid Fire/Beam Overload spam
    T5 Battlecruiser: Every possible weapon loadout
    That's everything I've tested and still testing on Tribble. You just have to be smarter about when you drop out of Full Impulse.

    "Oh noes, my cannons been nerfed!" - The power drain needed to be adjusted because it's broken on Holodeck. Currently, all cannons drain 5. On Tribble, Cannons, Dual Cannons, and Turrets drain 8, Dual Heavy Cannons drain 12, this brings them in line with all beams since they drain 10.

    "Oh noes, my turrets been nerfed!" - Power drain is now 8, up from 6 on Holodeck. Considering the arc and Rapid Fire, this is fine. The drain is not nearly as bad as people say it is.

    "Oh noes, my cloak been nerfed!" - Fire on my Mark provides a slight debuff to stealth, IT DOES NOT DISABLE CLOAK. THE ONLY WAY TO DISABLE CLOAK IS TO COMPLETELY DRAIN AUXILIARY POWER, COMPLETELY DRAIN. You can cure it with Tactical Team if you don't mind your other Teams being on cooldown. Cloak and Battle Cloak now carry a slight penalty to defense, this is to keep Birds of Prey in line with the new speed-based defense mechanics. Yes, now people will have a slight advantage if they ambush a cloaked ship that isn't moving. It's no different than the advantage a cloaked ship has with its ambush.

    I have no comment regarding Carriers. I have always regarded them an easy target on my Starfleet character as long as the swarm doesn't get me and I do not use them on my KDF character.

    What we need is less of this "OH NOES THE SKY IS FALLING" and more science. As in testing. We need more people on Tribble, KDF and Starfleet to test EVERYTHING. More people to provide feedback on EVERYTHING. There are no PvP matches at all, FvF, FvK, KvK, everything. There is a new ground map and I have seen ZERO feedback on it. There have been some changes to ground PvP and I have seen ZERO feedback on it. There is KDF PvE Genesis content that needs to be tested, just stuff like "This hole is too steep for my Bridge Officers to get out of" or "This objective spawned under the map", it's that easy.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    The OP obviously did not do any testing.

    FOMM does not stop cloaking, does not put a cool down on cloaking and does not break cloak.

    It does help with stealth detection and it is not very much even with all 3 skills that improve fomm at rank 9.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Not Suprised - this is just another nail in the coffin - lets be honest the Klingon Faction is dead and getting deader by the day - is that even a word ? Oh Well, I've said it once and i'll say it again Star Trek Online is a one faction game, when they add Romulans we may have something till then play your console or other PC games but definately don't play as a Fed its way to easy. Unless, you want to see if you can make admiral in 5 days.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Serpieri wrote: »
    Not Suprised - this is just another nail in the coffin - lets be honest the Klingon Faction is dead and getting deader by the day - is that even a word ? Oh Well, I've said it once and i'll say it again Star Trek Online is a one faction game, when they add Romulans we may have something till then play your console or other PC games but definately don't play as a Fed its way to easy. Unless, you want to see if you can make admiral in 5 days.

    http://www.trekp.com/posters/gw267-overreaction.jpg

    I figured the Star Trek theme could make it more clear...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    http://www.trekp.com/posters/gw267-overreaction.jpg

    I figured the Star Trek theme could make it more clear...

    So instead of disproving what I had to say - you posted a picture - should I assume you are a clueless fanboi?

    Oh Wait, you already proved that :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Serpieri,

    He's a RA Fed, and a Lt Cdr Klingo.. wait Vulcan?

    Ya he knows Klingon PvP gameplay. :rolleyes:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Serpieri wrote: »
    So instead of disproving what I had to say - you posted a picture - should I assume you are a clueless fanboi?

    Oh Wait, you already proved that :)

    Lmao, everyone playing STO is a fanboi, so lets not even go into that.

    If you've been reading the forums, and if you could understand what the picture meant, maybe you could comprehend what I was trying to say.

    But, I aparently over-judged your intellegence level.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Tonenili wrote:
    Serpieri,

    He's a RA Fed, and a Lt Cdr Klingo.. wait Vulcan?

    Ya he knows Klingon PvP gameplay. :rolleyes:

    Its acutually quite funny, but thats another story.

    I don't know Klingon PvP... but I know basic concepts of a MMO to know certian things. People that are whining about "AHH THE KLINGON EMPIRE IS GOING FADE INTO NOTHING!!11!!" are overreacting. Like your friend Serpieri.

    I know enough about PvP in general for my opinion to be prudent on the matter.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Lmao, everyone playing STO is a fanboi, so lets not even go into that.

    If you've been reading the forums, and if you could understand what the picture meant, maybe you could comprehend what I was trying to say.

    But, I aparently over-judged your intellegence level.

    The only thing you over-judged was your self worth.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Serpieri wrote: »
    The only thing you over-judged was your self worth.

    Oh Snap? That one really hurt... I think.

    The point still remains that you have no idea what your talking about. At the very least, give Cryptic time before you start your whining rants k? When a game is out a month and you complaining about the PvP, you make me laugh.

    Im just thankful there is a GAME of STO. Update by Update things will pan out. I know waiting isn't your strong point, but don't get upset, I'll help you start off your flyers for when you start your whining up again. What do you think?


    http://tinyurl.com/yjx7fcl
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Oh Snap? That one really hurt... I think.

    The point still remains that you have no idea what your talking about. At the very least, give Cryptic time before you start your whining rants k? When a game is out a month and you complaining about the PvP, you make me laugh.

    Im just thankful there is a GAME of STO. Update by Update things will pan out. I know waiting isn't your strong point, but don't get upset, I'll help you start off your flyers for when you start your whining up again. What do you think?


    http://tinyurl.com/yjx7fcl

    You seem to be good at making assumptions - and you know what they say about those people. Heck, I'll even give you a hint, its the first three letters of the word assumptions.

    LoL, complaining about PVP...just WoW. Try taking some courses in reading comprehension.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Serpieri wrote: »
    You seem to be good at making assumptions - and you know what they say about those people. Heck, I'll even give you a hint, its the first three letters of the word assumptions.

    LoL, complaining about PVP...just WoW. Try taking some courses in reading comprehension.

    LoL, Apparently I overestimated your reading abilities aswell. Please, read to me the first post in this forum, that we are currently talking in? Well, I don't want to put you on the spot about that whole "reading" thing, so Ill make easier on you..

    "They can now keep us uncloaked......"

    Lets break it down now..

    They = Federation

    Us = Klingons

    Uncloaked = Power used in... PVP

    You really need to talk more, your making yourself look so smart!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    what is the proof of this fire on my mark keeping us from cloaking otherwise its just rumor? I don't see that in the release notes for tribble.

    K'rapok General KDF
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