I don't think Klingons are overpowered, throw me a Carrier, I'll smite it.
Cloak and come behind me BOP, I'll be ready to tractor you and jam your sensors, turn around and smite you too right down the torpedo tube!
Throw me not one, but TWO klingon cruisers, I'll tank them and destroy them as I did earlier today in pvp in the briar patch. Poor cruisers could barely get through the shields of an escort and when they did, I have a hull resistance ABOVE 40%.
I have done over 450,000 damage in a pvp match. Without. Dying.
I have been a part of 15 to 0 wins against pre-teamed klingons.
I wish every fed I came across was more like you. PvP might be more interesting. Sadly Ive never seen a fed hit 100,000 PvPing up to Capt. 5
Oh I cannot wait for the QQ from FvF. I think it will need its own forum section specifically for it
I actualy view FvF as doom for this game, as the "feedback" will be full of emo people, who were killed by "imba" skills, which NEEDs to be NERFED!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously tho, i now understand, why klingons win so easily in most matches. Most Feds have pretty simple builds, with no regards to flexibilty. When 80% escorts shoot on me with nothing else than 3 turrets, because they fly like slug...no wonder they are dying like flies in FvK pvp.
I have an RA5 on the fed side, I'm at captain 5 on the kling side, and I a bored out of my skull by the Klingon. We nearly always win, and seldom is it close. If I drop one game a night I'm surprised and if more than a few are competitive I'm blown away. There are more than a few times when I don't even have to fire my weapons, I simply fly around healing and recharging shields, and it still doesn't make it any closer. PvP is an absolute joke right now, and it's sad as the only other way to level a Klingon is to do the same nebula mission a thousand times over.
Oh I cannot wait for the QQ from FvF. I think it will need its own forum section specifically for it
I think some kind of implosion will happen when the first FvF battle takes place. When two forces of immense density of suckage will collide creating some kind of wormhole of pure fail that will engulf the arena.
I just posted in a topic on the shipyard - bird of prey forums that was calling for their universal slots to be removed. I felt the issue raised a seperate topic that was worth stating boldly here.
Klingons get very little - Dont try to take anything from them unless you have levelled one yourself.
The players who only have fed characters really have a limited appreciation of just how limited and uninteresting the options are for enjoying levelling a Klingon. Before anyone even comes to talk on issues such as klingon ships, you really need to get in one and thoroughly playtest it. Likewise, you really must see what a struggle it is to level on the klingon side at all.
I have a rear admiral 5 and am about to get my first level of Brigadier General. Personally i would recommend that everyone gets a character to top rank on both sides, just to get a proper persepctive on the game. If you cant do that, though, at the very least get a klingon to tier 2, which doesnt take long at all.
The only posts that should appear on these boards are posts suggesting ways to help klingon players level or ways to give them more options, such as ships....if you take anything away from them, they may as well be removed from the game entirely.
Good lord, no. I spent two weeks trying to level a Gorn and it made me want to eat the game CD. I feel for you people, I really do, but just the pain of getting to LTC was too much to deal with.
Any Klingon who has made it to BG is going to wipe the floor with a Fed player and deserves respect, because unlike Feds he doesn't have to simply hammer the spacebar or 112112 to get there.
Before i made my Klingon, i was on my RA 5 and i looked at the pvp queue, i saw this.
Space Salvage Large PvP Map - Players in Queue:
Federation 262 - Klingon 4
I could just queue with my RA 5 and magically hope it got better *or* i could roll and level a Klingon, to boost that lower number and to help the struggling faction. That is what i did and i call on all Fed pvp fans to do the same. You need to work to make pvp in this game happen and that means rolling Klink characters.
Exactly my experiences. This reminds me of WoW circa 2005 when they introduced battlegrounds. The faction imbalances really showed with the majority faction waiting on the minority faction on games. Some players (myself included) rolled minority faction characters to help balance things out a bit, or at the very least have some on-tap PvP. I did the same with STO. I think the majority of Fed players just want to get their 3 games of PvP just for the daily, although I'm sure there are some who want to just PvP but can't due to the long queue times. FvF will be in the next patch to help with that.
I think overall the faction system just doesn't work for a variety of reasons. Population imbalance is the largest problem. Whether it's arena based queue systems or open world PvP, the imbalance causes issues. A better solution would be just simply making a faction a 'flavour' all doing the same things without necessarily pitting each one against another. Canon-wise this would be a better fit as the flow was heading towards everyone becoming allies (even the Romulans were helping defend the alpha quadrant) rather than regressing back to old rivalries.
Currently, leveling a Klingon is very bland. It's no exaggeration to say that it just pure PvP, and from what I understand, it's even slower than it was before with XP nerfs. Your other alternative is to do a repeatable patrol mission. It's similar to the Fed sector patrols except it's the exact same mission. The big patch will help this somewhat with explore missions, so there's at least some variety. But I think story missions will be a ways off for Klingons.
As for crybabies, you'll always get them in any game. I could write a book on it, but suffice to say most of them will one day grow up, realise the world doesn't revolve around them and knuckle down with some L2P. The biggest lesson being learning how to take a defeat with some dignity.
I did. I'm RA5 on the Fed side, and rolled a Klingon to see what it's like. After about 3 days of play I made Lt Cmdr. PvP is fun because the Feds at Lt level are mostly clueless. After a while I did feel sorry for them.
Comparing to the Fed progression, however, there is a dearth of loot drops/equipment upgrades. Feds get lots of cool stuff given to them. Other than that drawback, leveling up seems easier on the KDF side, at least versus Fed PvE, so far.
Not realy... leveling through PvE is much much faster if you are replaying the game. And if you need a break from all the PvP... well then you got two options: Either switch onto your Fed character or exit the game -.-
Since the repeatable PvE Mission is not only boring but also totally inefficient when it comes to xp...
I am a Rear Admiral Fed. I am also a Klingon Commander and I love my BOP, the universal BO slots is what attracted me to it, along with its turn speed and how cool the t5 BOP looks.
If you think the T5 BoP is cool then you definately need to check out the test server and see the new models that we have for each of the T5 ship - the new BoP reminds me of a very angry vulture
Federation players wanting to nerf klingons, you can't really blame them the majority of them are very bad at the game, just look how easy PVE was made for them.
P.S- Im gonna laugh my TRIBBLE off when FvF hits and the feds complain about how OP the SCI vessels are
I agree with the original post completely. While lvling my Fed character I had no idea how hard it was, but after playing the last 3 days to get my Klingon up to only LC 5, I appreciate the difficulty of it much more and have respect for those who have made it to BG5.
Im leveling a klingon as well. First, they don't need any nerfs. Second, they need a tutorial so new players don't have to level up a fed and get hooked. Third, they need some PvE to help take the edge off of continuous PvP grinding. Fourth, The game needs better pvp maps(I am getting so sick of capture and hold and im not even out of t2 yet) and a real neutral zone for open pvp.
Here are some ideas for more exciting pvp matchs
Destroy the Starbase. 10 vs 10. One side defends, other side is attacker. Attacking side can set up long range batteries to pound on the starbase forcing the defenders to deal with these threats and not camp at the base.
Convoy Escort. Protect cargo ships along a long shipping lane. 5 vs 5. The freighters star at one end of the map and take 15mins to reach their destination on the other side. Defense abilities and things like engineering team will work on the freighters so eliminating the escorts is important. if any of the freighters make it, defender wins.
Nebula Madness. Fight just like the finale in Wrath of Kahn. Hard to see and weapons tend to lose lock alot. This is a deathmatch. No respawn. Very Rare U.S.S. Reliant can spawn in the nebula. It hits like a supernova but has low hull/shields. Always drops a very rare loot. Killing blow wins the prize.
I did. I like my Klingon and my Fed, both of them. And I am still convinced that Klingons have immanent advantages in PVP, including - to an extent - the universal BO slots in the Bird of Prey.
I think Klingons are very well designed and totally in line with the canon. Feds on the other hand might need a little buff.
BG (Admiral) KDF PvP ship equipment vendor has been bugged since release and does not offer the same blue items Feds receive. Instead, The KDF is offered duplicated items from the Console vendor 20 steps away.
Solution #1:
Grind the same exploration mission over and over to receive the PVE equivalent item in Qo'Nos (no PvP for hours).
Solution #2:
Pad the pockets of FED players by purchasing items they discard or shun since anything of worth is given to an alt or fleet mate. 650k for Common Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons MK X anyone? Interesting that there are multiple "gimme" type blue items FEDS post on the exchange that only KDF would be interested in. I suppose it's subsidized labor...
To summarize:
KDF don't play at T5 because they have one option for exploration marks (v5), no crafting, gimped weapon selection PvP vendor (really:no dual or heavy phaser cannons for anyone on either side?), and under equipped, outnumbered, and are just plain hammered as pugs when any given queue reports 213 v2.
There will continue to be a downward spiral of KDF players if this trend isn't reversed quickly. I myself have already begun playing my RA5 again because there is just nothing to do besides dailies and getting hammered in the mandatory queues with my BG5. On the bright side, I seem to be able to pick up a lot of gear not needed for my RA5 that is mailed to the BG5. I also suspect repecs will make this worse as lot of KDF will go back to correct the mistakes they made with their FED.
You know Cryptic hates Klingons when the game is released with ZERO Klingon content and you get a pvp mission that makes you KILL YOURSELF to complete it.
I have a Fed RA 5 and a Klingon BG 3 and let me say that it was a chore to level. At BG it takes forever to get into a pvp match that has more than 1 or 2 Klingon vs 30 Feds.
Klingons lack
1. Storylines
2. Ship Customization
3. Enjoyment. After weeks of pvp to hit BG, I don't feel like even playing anymore.
4. Nebulas just suck, period. I'd rather have more pvp missions.
I love parts of the game, but lets be truthful here. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE LAUNCHED. It should still be in beta and Cryptic should have had their S*it together before ever putting it on the market. From my understanding 2 or 3 companies put it into FUBAR mode before Cryptic ever got their hands on it, so that should have been an indicator to Cryptic that they NEED to do it right to keep from failing.
The only thing that will fix this game now has the possibility of killing it. And that is an "NGE" style fix massively changing every aspect of the game. It could save it because it could make this game live up to it's full potential. It could kill it if they TRIBBLE it up or alienate a player base that's grown used to playing a certain way.
Ship BO console slots need major work. At RA and BG I HATE not being able to use all 4 of my BO's skills.
I did. I like my Klingon and my Fed, both of them. And I am still convinced that Klingons have immanent advantages in PVP, including - to an extent - the universal BO slots in the Bird of Prey.
I think Klingons are very well designed and totally in line with the canon. Feds on the other hand might need a little buff.
Feds don't need a buff - the universal bo's allow klingons to actually create something close to a sci ship and in T2 they can creat a BoP for tanking because everybody knows that escorts are easily defeated with cruisers/science ships. Its a shame that most Feds still think its a good idea to full impulse and start firing on 3 Klingon ships and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
PVP does not interest me in the slightest.
I did want to be a Klingon, and then I heard how thin their PvE content was, and how it was almost always PVP, to level. Which puts them leagues behind the federation.
It is my hope that they will get a more balanced approach in the near future.
To level without having to PVP each and every time.
To be able to do rewarding missions and content like their federation counterpart.
Until then, I will wait to make my Klingon.
That's pretty much my reasons for not going Klingon. I started one, but saw the lack of PVE and haven't played it since. There is absolutely no excuse for the lack of PVE with this faction. Anyone that has watched TNG and DS9 can tell you that this faction has tons of story potential in it. It's usually the most popular race with the fans throughout the history of the show so it maks no sense to not write cool and interesting content for them. How about reliving the battle with Khaless and Molar? What about the Rite of ascension? What about ascending to power thru assasination? Never mind, this post will drag on for too long. In short, Cryptic needs to fix this before they even consider bringing in a new faction.
In a game like Warcraft, for example, there are two large, effectively equal factions. In STO, this is radically far from being the case, to the point where one side is already dieing out.
It frustrated me no end that there are people not appreciating that any more damage to the Klingon side and there will be no klingons left and no pvp at all
It seems that anything cool the Klingons have, like carriers, is fair game to be attacked and that really frightens me. This is why i urge players calling for nerfs or even players thinking the Klingons are equal in terms of gameplay, to try one for themselves before they make posts on these forums.
We are battered enough as it is without having to defend ourselves here.
This game is brand new. I think it was a mistake to make an all PvP faction. Or to make them level, you guys should just start at max level, have a choice of ships and a starting set of bridge officers and then go out and learn your class.
In a game like WoW both factions are PvE/PvP so you cant compare it to this game. I dont agree with universal slots, especially when a lot of science abilities are insanely overpowered imo.
But i mean I dont pvp so in the end It doesnt really matter to me.
I did. I like my Klingon and my Fed, both of them. And I am still convinced that Klingons have immanent advantages in PVP, including - to an extent - the universal BO slots in the Bird of Prey.
I think Klingons are very well designed and totally in line with the canon. Feds on the other hand might need a little buff.
Cannons need some work.. 100% and still getting taken out in 5 or 6 sec from only 2 BoP?
I want a Carrier one on one.... I think I have the tools to take it.... Scramble Sensors 3... its over....
This implies that fighters are actually the core dps of a carrier. Scramble sensors is not a game winner and a decent carrier will fight happily on its own, without any launched support if needbe.
The fighters are an extra and often a handy finisher, they need not be the primary attack.
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Sometime in 2011 just before the world ends...;)
So much QQ.....
You finally realise what we have to put up with
I wish every fed I came across was more like you. PvP might be more interesting. Sadly Ive never seen a fed hit 100,000 PvPing up to Capt. 5
Yeah, i got my fair share of FED QQing on me in past couple of days in Kerrat, but i tell you FvF will be huge fun
Oh I cannot wait for the QQ from FvF. I think it will need its own forum section specifically for it
I actualy view FvF as doom for this game, as the "feedback" will be full of emo people, who were killed by "imba" skills, which NEEDs to be NERFED!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously tho, i now understand, why klingons win so easily in most matches. Most Feds have pretty simple builds, with no regards to flexibilty. When 80% escorts shoot on me with nothing else than 3 turrets, because they fly like slug...no wonder they are dying like flies in FvK pvp.
I think some kind of implosion will happen when the first FvF battle takes place. When two forces of immense density of suckage will collide creating some kind of wormhole of pure fail that will engulf the arena.
Lack of content does not excuse imbalance.
Good lord, no. I spent two weeks trying to level a Gorn and it made me want to eat the game CD. I feel for you people, I really do, but just the pain of getting to LTC was too much to deal with.
Any Klingon who has made it to BG is going to wipe the floor with a Fed player and deserves respect, because unlike Feds he doesn't have to simply hammer the spacebar or 112112 to get there.
Exactly my experiences. This reminds me of WoW circa 2005 when they introduced battlegrounds. The faction imbalances really showed with the majority faction waiting on the minority faction on games. Some players (myself included) rolled minority faction characters to help balance things out a bit, or at the very least have some on-tap PvP. I did the same with STO. I think the majority of Fed players just want to get their 3 games of PvP just for the daily, although I'm sure there are some who want to just PvP but can't due to the long queue times. FvF will be in the next patch to help with that.
I think overall the faction system just doesn't work for a variety of reasons. Population imbalance is the largest problem. Whether it's arena based queue systems or open world PvP, the imbalance causes issues. A better solution would be just simply making a faction a 'flavour' all doing the same things without necessarily pitting each one against another. Canon-wise this would be a better fit as the flow was heading towards everyone becoming allies (even the Romulans were helping defend the alpha quadrant) rather than regressing back to old rivalries.
Currently, leveling a Klingon is very bland. It's no exaggeration to say that it just pure PvP, and from what I understand, it's even slower than it was before with XP nerfs. Your other alternative is to do a repeatable patrol mission. It's similar to the Fed sector patrols except it's the exact same mission. The big patch will help this somewhat with explore missions, so there's at least some variety. But I think story missions will be a ways off for Klingons.
As for crybabies, you'll always get them in any game. I could write a book on it, but suffice to say most of them will one day grow up, realise the world doesn't revolve around them and knuckle down with some L2P. The biggest lesson being learning how to take a defeat with some dignity.
I did. I'm RA5 on the Fed side, and rolled a Klingon to see what it's like. After about 3 days of play I made Lt Cmdr. PvP is fun because the Feds at Lt level are mostly clueless. After a while I did feel sorry for them.
Comparing to the Fed progression, however, there is a dearth of loot drops/equipment upgrades. Feds get lots of cool stuff given to them. Other than that drawback, leveling up seems easier on the KDF side, at least versus Fed PvE, so far.
Since the repeatable PvE Mission is not only boring but also totally inefficient when it comes to xp...
If you think the T5 BoP is cool then you definately need to check out the test server and see the new models that we have for each of the T5 ship - the new BoP reminds me of a very angry vulture
Federation players wanting to nerf klingons, you can't really blame them the majority of them are very bad at the game, just look how easy PVE was made for them.
P.S- Im gonna laugh my TRIBBLE off when FvF hits and the feds complain about how OP the SCI vessels are
I also think people will complain about sci vessels being OP in FvF as a sci/sci it could be entertaining.
Here are some ideas for more exciting pvp matchs
Destroy the Starbase. 10 vs 10. One side defends, other side is attacker. Attacking side can set up long range batteries to pound on the starbase forcing the defenders to deal with these threats and not camp at the base.
Convoy Escort. Protect cargo ships along a long shipping lane. 5 vs 5. The freighters star at one end of the map and take 15mins to reach their destination on the other side. Defense abilities and things like engineering team will work on the freighters so eliminating the escorts is important. if any of the freighters make it, defender wins.
Nebula Madness. Fight just like the finale in Wrath of Kahn. Hard to see and weapons tend to lose lock alot. This is a deathmatch. No respawn. Very Rare U.S.S. Reliant can spawn in the nebula. It hits like a supernova but has low hull/shields. Always drops a very rare loot. Killing blow wins the prize.
I think Klingons are very well designed and totally in line with the canon. Feds on the other hand might need a little buff.
Solution #1:
Grind the same exploration mission over and over to receive the PVE equivalent item in Qo'Nos (no PvP for hours).
Solution #2:
Pad the pockets of FED players by purchasing items they discard or shun since anything of worth is given to an alt or fleet mate. 650k for Common Phaser Dual Heavy Cannons MK X anyone? Interesting that there are multiple "gimme" type blue items FEDS post on the exchange that only KDF would be interested in. I suppose it's subsidized labor...
To summarize:
KDF don't play at T5 because they have one option for exploration marks (v5), no crafting, gimped weapon selection PvP vendor (really:no dual or heavy phaser cannons for anyone on either side?), and under equipped, outnumbered, and are just plain hammered as pugs when any given queue reports 213 v2.
There will continue to be a downward spiral of KDF players if this trend isn't reversed quickly. I myself have already begun playing my RA5 again because there is just nothing to do besides dailies and getting hammered in the mandatory queues with my BG5. On the bright side, I seem to be able to pick up a lot of gear not needed for my RA5 that is mailed to the BG5. I also suspect repecs will make this worse as lot of KDF will go back to correct the mistakes they made with their FED.
I hope I'm wrong...
I have a Fed RA 5 and a Klingon BG 3 and let me say that it was a chore to level. At BG it takes forever to get into a pvp match that has more than 1 or 2 Klingon vs 30 Feds.
Klingons lack
1. Storylines
2. Ship Customization
3. Enjoyment. After weeks of pvp to hit BG, I don't feel like even playing anymore.
4. Nebulas just suck, period. I'd rather have more pvp missions.
I love parts of the game, but lets be truthful here. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE LAUNCHED. It should still be in beta and Cryptic should have had their S*it together before ever putting it on the market. From my understanding 2 or 3 companies put it into FUBAR mode before Cryptic ever got their hands on it, so that should have been an indicator to Cryptic that they NEED to do it right to keep from failing.
The only thing that will fix this game now has the possibility of killing it. And that is an "NGE" style fix massively changing every aspect of the game. It could save it because it could make this game live up to it's full potential. It could kill it if they TRIBBLE it up or alienate a player base that's grown used to playing a certain way.
Ship BO console slots need major work. At RA and BG I HATE not being able to use all 4 of my BO's skills.
Feds don't need a buff - the universal bo's allow klingons to actually create something close to a sci ship and in T2 they can creat a BoP for tanking because everybody knows that escorts are easily defeated with cruisers/science ships. Its a shame that most Feds still think its a good idea to full impulse and start firing on 3 Klingon ships and this is just the tip of the iceberg.
That's pretty much my reasons for not going Klingon. I started one, but saw the lack of PVE and haven't played it since. There is absolutely no excuse for the lack of PVE with this faction. Anyone that has watched TNG and DS9 can tell you that this faction has tons of story potential in it. It's usually the most popular race with the fans throughout the history of the show so it maks no sense to not write cool and interesting content for them. How about reliving the battle with Khaless and Molar? What about the Rite of ascension? What about ascending to power thru assasination? Never mind, this post will drag on for too long. In short, Cryptic needs to fix this before they even consider bringing in a new faction.
This game is brand new. I think it was a mistake to make an all PvP faction. Or to make them level, you guys should just start at max level, have a choice of ships and a starting set of bridge officers and then go out and learn your class.
In a game like WoW both factions are PvE/PvP so you cant compare it to this game. I dont agree with universal slots, especially when a lot of science abilities are insanely overpowered imo.
But i mean I dont pvp so in the end It doesnt really matter to me.
I want a Carrier one on one.... I think I have the tools to take it.... Scramble Sensors 3... its over....
Cannons need some work.. 100% and still getting taken out in 5 or 6 sec from only 2 BoP?
This implies that fighters are actually the core dps of a carrier. Scramble sensors is not a game winner and a decent carrier will fight happily on its own, without any launched support if needbe.
The fighters are an extra and often a handy finisher, they need not be the primary attack.