dont buy from them, dont ever pay over the odds on the exchange, report every spam you get either by PM (right click, report spam) or in your inbox (in game has a report spam function, the forum side desperately needs it) and let the devs and GM's take it from there.
not much more we can do as players, just keep ourselves and our own prices on the exchange honest and let the company do what they can to get rid of as many of them as they can
Actually, there is one more thing players can do, which even the more serious anti-RMT people hesitate at:
Report the people you know who buy from them.
It's amazing the number of people who somehow manage to rationalize the behavior when it's someone they know, or someone in their fleet.
is there no way to legally shut down there sites? I'm sure cryptic has the funds to take these prikolas to court and crush them with one blow.
Or even a few mmo companies banning together should be able to take these guys down.
No. Fraid there isn't for every one they would take down, 10 more would spring up. Only the players can fight this menace, and by doing it exactly as Shingi stated.
There are various things Cryptic can do to help, and I've been told that they are working on it. So it's just a matter of time and patience.
No. Fraid there isn't for every one they would take down, 10 more would spring up. Only the players can fight this menace, and by doing it exactly as Shingi stated.
There are various things Cryptic can do to help, and I've been told that they are working on it. So it's just a matter of time and patience.
Credit farmers are quite lucrative, even when you don't buy from them.
I had a city in SWG, the credit farmers used to hang around my mission terminals collecting missions and gaining cash.
I asked them to leave, and we ended up brokering a deal. They paid me 2 Million credits to let them stay for 24 hours in the city and not report them until then. Alls fair in business. They got their time and I got my money.
Credit farmers are quite lucrative, even when you don't buy from them.
I had a city in SWG, the credit farmers used to hang around my mission terminals collecting missions and gaining cash.
I asked them to leave, and we ended up brokering a deal. They paid me 2 Million credits to let them stay for 24 hours in the city and not report them until then. Alls fair in business. They got their time and I got my money.
Exhibit A of why we have to deal with gold farmers.
the prices these guys are offering for energy is ridiculous anyway. 100k energy for 10 bucks? i've got 1 million energy after a few days of normal playing. lmao.
Credit farmers are quite lucrative, even when you don't buy from them.
I had a city in SWG, the credit farmers used to hang around my mission terminals collecting missions and gaining cash.
I asked them to leave, and we ended up brokering a deal. They paid me 2 Million credits to let them stay for 24 hours in the city and not report them until then. Alls fair in business. They got their time and I got my money.
/sigh
More proof that Gold Sellers are the MOB of the gaming industry.
Actually, since neither you nor the company selling credits is paying tax, I rather suspect that laws *are* being broken...
Actually in China they make so much money from selling game money to the west, the Chinese government introduced special tax rate for these company's, I think it's 5% more tax they have to pay.
Credit farmers are quite lucrative, even when you don't buy from them.
I had a city in SWG, the credit farmers used to hang around my mission terminals collecting missions and gaining cash.
I asked them to leave, and we ended up brokering a deal. They paid me 2 Million credits to let them stay for 24 hours in the city and not report them until then. Alls fair in business. They got their time and I got my money.
A Thought occurs. Why not make transfer of funds between players impossible? So you can only switch cash between players by the exchange?
Then if you remove the ability of the buyer to tell whom the seller is, it becomes harder to switch cash about. And it also means that any Large items show up (seeing a MKI Phaser bank being sold for a couple of mil repeatedly to one person will give the game away.
I had a city in SWG, the credit farmers used to hang around my mission terminals collecting missions and gaining cash.
I asked them to leave, and we ended up brokering a deal. They paid me 2 Million credits to let them stay for 24 hours in the city and not report them until then. Alls fair in business. They got their time and I got my money.
Not us. When we saw the White Wookies on Dant, we'd aggro as many beasties as we coudl and drag em right through their groups. They usu only had one or two actual players, the rest were afk lvl 1's on autofollow. Got called a few things that I'm sure would have offended me if I'd understood them LOL
BTW RMT's ruin games if they gain control of the economy. They first start with the auction house and then once they gain control of that it is all over for the game. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN!!!!!!
BTW RMT's ruin games if they gain control of the economy. They first start with the auction house and then once they gain control of that it is all over for the game. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN!!!!!!
Though I agree with you, it should be noted that would be very difficult for them to do in STO. There are so many different means of gaining equipment in this game that the exchange can easily be avoided if you choose too. I only visit the exchange to sell random loot drops as an example. I get all my equipment from exploration badges.
Though I agree with you, it should be noted that would be very difficult for them to do in STO. There are so many different means of gaining equipment in this game that the exchange can easily be avoided if you choose too. I only visit the exchange to sell random loot drops as an example. I get all my equipment from exploration badges.
exploration is the best way to go,
credits, XP, badges,and loot drops...what more could you ask for
Actually what a lot of people are saying is pretty outdated.
It is currently in legal limbo on who actually owns your characters, items and other digital assets in a MMO. Right now, the company who made and run the game owns everything you have in the game. All you're paying for is the right to use the account and said assets within it. This is being challenged in courts however since using the account is seen as "labor" and labor should earn said assets. Keep in mind though, in the EULA somewhere it states the company owns what you do.
With that being said, selling or buying in game assets with real life money is illegal by contract therefore by law.
A lot of these "farmers" actually don't farm anymore. They have you go to their site and make you enter your account name and password (or download a keylogger etc). They take over your account (hack if you will) and steal all your assets. Then they turn around make a fake character on your account and use it to sell. Pure profit with no loss since the player is the one that losses everything. Then they repeat the cycle.
No matter what anyone thinks, gold selling is terrible for any MMO. The only MMO that fully managed to fight it is EvE online. This is due to the fact you can legally sell game time cards for in game currency. This is actually a secure transaction that's done through their server.
the prices these guys are offering for energy is ridiculous anyway. 100k energy for 10 bucks? i've got 1 million energy after a few days of normal playing. lmao.
Damn,If you have that many,maybe you should sell some for real money.:D
Actually what a lot of people are saying is pretty outdated.
It is currently in legal limbo on who actually owns your characters, items and other digital assets in a MMO. Right now, the company who made and run the game owns everything you have in the game. All you're paying for is the right to use the account and said assets within it. This is being challenged in courts however since using the account is seen as "labor" and labor should earn said assets. Keep in mind though, in the EULA somewhere it states the company owns what you do.
With that being said, selling or buying in game assets with real life money is illegal by contract therefore by law.
A lot of these "farmers" actually don't farm anymore. They have you go to their site and make you enter your account name and password (or download a keylogger etc). They take over your account (hack if you will) and steal all your assets. Then they turn around make a fake character on your account and use it to sell. Pure profit with no loss since the player is the one that losses everything. Then they repeat the cycle.
No matter what anyone thinks, gold selling is terrible for any MMO. The only MMO that fully managed to fight it is EvE online. This is due to the fact you can legally sell game time cards for in game currency. This is actually a secure transaction that's done through their server.
also second life found a way to stop the gold sellers and they opened their own RMT company to allow users to trade in their cash for real money.
Gold sellers existing brings up another point, if they are selling so much, where are they getting it.
And how do they get it so fast, those are exploits that could be closed, and easily show who is doing it, if that was the goal.
So either they are not selling that much, or it is very visible and could be stopped easily.
If they are not selling that much, then there proportion of chat space, (if spamming does happen, it doesn't not happen after a few right click ignores on my client, I see very little spam when playing. Although that could be because of multiple zones.)
If only a few buy gold, the few are being catered to, if many are buying gold, then it is being allowed without admitting it, or it is stoppable since there would have to be many farmers that are very visible, and trades are also visible.
So although I see almost no spam after right clicking, if other people are seeing it, it seems to be a motivational issue, not a technical issue. Or zone segmentation.
And if it wrecks economy, then it would be not in the long term prospects of the game to do so.
Gold sellers existing brings up another point, if they are selling so much, where are they getting it.
And how do they get it so fast, those are exploits that could be closed, and easily show who is doing it, if that was the goal.
So either they are not selling that much, or it is very visible and could be stopped easily.
If they are not selling that much, then there proportion of chat space, (if spamming does happen, it doesn't not happen after a few right click ignores on my client, I see very little spam when playing. Although that could be because of multiple zones.)
If only a few buy gold, the few are being catered to, if many are buying gold, then it is being allowed without admitting it, or it is stoppable since there would have to be many farmers that are very visible, and trades are also visible.
So although I see almost no spam after right clicking, if other people are seeing it, it seems to be a motivational issue, not a technical issue. Or zone segmentation.
And if it wrecks economy, then it would be not in the long term prospects of the game to do so.
Exploits or TRIBBLE accounts typically. Some might be farming things like fleet action 24/7 for loot to sell too.
Its Illegal, like all have said. And to say from what a Dev posted up, if caught buying or selling ingame currency will result in your account banned perminatly.
I think Cryptic should do similar methods that blizzard and soe have done. Yes I even mentioned SOE. I was a Game warden...actually still am a Game Warden in Galaxies. Its a pretty good system. Basically if you havent heard about it, its basically a set group of players are appointed by SOE to be wardens. Our job ingame is to mute those who spam ingame about buying of ingame currency. It worked great, we had them running from city to city and eventually they had to try a different approach.
In the end itll never stop because they want to make money and people will still pay for their services. Its unfortuneate but thats how it works (sigh).
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Or even a few mmo companies banning together should be able to take these guys down.
It's international law, dude. China isn't going to respect the EULA of an American company.
Actually, there is one more thing players can do, which even the more serious anti-RMT people hesitate at:
Report the people you know who buy from them.
It's amazing the number of people who somehow manage to rationalize the behavior when it's someone they know, or someone in their fleet.
You'd be a giant fool to buy credits from farmers.
Its what $15 for 100k haha.
whatever. Even if it was $15 for a 1mil it would be too much.
Tehehehe, most of the world would not respect the EULA of any games company.
Who will make my Nike's and sew the Popped collars onto my shirts i get from the banana republic???
No. Fraid there isn't for every one they would take down, 10 more would spring up. Only the players can fight this menace, and by doing it exactly as Shingi stated.
There are various things Cryptic can do to help, and I've been told that they are working on it. So it's just a matter of time and patience.
Credit farmers are quite lucrative, even when you don't buy from them.
I had a city in SWG, the credit farmers used to hang around my mission terminals collecting missions and gaining cash.
I asked them to leave, and we ended up brokering a deal. They paid me 2 Million credits to let them stay for 24 hours in the city and not report them until then. Alls fair in business. They got their time and I got my money.
Come on man, you can't really be pro child labor? I understand that we all support the industry unknowingly but it's out right wrong.
I know people that go really out of there way to only buy products that are produces through fair labor but it usually costs 3 times the price.
Exhibit A of why we have to deal with gold farmers.
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WTF am I doing wrong then? LOL
/sigh
More proof that Gold Sellers are the MOB of the gaming industry.
Actually in China they make so much money from selling game money to the west, the Chinese government introduced special tax rate for these company's, I think it's 5% more tax they have to pay.
I wish i could put a bounty on your head in STO
Then if you remove the ability of the buyer to tell whom the seller is, it becomes harder to switch cash about. And it also means that any Large items show up (seeing a MKI Phaser bank being sold for a couple of mil repeatedly to one person will give the game away.
Not us. When we saw the White Wookies on Dant, we'd aggro as many beasties as we coudl and drag em right through their groups. They usu only had one or two actual players, the rest were afk lvl 1's on autofollow. Got called a few things that I'm sure would have offended me if I'd understood them LOL
Though I agree with you, it should be noted that would be very difficult for them to do in STO. There are so many different means of gaining equipment in this game that the exchange can easily be avoided if you choose too. I only visit the exchange to sell random loot drops as an example. I get all my equipment from exploration badges.
actually, I am quite happy not knowing or caring who makes my stuff, I have my own problems to worry about
exploration is the best way to go,
credits, XP, badges,and loot drops...what more could you ask for
It is currently in legal limbo on who actually owns your characters, items and other digital assets in a MMO. Right now, the company who made and run the game owns everything you have in the game. All you're paying for is the right to use the account and said assets within it. This is being challenged in courts however since using the account is seen as "labor" and labor should earn said assets. Keep in mind though, in the EULA somewhere it states the company owns what you do.
With that being said, selling or buying in game assets with real life money is illegal by contract therefore by law.
A lot of these "farmers" actually don't farm anymore. They have you go to their site and make you enter your account name and password (or download a keylogger etc). They take over your account (hack if you will) and steal all your assets. Then they turn around make a fake character on your account and use it to sell. Pure profit with no loss since the player is the one that losses everything. Then they repeat the cycle.
No matter what anyone thinks, gold selling is terrible for any MMO. The only MMO that fully managed to fight it is EvE online. This is due to the fact you can legally sell game time cards for in game currency. This is actually a secure transaction that's done through their server.
also second life found a way to stop the gold sellers and they opened their own RMT company to allow users to trade in their cash for real money.
That would totally ruin this game. It would have the same effect as selling rare gear in the C-Store.
Second Life is something completely different from your standard MMORPG, or game for that matter.
And how do they get it so fast, those are exploits that could be closed, and easily show who is doing it, if that was the goal.
So either they are not selling that much, or it is very visible and could be stopped easily.
If they are not selling that much, then there proportion of chat space, (if spamming does happen, it doesn't not happen after a few right click ignores on my client, I see very little spam when playing. Although that could be because of multiple zones.)
If only a few buy gold, the few are being catered to, if many are buying gold, then it is being allowed without admitting it, or it is stoppable since there would have to be many farmers that are very visible, and trades are also visible.
So although I see almost no spam after right clicking, if other people are seeing it, it seems to be a motivational issue, not a technical issue. Or zone segmentation.
And if it wrecks economy, then it would be not in the long term prospects of the game to do so.
Exploits or TRIBBLE accounts typically. Some might be farming things like fleet action 24/7 for loot to sell too.
atleast now i know why i have seen player contolled tier 5 battleships the first week of game play.
I think Cryptic should do similar methods that blizzard and soe have done. Yes I even mentioned SOE. I was a Game warden...actually still am a Game Warden in Galaxies. Its a pretty good system. Basically if you havent heard about it, its basically a set group of players are appointed by SOE to be wardens. Our job ingame is to mute those who spam ingame about buying of ingame currency. It worked great, we had them running from city to city and eventually they had to try a different approach.
In the end itll never stop because they want to make money and people will still pay for their services. Its unfortuneate but thats how it works (sigh).