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Universe class can't use Compiler hangar pets

fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5
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The Universe class has two hangar bays, but it cannot use the hangar pets from the Compiler Science Dreadnought.

That hangar pets says it is restricted to that ship, or any full carrier. I always assumed that anything with two hangar bays is considered a full carrier?
[4:46] [Combat {self}] Your Haymaker deals 23337 (9049) Physical Damage(Critical) to Spawnmother

[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.

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    pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,177 Arc User
    All 3 Universe class full carriers Temporal Heavy Dreadnought Cruiser, Durgath Temporal Heavy Dreadnought Battlecruiser, Valkis Temporal Heavy Dreadnought Warbird cannot use Complier Digital Construct Drones or the Borg Kingdom Probes. Well I only tested the Probes on the Romulan version. All 3 should be able to use both pets having 2 hangar bays.
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    inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,005 Arc User
    edited February 26
    There might be a disconnect here between the terminology "full carrier" and "two hangar bays".

    A "full carrier" always has "two hangar bays" but it might not be the case that "two hangar bays" makes a ship a "full carrier".

    The Universe, Durgath and Valkis are Dreadnoughts, not a Carrier - at least, according to their names.

    Other Dreadnoughts with two hangar bays are considered Carriers due to their name including 'Carrier'
    For example:
    • Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier;
    • Fek'Ihri Fe'rang Dreadnought Carrier;
    • Terran Acheron Dreadnought Carrier.
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    pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,177 Arc User
    edited February 26
    inferiority wrote: »
    There might be a disconnect here between the terminology "full carrier" and "two hangar bays".

    A "full carrier" always has "two hangar bays" but it might not be the case that "two hangar bays" makes a ship a "full carrier".

    The Universe, Durgath and Valkis are Dreadnoughts, not a Carrier - at least, according to their names.

    Other Dreadnoughts with two hangar bays are considered Carriers due to their name including 'Carrier'
    For example:
    • Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier;
    • Fek'Ihri Fe'rang Dreadnought Carrier;
    • Terran Acheron Dreadnought Carrier.
    Terminology at least with the old devs was anything with two bays is a full carrier and frigates are for two bay carriers bar the rare exceptions.

    It happens almost every time we get a new frigate the 3 Romulan Carriers and the 3 Universe class Carriers get missed then a while later a patch comes out and the frigates start working.

    We had the patch notes "Kelvin Timeline T'laru Intel Carrier Warbird [T6], Ra'nodaire Support Carrier Warbird [T6], Fleet Ra'nodaire Support Carrier Warbird [T6]." but someone forgot about the Universe carriers this time around. Every other time this happened the Universe class ships got fixed as full carriers.
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc
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    The problem happened when most single-bay FDCs and other hybrid carriers were arbitrarily given a second bay and the devs failed to redefine the terminology in a way that made sense. If you read the original articles announcing the changes it is all too obvious that the devs only had a vague idea what they wanted to do with the change and were too close to the problem to see the forest for the trees when it came to organizing the mess (which is something that happens in the software industry in general more often than most people think).

    "Full carrier" only really applies to science and engineering ships whose primary means of attack are their pets and the ship itself supports them with science abilities (meant as a buff for the fighters, but more often seen as a gravity well platform instead), or by the engineering type acting as a damage sponge to distract the enemy while the pets kill them. There are (as far as I know of anyway) no tactical full carriers in the game.

    They usually give up two hardpoints for those bays while the hybrids only give up one, if any. Also, all true carriers have the full suite of "Carrier Commands" while partial carriers have a different (or mixed) suite like the "Cruiser Commands" track that the Universe has.

    All the full carriers sacrifice quite a bit of onboard offensive capability for their pets, and frankly most are badly outclassed by the "FDC" and other hybrid types like the Dreads.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,345 Arc User
    edited February 27
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    The Universe class has two hangar bays, but it cannot use the hangar pets from the Compiler Science Dreadnought.

    That hangar pets says it is restricted to that ship, or any full carrier. I always assumed that anything with two hangar bays is considered a full carrier?

    Frigate pets are mostly restricted to the ship they come from....mostly. A 'full' carrier is usually a 3/3 Carrier, not a Dreadnaught Carrier, or Flight Deck Carrier. It literally means a 'Carrier' and only a 'Carrier', not anything with 'Carrier' in it. Classifications are 'exact-literal' (because of how databases work), not player-hand-wavy-interpretations. :lol:
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    fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5
    fleetcaptain5#1134
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    leemwatson wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    The Universe class has two hangar bays, but it cannot use the hangar pets from the Compiler Science Dreadnought.

    That hangar pets says it is restricted to that ship, or any full carrier. I always assumed that anything with two hangar bays is considered a full carrier?

    Frigate pets are mostly restricted to the ship they come from....mostly. A 'full' carrier is usually a 3/3 Carrier, not a Dreadnaught Carrier, or Flight Deck Carrier. It literally means a 'Carrier' and only a 'Carrier', not anything with 'Carrier' in it. Classifications are 'exact-literal' (because of how databases work), not player-hand-wavy-interpretations. :lol:

    Forgive me for applying 'player-hand-wavy-interpretations' when the terminology is such a mess and the game has to resort to rules that 'usually' apply.
    [4:46] [Combat {self}] Your Haymaker deals 23337 (9049) Physical Damage(Critical) to Spawnmother

    [3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
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    pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,177 Arc User
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    leemwatson wrote: »
    fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »
    The Universe class has two hangar bays, but it cannot use the hangar pets from the Compiler Science Dreadnought.

    That hangar pets says it is restricted to that ship, or any full carrier. I always assumed that anything with two hangar bays is considered a full carrier?

    Frigate pets are mostly restricted to the ship they come from....mostly. A 'full' carrier is usually a 3/3 Carrier, not a Dreadnaught Carrier, or Flight Deck Carrier. It literally means a 'Carrier' and only a 'Carrier', not anything with 'Carrier' in it. Classifications are 'exact-literal' (because of how databases work), not player-hand-wavy-interpretations. :lol:

    Forgive me for applying 'player-hand-wavy-interpretations' when the terminology is such a mess and the game has to resort to rules that 'usually' apply.
    It certainly is a mess. Just to confuse matters, almost every other full carrier frigate like all 4 types of support frigates all work on the 3 Universe class ships. Not sure how many full frigates we have but that's 2 that don't work and a entire batch that do work. Suggesting those 2 should work.
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