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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,511 Arc User
    I've seen ships melt group content boss ships within seconds; whole Borg groups like in times when no level scaling was present and they where level 1. :D

    I'm not bothered with the price of these tokens; I'm not in a hurry or need to up my ships. Should I collect free tokens to up them I will; if not then not. And on a personal level I sure like fiddling around some more with my ships. But on a general level I seriously question the wisdom to add even more power potential to them.
  • jcswwjcsww Member Posts: 6,826 Arc User
    Glad they're using existing token and not a new one.

    Would have preferred it being only one token to go through each level. This proposed system could get expensive when we're talking T6-X3+ etc.

    The point is to convince players to pay for T7 without introducing T7. T6 X3 will more than likely be 3 tokens but they better give us more than just the usual upgrade for the cost. 2 tokens wouldn't have been so bad if they had added an extra space Duty Officer slot or something outside of just the rinse and reuse at double the price.
  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,541 Arc User
    How many more tokens is it going to take to bring the average 10k DPS player up to 30k? 12? Maybe even 15. :P
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  • mephizton2092mephizton2092 Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    We did not need more power. There is no win inSTO, but there is also almost no need to play annymore. Outside event maps there is not much choice in non fast maps.
    If a new player would join a red alert map, that player could get afk.
    People allready barely know strategies on maps, the fail conditionswere a good mechanic to let people learn the game instead of just rpessing space bar... I noticed they want to remove the fail condition also on tzen red alert... why? Adding power doesn't make people skilled ....
    The game is very easy, adding more power doesn't make it more fun, loading often takes longer than a tfo itself by now
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited September 2023
    Had I known they were gonna do this, I would've made even more x upgrades from my disused phoenix tokens than I already did.

    However it really doesn't make sense for the second upgrade to require 2 more instead of 1 more.
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  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,399 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    However it really doesn't make sense for the second upgrade to require 2 more instead of 1 more.
    More unlocks tend to cost more resources, whatever the MMO you're playing!

    The T6 > T6-X upgrade gives you the first extra device, console and trait slot.
    The T6-X to T6-X2 upgrade gives you the second of them, and makes perfect sense they cost more.

    But seriously, why's nobody worried about the numerical pattern?

    It is 1,2,3,4,5... or will it be 1,2,4,8,16...
    We'll have to wait until T6-X3 to find out!
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited September 2023
    One more is still one more, say you are upgrading a navy warship with a new computer and adding a second one of the same kind, would the second one require twice more power than the first one, no it would just multiply the same input required per unit.
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  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,399 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    ...would the second one require twice more power than the first one, no...
    But we're not talking about upgrading the hardware of something - we're talking about the way MMO games work.
    In STO, each successive T6-X upgrade costs more than the previous.
    In Runes of Magic, each successive rune slot costs more than the previous.
    In Rift, each successive backpack slot costs more than the previous.
    There's just one example from MMO's other than STO - they can't be free-to-play without getting money somehow.
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  • talientalien Member Posts: 712 Arc User
    Why, exactly, do we need more power creep? Much of the time I join a random TFO there's at least one person who can solo it. Loads of fun when someone one shots everything and melts the boss in seconds while the rest of the team doesn't really get to do anything.
  • jcswwjcsww Member Posts: 6,826 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    However it really doesn't make sense for the second upgrade to require 2 more instead of 1 more.
    More unlocks tend to cost more resources, whatever the MMO you're playing!

    The T6 > T6-X upgrade gives you the first extra device, console and trait slot.
    The T6-X to T6-X2 upgrade gives you the second of them, and makes perfect sense they cost more.

    But seriously, why's nobody worried about the numerical pattern?

    It is 1,2,3,4,5... or will it be 1,2,4,8,16...
    We'll have to wait until T6-X3 to find out!

    That's like saying that you go to the store and buy one apple for $1. If you buy two apples, the price is $3. It doesn't take a genius to realize how stupid that math looks.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,841 Arc User
    edited September 2023
    jcsww wrote: »
    avoozuul wrote: »
    However it really doesn't make sense for the second upgrade to require 2 more instead of 1 more.
    More unlocks tend to cost more resources, whatever the MMO you're playing!

    The T6 > T6-X upgrade gives you the first extra device, console and trait slot.
    The T6-X to T6-X2 upgrade gives you the second of them, and makes perfect sense they cost more.

    But seriously, why's nobody worried about the numerical pattern?

    It is 1,2,3,4,5... or will it be 1,2,4,8,16...
    We'll have to wait until T6-X3 to find out!

    That's like saying that you go to the store and buy one apple for $1. If you buy two apples, the price is $3. It doesn't take a genius to realize how stupid that math looks.

    The scary part is that I have seen games with that steep of a skill progression cost, where the cost requirement does literally double for each level of skill. Hopefully the devs use a less steep, less rapacious progression, like the 1,2,3,4,5... one for the X upgrades.
  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    However it really doesn't make sense for the second upgrade to require 2 more instead of 1 more.
    More unlocks tend to cost more resources, whatever the MMO you're playing!

    The T6 > T6-X upgrade gives you the first extra device, console and trait slot.
    The T6-X to T6-X2 upgrade gives you the second of them, and makes perfect sense they cost more.

    But seriously, why's nobody worried about the numerical pattern?

    It is 1,2,3,4,5... or will it be 1,2,4,8,16...
    We'll have to wait until T6-X3 to find out!

    It may be 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21...

    Or 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2,

    Or even 1, 2, 4, 16, 256 :p

    Or just 1, 2, 47.
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