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I am not sure how many people realize how political this game actually is, Maybe you do, if you dredged through making a Romulan character. Ideas for new content especially coming from CBS and The Star Trek franchise is currently Lower Decks and Picard. Let me through an idea for a protagonist, How about a Hologram Uprising. Canon in the serries did delve into the Holodeck and of course the Doctor. While the Doctor was one of my personal most intriguing characters not in the sense of being a doctor but being a Hologram an deemed Sentient.
Star Trek always touched on how current society is portrayed in a world of the future. I would find it obsoletely interesting with our advancements in Ai and the subjective terms of Sentient. To dig deep into the plausible protagonist of a complete System of Star Trek tech of 2409 into the hologram era. Also bringing the Doctors Character and Actor who is amazing would be Interesting.
Star Trek always touched on how current society is portrayed in a world of the future. I would find it obsoletely interesting with our advancements in Ai and the subjective terms of Sentient. To dig deep into the plausible protagonist of a complete System of Star Trek tech of 2409 into the hologram era. Also bringing the Doctors Character and Actor who is amazing would be Interesting.
"bortaS bIr jablu'DI' reH QaQqu' nay'"
Revenge is a Dish, Best Served Cold ~ Khan Noonien Singh
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The hologram 'uprising' already happened in the late 2370's (as per ST:Voy 'Author, Author') and the Doctor (and Robert Picardo) already exists in STO in the Delta Arc.
They are not sentient. Except in some people's wishful thinking. Which means they cannot create something new deliberately. They might create something "new". Out of randomly placing together words. But it will be derivative rather than completely unconnected to anything current.
As to the 'political' aspects of Star Trek Online. You've only just now noticed?
The game does have political elements in it, it has to since it has competing star nations (and all-out wars) in it, and those nations do (or did back in the traditional Treks) represent some realworld nations in some ways, though mostly it is more philosophical/sociological than directly political.
If instead of the competing nations stuff you are referring to the "wokeness" that some people complain of, that is not directly political, it is sociological. The illusion that the issues is intrinsically political is just due to the fact that the people who complain about it the most tend towards one end of the political spectrum and the people who are less bothered by it or actively support it tend to come from the other end.
The traditional Treks and SNW are soft sci-fi to various degrees (the movies after TMP and most NuTreks are space opera instead) a genre that specifically deals with the soft sciences (hence the 'soft' in the name) so it is almost impossible to do anything in it that does not have at least some kind of vaguely sociopolitical aspects to it.
Star Trek in general has never been shy about tackling controversal topics through the lens of Sci-Fi. All the way back to TOS. Hell they had an episode tackling racism!
Anyone who says "New Trek is woke" clearly haven't thought about a lot of the classic episodes and considered when they came out. Nowadays seeing aliens being aggressive towards each other becuase of which side of their body is what color makes for a good story TODAY, but you gotta consider how much of a hot button topic it was back IN THE 60s!
And frankly... "woke" is just being used as a trigger word to describe things someone doesn't like rather than its actual definition.
For those who need a refresher, the Vietnam War was raging, although nobody in Congress wanted to call it a war because over half the country supported it, and if they called it a war then the Constitution would require that Congress authorize it (or decline to do so, angering a lot of their voters - that has its parallels today). The Civil Rights Act had been passed only two years before, and was not enforced in quite a few states (don't point your fingers only at the South, we had racists all over the place just like today). Women couldn't get a credit card almost anywhere without either a husband or father co-signing, and while they could legally own property there tended to be a lot of roadblocks thrown in their path. "Redlining", the practice of designating certain areas as "too risky" for investment, was still legal. And we were in the throes of the Cold War, an ideological conflict with the Soviet Union (popularly thought of in the US as "Russia", since the Russian SSR dominated it) that threatened the planet with global destruction via an ample supply of thermonuclear devices and ICBMs on both sides of the conflict (as well as other nations developing their own fusion weapons and delivery systems).
Into that world came Star Trek, with its multinational crew that included a Japanese man at the helm (only twenty years after the Second World War had been ended by the only use thus far of nuclear weapons in warfare, against Japan - and the actor had spent his childhood in an internment camp because Americans didn't trust their own Japanese-descended citizens), a Black woman as a department head (call her a glorified operator all you like, she was the Chief Communications Officer for one of the most prestigious ships in Starfleet), a Black doctor backing up the CMO, and starting in the second season a proudly Russian astrogator. Oh, yes, and a first officer whose father wasn't even Human - talk about miscegenation (which was still highly illegal in seventeen states)! Even before we get into the plots they got involved in, Trek was "woke" - literally from the beginning.
Google it, and you get something like... "aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues (especially issues of racial and social justice)" - which sounds like a positive thing, doesn't it? There can be a pretty unpleasant underbelly when such people act with an overtly performative, condescending or self-righteous attitude about the issues at hand. With anyone contradicting or offending them labelled a bigot and cancelled or censored. Some would say these negative aspects are infiltrating more and more into society and the arts generally.
Yup, quite often, the ones combating certain 'bad' attitudes are committing the same 'woke crime' they are fighting against. Even when the science says certain things, you still called 'phobic' for using it.
I still don't see how Discovery is 'woke'....sorry. 'Strong female lead/Mary Sue.'....happened decades ago and been happening ever since. 'TRIBBLE/Trans characters'.......been happening 'successfully' for decades too. It's never been an issue for me....but stick a 'drag queen' near me....I'm running for the hills.....boisterous loud folk I can't do with
i think the difference is in the messaging. Let that be your last battlefield, Kirk and Uhura's kiss, and Dax's TRIBBLE kiss had context. the whole oh, BTW Seven is a TRIBBLE but we are not going to do anything with it was just a check box on a list, IMO.
at least disco developed that TRIBBLE relationship somewhat. I really liked the schism and the heartache after the doc croaked and came back
True, DSC is not particularly 'woke' or otherwise socially progressive compared to the average TV show nowadays, it makes little or no attempt to push the envelope on those kinds of issues beyond them. It is an action-style space opera where the soft sciences and philosophy take a back seat to eye candy and stunts and with few exceptions the cast is more of a sideshow than the main drive of the stories.
And Burnham is not a Mary Sue, she is a typical action hero but since she is female she gets that title hung on her. A Mary Sue is an insert into an existing story line who hijacks the lead from the original hero, is instantly liked by everyone (often even enemies though they try not to admit it even to themselves), always has the answers and never makes mistakes, and Burnham is none of those.
She was the hero to begin with, not a usurper of the role, she rubs other characters the wrong way often as not (and was actually hated by more of them than liked for most of first season), she does a lot of incredibly stupid things (the only thing keeping her alive a lot of the time is ridiculously effective plot armor), and she really isn't any more of a know-it-all than the typical Vulcan (and in addition to the very intense Vulcan schooling, she has part of a Vulcan katra in her head which gives her a sort of back door legitimacy in that respect).
TOS is still the boldest of the Treks when it comes to bucking the conventions of its time and showing the possibilities of a more cooperative way, none of the spinoffs come close.
A certain Ellen Ripley was 'woke' Burnham, before 'woke' Burnham existed
I wanted to second this.
Stories about AI in the Trek universe? Sure, why not. Disco did that in season 2 and so far STO hasn't done all that much with that storyline - even though it was one of the more interesting ones, much more so than yet another conflict with the Klingons if anyone asked me.
Not a fan of AI generated content though. Most of it is currently basically generated by stealing other people's work. And then there's the issue of making people redundant and replacing them.
Personally I'm all for letting AI en computers taking over dangerous tasks or doing things that have a clear benefit for humanity (like using AI to create new medication for very rare diseases or something like that). With the creative jobs, it's different though. I want my art, games and books to be made by humans and whenever I can, I'd flat out boycot any company or its products that decided to replace humans with AI for its creative tasks.
I Was more so thinking of not actual human generated story telling FROM Ai but rather humans writing a story in Star Trek Involving a Ai corruption based with the Hologram Systems and Sentience. Just to Clarify
"bortaS bIr jablu'DI' reH QaQqu' nay'"
Revenge is a Dish, Best Served Cold ~ Khan Noonien Singh
It would not be anything new theme-wise, in fact the shows are getting into a rut with doing it so often (a few recent examples: DSC s2, PIC s3, and to a lesser extent Prodigy), the only difference is that they have not done it with holopeople very often, just once or twice in VOY I think. STO has even done it
> It would not be anything new theme-wise, in fact the shows are getting into a rut with doing it so often (a few recent examples: DSC s2, PIC s3, and to a lesser extent Prodigy), the only difference is that they have not done it with holopeople very often, just once or twice in VOY I think. STO has even done it
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I think this also appeared in TNG.