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Rumors of Discovery being decanonized

captainrc1captainrc1 Member Posts: 114 Arc User
edited December 2024 in Ten Forward
... or at least relegated to an alternate timeline. This has been going around YouTube lately. What do you think?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GLv9d1cZJPE
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,573 Arc User
    edited December 2024
    captainrc1 wrote: »
    ... or at least relegated to an alternate timeline. This has been going around YouTube lately. What do you think?

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=GLv9d1cZJPE

    It's not. LD absolutely did not decanonise DSC. It's just wishful thinking from DSC haters and they should hang their heads in shame for gatekeeping, gaslighting or whatever term is used these days.

    Anyone that actually watched the final episode will not have heard anything about the timeline being permanently changed/erased or anything or anything of the like. The ONLY thing it showed was multiple possible realities similar to TNG 'Parallels' i.e. it altered those in the immediate vicinity of the anomaly according the dimension that was being imposed. Just because a DSC Klingon appeared and disappeared, it did not cancel DSC as part of the prime timeline. All that showed was a reality where DSC type Klingons were a probable majority of Klingon genealogy, and there were other Klingon variants in that same scene.

    Until CBS actually comes out and says 'DSC is no longer canon' etc, then it remains as is, otherwise, what is the point of the upcoming ST Academy series, set in the same DSC 31st Century with the same DSC characters that went there??? This in itself blows the claim out of the water, out of orbit and into whatever Blackhole that is nearest.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,234 Community Moderator
    Not game-related. Thread /moved

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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,264 Arc User
    That would be a Christmas miracle.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,993 Arc User
    There is no word or other evidence that Paramount is intending decanonization of DSC, instead they seem to be slowly moving toward reconciling it with traditional Trek via SNW and PIC. Already they sent several waves of changes down the timeline in episodes like Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow and the total weirdness that cropped up with the second and third seasons of PIC.

    A good example of it is that, without any refits at all, the Enterprise's bridge (and other internal areas) went from the configuration it had in DSC to the more TOS-like one it has in SNW and none of the characters noticed any difference. There is also the rather large disconnect between s2 and s3 of PIC and a few other (though much lesser) continuity gaffs where the various 'Prime' NuTrek series contradict themselves on various points.

    All in all, they have well established that canon is rather fluid in what CBS calls the "Prime Timeline", which is more than just a bit annoying to a lot of people (myself included) but is something of a staple of time travel stories, so there really isn't a reason to decanonize DSC when it is easily explained as an anomaly in the mid to late 2250s and the characters could remember it somewhat different from the way it appeared in the DSC show.

    I was extremely annoyed by DSC at first because I thought of Trek as regular space sci-fi series with a little bit of time travel thrown in which made all the continuity problems between it and traditional Trek ruin the flow of the overall story, but looking at it from the point of view of it being much closer to a time travel story makes it more palatable (though still not ideal).
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,913 Community Moderator
    There is also the fact that Strange New Worlds, which they wanted to say is still Canon, DIRECTLY REFERENCES Discovery.
    A good example of it is that, without any refits at all, the Enterprise's bridge (and other internal areas) went from the configuration it had in DSC to the more TOS-like one it has in SNW and none of the characters noticed any difference.

    I mostly attribute that to the repairs that were done after Discovery s2 finale. Enterprise took a helluva beating, and even lost a good chunk of her saucer. I wouldn't be surprised if Starfleet decided to do a minor refit while doing repairs.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    I feel strangely compelled to post this.

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,016 Arc User
    Nothing Midnight's Edge has ever posted in regards to Star Trek has ever been anything but mumbo-jumbo.​​
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,424 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Nothing Midnight's Edge has ever posted in regards to Star Trek has ever been anything but mumbo-jumbo.​​

    Midnight's Edge posts so much BS lies that if he said in a video that today is the 27th of December 2024 I'd ask for a second opinion (oh and just for future reference it was 27th of December 2024 when I posted this).

    People really need to check their sources much better instead of just jumping for the first one that matches their biases.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,509 Arc User
    starswordc wrote: »
    I feel strangely compelled to post this.

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    :lol::lol::lol:

    I dunno, might be kind of a niche pun, but I loved it!
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  • dencel#9331 dencel Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    It looks like Paramount has sold the ST franchise and they new owners say the Kelvin line must go.

    We will come back and play the day its all gone.

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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,509 Arc User
    Okay, finally got around to finishing LD. What Midnight's Edge failed to take into account was that at the end of "Fissure Quest", William Boimler directed all of the erupting quantum-fissure energy into his home universe, confident that the Cerritos crew could handle the problem. When the energy wave struck that Klingon ship, the captain was turned into a Klingon from over a hundred years earlier, from the days when the Shenzhou accidentally started a war with the Klingons. Same universe, just different times, expressing the probability of the Klingons never changing into the form we see in TNG. Similarly, one of the ships pursuing the Cerritos near the end turned into a sailing ship, with the loss of all hands, while another had the entire crew devolve into the creatures that Worf exemplified in the TNG episode "Genesis".

    Quite to the contrary of Edge's proclamation, this in fact cemented the place of DSC in the Prime timeline.

    And dencel, either you're a system (thus the "we"), or you have quite the odd idea of what STO players are doing with their time...
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,913 Community Moderator
    Not only that, even if it was alternate timelines bleeding through, we've already seen DSC style Klingons in the Mirror Universe as well. So they exist in multiple realities as well as the Prime Timeline.

    And I don't see anyone raging over the look of the Andorians changing at any point either. Just the Klingons. Also I would like to point out that DSC style Klingons actually do look better WITH hair. Season 2 did make them look a bit more like TNG style that way.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,777 Arc User
    For the SNW controls, didn't Pike or Spock make a comment in DSC (before SNW began) about "ripping out all the holo-controls" that were not working properly?

    So, not a timeline change but actively taking out a holo-refit that went wrong and reverting to old reliable TOS controls.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,509 Arc User
    For the SNW controls, didn't Pike or Spock make a comment in DSC (before SNW began) about "ripping out all the holo-controls" that were not working properly?

    So, not a timeline change but actively taking out a holo-refit that went wrong and reverting to old reliable TOS controls.
    Yeah, one of the reasons the Enterprise was in drydock was because the holosystems that were standard on most Starfleet ships were interfering with the Constitution-class's more sensitive sensors. They tried a number of workarounds, before Pike ordered that the holosystems all be removed.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,424 Arc User
    Also I'm pretty sure Star Trek is still essentially owned by Paramount, I've yet to hear of anything about Paramount Global selling the Star Trek IP from any reliable source.
  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,264 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Not only that, even if it was alternate timelines bleeding through, we've already seen DSC style Klingons in the Mirror Universe as well. So they exist in multiple realities as well as the Prime Timeline.

    The Terran Empire is working on it! It takes time to bomb planets from orbit!

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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,993 Arc User
    It looks like Paramount itself is what was sold, not Star Trek separately (which would be difficult), so it is at least somewhat likely that it will be business as usual, just with new holding company owners.

    As for the difficulty, there is some quirk of the way the IP is registered (there was a wild theory that Lucille Ball did that with some series to guard against IP poachers, but it was probably not the case, especially since no one expected the show to become the incredible phenomena it did) that makes it difficult to separate it from what was Desilu studios back when Star Trek was originally made, so the IP has always resided with it and the name of the studio simply changed as it was passed around (mostly as the original Paramount TV division then a subpart of that division when it was greatly expanded, with a short stint as one of the many CBS studios, and possibly a few other names).
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