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Romulan Super Nova That Threaten The Galaxy What Caused it? Spoilers from the New Season of Prodigy
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Okay The New Star Trek Prodigy season 2 is out I been Skimming throw the Episodes to get an Idea about it and Boy for this Theory To work there will be Some Spoilers maybe A lot I have No Idea YOU BEEN WARNED!!! Anyways The Romulan Super Nova that threaten the Romulan Empire Was Huge Compared the Klingon Empire there Neighbours and the Federation Now there Super Nova What Caused it Expansion I am thinking some sort of Temporal Paradox caused it to expanded threaten the Galaxy the reason why I brought it up is because the timeline lol time In this Season is basically a prequel to Star Trek Picard when the Senith Attacked Mars when they were TRIBBLE by General OH of the Tal'Shar and there was So many Paradoxes I know at the end they fixed everything but We know the expansion of the Super Nova threaten the Galaxy and it was Spock sacrificed his life in the Prime Universe and created what we know now as the Kelvin Universe (Mentioned in the Season) So what would have caused this Expansion of the Star Well I been thinking what about Time it self Chronotons that was left over from the event that happen during the Season that caused the Star To Self Destructed and expanded that Threaten the Beta and Alpha Quadrant maybe the entire Galaxy What you guys think of this Theory that Time Particles are Resposable for the Super Nova that Destroyed Romulas The reason why I think this they could have some how Reacted so the Star with in The Romulan Space and instated of Collapsing at it should after when a Red Giant Goes Boom instead it continue to Expand So What your guesses thoughts
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It wasn't a good theory either, a typical fifth grader could have come up with something a lot more believable, but unfortunately they didn't have an average fifth grader to write the movie, just Abrams, Kurtzman, and Orci (and Abrams was obviously the primary of the three). But that is getting a bit off topic I think, so I will leave it at that for now.
In the various starmaps shown in the shows and the babble about strategic matters, the RSE was rather long and narrow, and it turns out that the core of the Federation (including Earth, Vulcan, Tellar, and Andoria) are closer to the Romulan capital system than many of the named Romulan colony worlds. That means that either the "supernova" isn't actually a real supernova but rather some kind of huge superweapon such as the Iconians turning Hobus into a subspace shotgun aimed at the Romulan capital system in STO, (like a realworld "nuclear shaped charge").
If it was spherical, it was not any bigger than a typical supernova (in fact, rather on the small side) and just hit the region of the RSE where the capital and a few colony worlds are. It could not have been any larger than that without frying Bolia (which is right near the neutral zone), and there is no mention of having had to evacuate Bolia to escape the "supernova" in any Star Trek I have seen, much less having to evacuate Earth or the other Federation core worlds which are only about half as far away from Romulas as about two-thirds of Romulan space is.
As for chronotons or some paradox side effect, I suppose it is possible, I don't see where they would come from at this point though. The idea that it was not entirely natural is a good one though, since the Romulans are not stupid and would have seen the signs of a normal buildup to a supernova and gotten out of its way well before it went off.
I am not sure what the "season" you refer to is, it could not be PIC since the series takes place well after the "supernova" event, and even the time travel part is iffy since they never went near the Romulans when they travelled to Earth's past, and the 21st century part happened too early and too far away to be very plausible.
First off It Did if you read the Comic Book Countdown which was Beta Cannon it was the Hobos Star that Ignited and was constantly getting Full from planets it consumed and when it reached Romulus Spock was too late Now In the 2009 Movie of Star Trek where Nadera Incursion or the Kelvin Universe Spock Said to Kirk in a Mind-mild that a Star Went Super Nova In Romulan Space and Threaten THE GALAXY IT WAS IN THE MOVIE WATCH THAT Scene AND SEE Until Star Trek Picard Countdown was considered Alpha Cannon but because it was Not and the Romulans Knew about the Threat they try to help evacuate Romulus but near by Systems as well So why was that if WAS NOT EXPANDING and why Spock Sacrificed his Life With the Jellyfish that created the Black Hole in the First Place The Only thing I can think of that would caused this event would be an exotic particle like Chonotons it self that can full this expansion Pay attention to Every Line and I think you need to see Star Trek 09 Again
It starts "One hundred twenty-nine years from now, a star will explode, and threaten to destroy the galaxy."
Now, a star exploding isn't going to threaten to destroy the galaxy, but the after-effects of that explosion, on the civilisations around it would likely have far-reaching consequences.
The Romulans and Remans were the clear victims, and vengeance-filled minds can result in war being waged on an ever-increasing scale. Thus, the threat to the galaxy.
An exploding star isn't going to threaten to destroy the galaxy, but what if such explosion wasn't natural...?
A sufficiently advanced species,
You are right, I found a clip of the mind meld scene and it was even dumber than I remembered it to be (I have not seen the movie since a few weeks after it came out, and my memory of it apparently got tangled up with the CBS-based NuTrek on that point). I was also wrong about the fifth grader in my previous comment, make that a five-year-old instead and it would probably be about right.
On the other hand, the astrographic part of my comment is still valid, considering the shape of the Romulan empire as depicted in onscreen graphics and most of the third-party starmaps based on those on-screen depictions there is no way the "supernova" could have damaged more than a fraction of the RSE if it was a spherical event, less than a quarter of it unless Bolia was also destroyed along with the Romulan capital star system.
Primary kill zone from a real supernova is estimated to be out to about 50ly or so, with possible partial atmospheric damage from energetic x-rays and particles out to about 160 or thereabouts (in the worst-case scenarios) that could possibly damage the habitability of class-M planets to some degree. Most Trek starmaps, including ones fuzzily seen in the background in the shows themselves where the original graphics for those maps have been released, put Romulus at around 100ly distance from Earth.
PIC on the other hand says it was "the Romulan star", which makes a lot more sense if certain conditions are met.
One clue is that Remus is tidal locked to its sun but partially habitable on the surface (on the dark side). In theory that means that if it is an earthlike world geologically instead of something "squishy" enough that is probably too bizarre to be inhabitable it must be orbiting a star at the large end of the M-class scale or a K-class at the small end of its scale to be close enough to the star for that to happen in a reasonable time scale and still be in the "goldilocks zone" (around a more massive star it would probably take longer than the star's main-sequence lifetime).
An M or K class star cannot go supernova on its own (only O and B classes can, from especially violent core collapse) they can only get up to classic nova, and the star shown on the Romulan system map is not a close binary pair.
It may however be a distant member of a trinary, orbiting a red giant (or other large star type)/white dwarf pair though, and if it orbited them at around a half light-year (which is fairly common for a distant binary or trinary) or so then they would get the delay needed for the evacuation plans (and Spock's red matter try) before gamma and X rays fried the planet, all without any of Abrams' scientifically-naive handwavy nonsense (though the burning plasma effect they recycled from 2009 would still be ridiculous) and a 1a supernova would definitely do the job while still being far enough out that a classic nova would not damage Romulus or Remus.
And why would that distinction be important? It is probably safe to assume that Dilithium requires realworld lithium since what the technobabble describes is essentially some weird clathrate form of lithium. And dialog in the shows also say the RSE's main source of dilithium is Remus, which implies that there must be a source of lithium for whatever weird fictional natural process transforms it into dilithium in the area, one that is lacking in most of the RSE territory, and red giant (or some other stellar types)/white dwarf close pair is just such a source. And a small recurring classic nova doesn't always eject the material very fast so it may not have spread around very far, though far enough for the habitable star system of their distant M or K class companion to have swept some of it up.
Also, UV light from the close binary pair could cause the wispy ejecta to glow slightly from the UV the super-hot white dwarf, producing the purple tone to the light in the late evening and possibly at night without it being dense enough to see it as a nebula with the unaided eye, though daytimes would wash out to a regular blue sky.
That kind of pair also tends to hover on the edge of a 1a style supernova and (in theory at least) it might not take much to push it over the edge into a runaway burn and carbon detonation of the white dwarf core instead of just the hydrogen/helium process surface flash of the recurring classic nova.
It is possible that chronotons or some other common Trek technobabble thing could be the culprit that did it, or it could have collided with a small black hole, or maybe some trilithium got into the red giant and caused it to go nova early and blow a lot of its mass at the white dwarf causing it to chain react with it (there actually is evidence of a type of nova>supernova chain reaction like that caught by the space telescopes in the last few years).
Of course, the Romulan's lack of good sources of dilithium outside of their capital starsystem might not be a shortage of atomic lithium but rather a lack of whatever fictional process assembles atomic lithium into trilithium crystals in the rest of the RSE, but the scenario above actually fits the various bits of evidence better (and is more interesting to a science nerd like me).
EDIT: I have been busy lately so I put this together in little parts over a longer time than I would have liked, and I forgot to check the page before committing the comment, so I missed the stuff between this comment and jonsills one that I quoted, and my comment here might be a bit choppy. And yes, inferiority is probably right in that the political ramifications could potentially cause more havoc and hardship across a far larger range than the actual physical damage of the "supernova".
That... makes no sense to me and all I can think of when you say "anti-temporal particles" is the Anti-Time Anomaly from the TNG finale that threatened to wipe out humanity.
Also I don't know if there are anti-chronitons like proton and antiproton.
And Red Matter to my knowledge does NOT have any temporal elements of any kind. The fact the Black Hole was used for accidental time travel once does not mean it is a primary element. There was no temporal event when Vulcan was destroyed in the Kelvin Timeline, and there was no temporal event when the Narada was finally destroyed. The Red Matter did exactly what it was designed to do. Create a temporary artificial Black Hole.
My guess is what CAUSED the time travel via Red Matter Black Hole was whatever had fed the Supernova interacted with the singularity in a weird way. While the Black Hole did its job and snuffed out the Supernova, something happened that caused a time travel/cross dimensional event as well, hence Narada and Jellyfish surviving and the creation of the Kelvin Timeline.
It does not make sense to me either. In the shows, anti-chroniton seems to be a category of particles (one of them they called anyons) that counter chronitron radiation. Instead of causing time jumps it would protect from stuff like that (it may have been what Voyager was using in Year of Hell for their chronal shielding).
Any chroniton radiation or temporal phase shifting or whatever would probably have been from the Narada and Jellyfish being pulled in with their warp drives on emergency acceleration trying to escape the black hole since warp drives do have temporal effects in certain conditions, though it is also possible that something really weird happened that caused the "supernova" to generate Cochrane distortions (which would be necessary in the st2009 version anyway to produce an FTL shockwave, but not necessary in the PIC version). I may be wrong since I have not seen the movie in a long time, but I seem to remember something about the Narada's warp drive being offline when it was pulled in that final time, and Enterprise ejected its warp cores to cause an explosive shockwave to ride out of the vicinity of the black hole (more utter rubbish from a science standpoint of course), so it did not have functional warp drives when near it either (and they were not moving in such a way that it would slingshot them anyway even if they did have a warp field up).
Also, in STO there are anti-chroniton infused tetryon weapons that apparently use some kind of temporal phasing to ignore shields, which kind of muddies the waters by having the same name but without having much, if anything, to do with Abrams' nonsense.
The scene in question is on YouTube. Also when Spock rammed the Jellyfish into the Narada, it detonated the ENTIRE SUPPLY of Red Matter inside the Narada, so the black hole literally formed INSIDE the ship. They couldn't warp out because the ship was compromised, and Enterprise literally lit her up with everything they had to prevent her from escaping. As for Enterprise, they were at warp themselves trying to escape but apparently the black hole's pull was so strong that even with the warp drive at full power they were basically held in place. Surfing the shockwave from a detonating warp core was a Hail Mary maneuver that saved the ship. I'd compare it to being caught in a maelstrom, and setting off an explosion big enough to counteract the current by riding the wave that is produced. Plausible? Maybe. Realistic? Don't know. But it made for an awesome yeehaw moment.
And we can't really apply real world black hole physics to the Red Matter created Black Holes because of their artificial nature. They function like singularities, but they were not natural, thus... anything is possible with them. The black hole that destroyed Vulcan collapsed soon after consuming the planet from the inside out. And its implied that the black hole that sucked up the supernova also collapsed shortly after the Jellyfish and Narada were pulled in.