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I just posted in a topic on the shipyard - bird of prey forums that was calling for their universal slots to be removed. I felt the issue raised a seperate topic that was worth stating boldly here.
Klingons get very little - Dont try to take anything from them unless you have levelled one yourself.
The players who only have fed characters really have a limited appreciation of just how limited and uninteresting the options are for enjoying levelling a Klingon. Before anyone even comes to talk on issues such as klingon ships, you really need to get in one and thoroughly playtest it. Likewise, you really must see what a struggle it is to level on the klingon side at all.
I have a rear admiral 5 and am about to get my first level of Brigadier General. Personally i would recommend that everyone gets a character to top rank on both sides, just to get a proper persepctive on the game. If you cant do that, though, at the very least get a klingon to tier 2, which doesnt take long at all.
The only posts that should appear on these boards are posts suggesting ways to help klingon players level or ways to give them more options, such as ships....if you take anything away from them, they may as well be removed from the game entirely.
Klingons get very little - Dont try to take anything from them unless you have levelled one yourself.
The players who only have fed characters really have a limited appreciation of just how limited and uninteresting the options are for enjoying levelling a Klingon. Before anyone even comes to talk on issues such as klingon ships, you really need to get in one and thoroughly playtest it. Likewise, you really must see what a struggle it is to level on the klingon side at all.
I have a rear admiral 5 and am about to get my first level of Brigadier General. Personally i would recommend that everyone gets a character to top rank on both sides, just to get a proper persepctive on the game. If you cant do that, though, at the very least get a klingon to tier 2, which doesnt take long at all.
The only posts that should appear on these boards are posts suggesting ways to help klingon players level or ways to give them more options, such as ships....if you take anything away from them, they may as well be removed from the game entirely.
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Absolutely. Very well said.
As far as people wanting stuff nerfed, taken away....... I say no.
As far as the universal slots, maybe give those to the federation side as well? Just a suggstion, might make for some interresting PVP.
It says: "Klingon and Federation players who have reached Rear Admiral 5 now have access . . ."
Klingons reach Rear Admiral? What happened to Brigadier General?
I know, it's just Cryptic showing once again that Klingons are beneath their contempt. The total lack of respect is getting on my nerves.
I came from Warcraft and i have come to really hate nerf calls. I have several classes there and all have, at one time or other, been overnerfed, clumsily changed by devs or otherwise damaged in the name of balance. I have often tried telling players to think that one day, the nerf bat will come for them, but still they encourage devs to nerf others.
I have seen a worrying trend coming here, it comes in these forms.
1. Something is effective, or powerful, this calls for nerf responses.
2. Something is different or new, this calls for nerf responses.
3. Something requires a ship to use counters or to reduce dps by using a choice of attacks (eg, AOE)....nerf calls etc.
I can, however, understand these responses. However, the one that really concerns me is this one.
4. A Klingon did it, so it has to be taken away or stopped.
In a game like Warcraft, for example, there are two large, effectively equal factions. In STO, this is radically far from being the case, to the point where one side is already dieing out.
It frustrated me no end that there are people not appreciating that any more damage to the Klingon side and there will be no klingons left and no pvp at all
It seems that anything cool the Klingons have, like carriers, is fair game to be attacked and that really frightens me. This is why i urge players calling for nerfs or even players thinking the Klingons are equal in terms of gameplay, to try one for themselves before they make posts on these forums.
We are battered enough as it is without having to defend ourselves here.
Your wow buddies are all trying to ruin what is good and right with this game..
No.
You should try it, then maybe you'll become better at pvp. As to get to BG5 you will probably have about 40 hours pvp experience under your belt.
Ah, this post assumes that I need to get better at pvp... which I don't. I hate exploration, and when I don't have story advancing quests, I play pvp. Albeit, not as much pvp as klinks have to, but more than your average Fed as evidenced by me being at the top of the Fed stack for damage/healing after almost every game.
My flat response was addressing the OP's thread title. And that was... No. Meaning I don't have to level a klink to gain some sort of appreciation for how hard you have it, and I'm not calling for a klink nerf. I just said... no.
Fine by me, song long as you dont feel the need to start suggestion changes to klingon gameplay. I just feel that its not possible to understand what a klingon player goes through until you actually become one.
I also feel that PvP supporters should do their bit to promote pvp by making Klingons and helping the faction develop. As it is too many fed players expect klingons to provide them with pvp *and* to endure a remarkably frustrating levelling up process to do it.
Before i made my Klingon, i was on my RA 5 and i looked at the pvp queue, i saw this.
Space Salvage Large PvP Map - Players in Queue:
Federation 262 - Klingon 4
I could just queue with my RA 5 and magically hope it got better *or* i could roll and level a Klingon, to boost that lower number and to help the struggling faction. That is what i did and i call on all Fed pvp fans to do the same. You need to work to make pvp in this game happen and that means rolling Klink characters.
First thing, flesh them out. They need to have just as much PvE content as Feds.
Crippling to Klingons.
PvP mostly only is what they have. Are thier actuall exploration missions? Yes if your level 53.. did Iget that right?
Equiping ships.
Hey buddy, got a spare E-Cred?
See all that fancy equipment and weps on the AH... where ya think they come from? FED Players... oh.. didn't notice that? Oh yes.. fed get some very cool gear early on as PvE rewards. (I forget what it was called but its this Mk V ship shield with about close to 8k strength. I didn't even take it off my fed players ship till i got the toon to using Mk VIII level gear.. Bunch of other stuff like that.)
So let the jury be in.
People who are playing Klingon are doing it because they WANT to play klingon. Not because its fun, or even particularly easy.
Thats why the members of KBF play klingon. We've been Klingon players since 1999 when the game Star Fleet Command came out. 8 Years. We're used to a bit more challenging tactical game play that wasn't dependent apon some "magic gear" We know what WE want. So ok, we got trek in MMO land now. The tactical game play is ok... but if we gotta do this just to be feddy target practice?
It would be one thing if the sides were equal but different in capability but they are not. It is a major advantage to the fed player being able to mine PvE gear, and pick up gear for exploration badges, and get gear from PvP badges... AND craft gear.
(though I haven't explored that all that much and not sure if its worth the bother except when I have nothing better to do Please NOTE that Klingons don't have a Memory Alpha)
Of course there is PvP badges for the Klingon. And you get 'em for just showing up... You get more if you win. If you can win. Big IF.
Of course there not alot of Klingons.. see above for reason. I do know this. No matter what they give to the Fed Players, other player races are needed for this game to take off. I consider the game to have been realeased far to early. Bugs, if they are fixed in a timely manner players can live with.
Play balance is not the question. Without a balance between player opportunities you'll never have it. Right now STO does not have this. More content.. No. Balanced level of content yes.
TO THE DEVS: Finish the Klingons FIRST! Then give us more content.
Good post.
I think it is funny that the Feds have zeroed in on the BOP as the ship of doom.
I was actually thinking about trying the Raptor as I rarely ever cloak. News at 11.
I LOVE pvp, everything I currently have equipment-wise (except my tribble) is from pvp marks. I have never done a defend the sector block quest and I do believe I've done less than three "patrol" quests. I simply pvp, been pvping since t2.
I don't think Klingons are overpowered, throw me a Carrier, I'll smite it.
Cloak and come behind me BOP, I'll be ready to tractor you and jam your sensors, turn around and smite you too right down the torpedo tube!
Throw me not one, but TWO klingon cruisers, I'll tank them and destroy them as I did earlier today in pvp in the briar patch. Poor cruisers could barely get through the shields of an escort and when they did, I have a hull resistance ABOVE 40%.
I have done over 450,000 damage in a pvp match. Without. Dying.
I have been a part of 15 to 0 wins against pre-teamed klingons.
I may not be a Klingon, but in my heart and in my experiences, I might as well be a Klingon. I'm a pvp veteran on the Fed side! Love ground pvp too.
;tl;dr;
I love my ship
Carrier are not op
Cloak is a viable strategy and not op
gloaty gloat gloat about how klings are not op
Identity crisis!?!?!?!
???????
brb gonna go make the perfect kling
Tongue in cheek Mr. Moderator.
I'll challenge you to a one versus one. I do not want to float my boat, but i know i will annihilate you.
I would love a duel feature also (a private instance).
I did want to be a Klingon, and then I heard how thin their PvE content was, and how it was almost always PVP, to level. Which puts them leagues behind the federation.
It is my hope that they will get a more balanced approach in the near future.
To level without having to PVP each and every time.
To be able to do rewarding missions and content like their federation counterpart.
Until then, I will wait to make my Klingon.
See the loveli lakes
The wonderful telephone system
And mani interesting furry animals
Including the majestik Bird of Prei
A Bird of Prei once bit my sister...
No realli! She was Karving her initials on the Bird of Prei with the sharpened end of her interspace toothbrush given to here by S'venge - her brother-in-law -an Orion dentist and star of many Klingon operas "The Hot Hands of an Orion Dentist", "Filings of Passion", "The Huge Molars of Kahless"...
Mynd you, Bird of Prei bites Kan be pretti nasti...
Priceless...utterly priceless....someone give that OUTSTANDING individual a bottle of the houses best!
There IS a lot to be said about understanding all of ones abilities both used and potential. I dont believe Feds use or totally understand (I am reffering to the average not the whole) their abilities and how to custom design them to use against the klinks. Thats why we get so many BO's. You can only assign so many at once, perhaps to have others on hand to use JUST to fight and counter the most common klink tactics? Hmm? Maybe??
I have a Commander in the Klingon Empire. Waiting for more content to go any further. These little patches I am seeing are less than encouraging. CRYPTIC..I warn you...get this right. If there is not SERIOUS and EXPANSIVE Klingon PVE content, the Klingons will die as a viable faction, and I honestly think so will the game sometime afterwards. Quit working on meaningless "little" things that really can be fixed later and push out some serious Klingon PVE content.
I mean I have both Klink and Fed. I play my fed for PVE though I do have an alt for pvp though hes still low tier.
Advice for Feds. Study what the Klinks do, look and watch their abilities. Abilities DO exist on the Fed side to counter most of them or at the very least reduce their effectiveness. HINT: these are NOT the same abilities we run around using 90% of the time in PVE.
Escorts: Gotta love them, but dont use them like Rhino's chargind down the throats of the prey. The prey have large sharp teeth and fangs. Use them like the BOPS. Use your maneuverability, speed AND abilities.
I was trying out my Escort the other day in pvp (I normally am a cruiser man in pve, and was using the same tactics I used in a BOP (minus the cloaking) and was doing just fine. Play as a team, Extend shields is a wonderfull thing, especially when used back to back from team mates. Klinks generally wont go for the cruisers when there are Escorts and Science ships about. Well they dont tend to most of the time. Cruisers can be extending left and right. Now I don't know what the other guy uses but honestly I love being an engineer, and thats what pilots my escort. My team mate (it was a PUG) was joyfully surprised when I used extend shields on him lol. We get all kinds of offensive abilities as an engineer. They arent just for breakfast anymore.
There is a lot of merit to the argument that a kling spends 90% of his time in pvp - all he has - and thus is far more experienced in pvp. So would any fed who spent all his time thus. The kling doesnt use any abilities that arent pvp related. The kling HAS to study all the abilities of the feds and thoroughly understand them and then study his own to use against them. I don't really think the feds do this as it isnt needed as the AVERAGE fed spends most of their time in pve.
Bottom line: Klingons do NOT need to be nerfed and yes any further nerf to them without the expansive pve content the feds currently enjoy simply will spell doom to their already dwindling population.
CRYPTIC:
1)Please do not heed those who want to be competitive and on equal footing simply by mashing their space bars.
2) Give the Klingons the PVE content they need..as expansive, rich and detailed as the feds. Do this and people will flock to the trefoil banner, and then we WILL have a faction vs faction game.
3) DO NOT make this same no pve content mistake with any new factions.
4) See Number 1 and repeat
Just my 2 EC's
Yeahhh
sorry 'bout that, mighta got carried away. /embarrassed
Went on one of those late night rants again, gotta do something about that!
I apologize, I didn't mean to really "gloat" and put it in the tldr to be humorous. It just makes me angry when I'm near K7 and about all you hear is "lol carriers are overpowered" "rofl, feds never win" "lulz klingaozn nedz nerfz" "haz an 1 beaten kling in pvp?" "wai bop blow me up?!?!?!"
@Dekkameron: I do believe we may have fought before if the Ship and Player names in your signature are correct
@FrostyJones: ..rofl
Looks like some one starved perfectly good BoP...its like the Halloween themed, skeleton skin...hmmm, I wonder if you could do a white on black bone scheme on that hull?
I have a Klingon (Captain 3) who leveled through space PvP using a Bird-of-Prey almost exclusively.
Universal slots are overpowered.
Not everyone doing PvP in this game is a hardcore partisan for one faction or the other. I play both, I enjoy both, I point out issues with both where I see them.
You..must..learn...why and how things...work..
James T Kirk...
One of the guys all you feddie bears yearn to be...yet most of you will end up being Inept-onetimeshow-plot-device-captain329487234....
Klingons got the smelly end of the stick in STO. There should have been a full PvE experiene for Klingons at release.
There should be no changes made to the game just to 'balance' PvP if it in any way effects PvE. Balancing a games PvP at the expense of the PvE has never worked out for the good.