Starfleet Command ships in STO.. How can we make that happen..?

evilbsg62

This is something people have wanted for quite a long time.. the Ulysses, the Okinawa, the Akula.. the MIDWAY Class Carrier give her 3 flight decks.. omg and non promo please... there are others.. i got an idea for the Okinawa console..
Console - Universal - High Energy Turn
Anyway just a thought.

thunderfoot

Different company owns the IP license on those specific designs and ideas related to them.

rattler2

thunderfoot#5163 wrote: »

Different company owns the IP license on those specific designs and ideas related to them.

Except that Cryptic has asked if they can use ships from other games, and the answer was "as long as you rebuild the model yourself". Hence why we have Valkyire and Kodai fighters. While they're not playable themselves (would like playable versions) they are from different games. The Valkyries came from Star Trek: Invasion, and Kodais came from SFC2 and Shattered Universe.

So... in theory... it is possible. And apparently in a recent livestream they said another ship from another game is coming, and made a point to mention it wasn't the Ark Royal class.

Makes me wonder why they made a point to say it wasn't the Ark Royal...

leemwatson

rattler2 wrote: »

thunderfoot#5163 wrote: »

Different company owns the IP license on those specific designs and ideas related to them.

Except that Cryptic has asked if they can use ships from other games, and the answer was "as long as you rebuild the model yourself". Hence why we have Valkyire and Kodai fighters. While they're not playable themselves (would like playable versions) they are from different games. The Valkyries came from Star Trek: Invasion, and Kodais came from SFC2 and Shattered Universe.

So... in theory... it is possible. And apparently in a recent livestream they said another ship from another game is coming, and made a point to mention it wasn't the Ark Royal class.

Makes me wonder why they made a point to say it wasn't the Ark Royal...

Yeah I noted that comment as well. Either someone has been pestering for it, or it's already in the works??

fleetcaptain5

I wonder when we'll get the Teutoburg class from ST: Armada Fleet Ops.

rattler2

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

I wonder when we'll get the Teutoburg class from ST: Armada Fleet Ops.

THAT is probably out of the question as I think that is a fan design added in a mod. Ships from mods have a higher risk of being fan designs, like the Excalibur class from Armada III. If the ship came from an unmodded game its fair game for Cryptic. But modded in ships? No. Too big a risk of it being a fan design and legal fallout from the original designer. (Anyone remember the headaches caused by the Odyssey, hence why we don't have contests like that anymore?)

fleetcaptain5

rattler2 wrote: »

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

I wonder when we'll get the Teutoburg class from ST: Armada Fleet Ops.

THAT is probably out of the question as I think that is a fan design added in a mod. Ships from mods have a higher risk of being fan designs, like the Excalibur class from Armada III. If the ship came from an unmodded game its fair game for Cryptic. But modded in ships? No. Too big a risk of it being a fan design and legal fallout from the original designer. (Anyone remember the headaches caused by the Odyssey, hence why we don't have contests like that anymore?)

Hm, I thought that adding designs to a game that uses the protected Star Trek brand and releasing it, would basically amount to giving up ownership of the design.

I might well be wrong here, but it seems odd that one could make their own designs, use protected brands and trademarks etc to draw in the necessary attention and then still claim ownership over that design.


If I were to design a funny looking animal tomorrow, call it a Pokémon and use it to get the necessary traffic to my website or whatever, I surely wouldn't dare (or even want) to complain when the owners of Pokémon decided to make it an official Pokémon.

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thay8472

Easiest way would be to wave some money around as you say "I want 'X' class from SFC."

I'd totally fly the Yamato Class though! That thing was a beast!

rattler2

fleetcaptain5#1134 wrote: »

Hm, I thought that adding designs to a game that uses the protected Star Trek brand and releasing it, would basically amount to giving up ownership of the design.

I might well be wrong here, but it seems odd that one could make their own designs, use protected brands and trademarks etc to draw in the necessary attention and then still claim ownership over that design.


If I were to design a funny looking animal tomorrow, call it a Pokémon and use it to get the necessary traffic to my website or whatever, I surely wouldn't dare (or even want) to complain when the owners of Pokémon decided to make it an official Pokémon.

Mods aren't official content however. And any fan designs added into a game via mod doesn't instantly make it official. Legally its still owned by the person who designed it. Even popular designs like the Excalibur class, that are widely accepted by the community, still falls under the umbrella of "fan design" and owned by the original creator. Any attempt to monetize it invites lawsuits over stealing the design. They'd have to negotiate for it.

There's a prolific modeler on DevArt who has his own design of a TOS era ship. Yea he doesn't own Star Trek, but he's the one who came up with that particular ship design. Cryptic cannot use that without his permission. Same situation with any modded in ship designs.

Star Wars has faced a LOT of criticizm for using fan art without crediting the original creators.

ANYONE who makes fan stuff would jump at the chance to have their design used in an official capacity, but there are legal hurdles that have to be overcome. You can't just up and use ANY design you find on the internet.

So if we're going to get more ships from games, the source of the ship CANNOT be a mod for the game. It has to be one that shipped with the game itself, ships like the Cardassian Hutet (Dominion Wars), Klingon Fek'lhr (Armada/SFC3), and Federation Incursion (Away Team/Armada II).

foxman00

Yep. Fan designs are a nightmare Cryptic have encountered in the past (Vesta) when trying to get it into the game (Negotiations, costs, etc etc)

szerontzur

valoreah wrote: »

I would not mind seeing ships from Star Trek: Armada I and II in the game too. Some of those were very cool.

Absolutely. I definitely enjoyed some of the Romulan designs from Armada/Bridge Commander and would love to see STO's take on some of them.

-=Griffin Class=-

-=Shadow Class=-

-=Shrike Class=-

theraven2378

The NX era Yorktown class from Star Trek Legacy, that was a powerhouse of a ship

rattler2

theraven2378 wrote: »

The NX era Yorktown class from Star Trek Legacy, that was a powerhouse of a ship

Wouldn't mind the Posidon class either. And Enterprise era parts for the Daedelus. While it wasn't playable in the base game, the Daedelus was in game in the Enterprise era. And she actually looked pretty good with NX asthetics.

evilbsg62

thunderfoot#5163 wrote: »

Different company owns the IP license on those specific designs and ideas related to them.

we got Valkyries i can only hope they will make a deal.. FASA might come to the table.

evilbsg62

theraven2378 wrote: »

The NX era Yorktown class from Star Trek Legacy, that was a powerhouse of a ship

I like the way you think.. YES PLZ.. with a 2 flight deck config.

evilbsg62

szerontzur wrote: »

valoreah wrote: »

I would not mind seeing ships from Star Trek: Armada I and II in the game too. Some of those were very cool.

Absolutely. I definitely enjoyed some of the Romulan designs from Armada/Bridge Commander and would love to see STO's take on some of them.

-=Griffin Class=-

-=Shadow Class=-

-=Shrike Class=-

Also YES!

evilbsg62

foxman00 wrote: »

Yep. Fan designs are a nightmare Cryptic have encountered in the past (Vesta) when trying to get it into the game (Negotiations, costs, etc etc)

Willing to pay :P

evilbsg62

rattler2 wrote: »

thunderfoot#5163 wrote: »

Different company owns the IP license on those specific designs and ideas related to them.

Except that Cryptic has asked if they can use ships from other games, and the answer was "as long as you rebuild the model yourself". Hence why we have Valkyire and Kodai fighters. While they're not playable themselves (would like playable versions) they are from different games. The Valkyries came from Star Trek: Invasion, and Kodais came from SFC2 and Shattered Universe.

So... in theory... it is possible. And apparently in a recent livestream they said another ship from another game is coming, and made a point to mention it wasn't the Ark Royal class.

Makes me wonder why they made a point to say it wasn't the Ark Royal...

I played those games extensively.. i want the mk II and mk III versions too.. the mk III would be great with hy

evilbsg62

rattler2 wrote: »

thunderfoot#5163 wrote: »

Different company owns the IP license on those specific designs and ideas related to them.

Except that Cryptic has asked if they can use ships from other games, and the answer was "as long as you rebuild the model yourself". Hence why we have Valkyire and Kodai fighters. While they're not playable themselves (would like playable versions) they are from different games. The Valkyries came from Star Trek: Invasion, and Kodais came from SFC2 and Shattered Universe.

So... in theory... it is possible. And apparently in a recent livestream they said another ship from another game is coming, and made a point to mention it wasn't the Ark Royal class.

Makes me wonder why they made a point to say it wasn't the Ark Royal...

Say what now.. i missed the part where you mentioned the midway hahaha yes.. just hurricanes.. and high energy turn.. good ideas.. you can build a set around SFC ships.. High energy turn, wild weasel, armored boarding shuttles, hurricane and lightning fighters.. 1 squad each for a ark royal would be sweet.. and maybe the Ulysses.. ive always wanted the federation too but eh.. they would have to build it it seems like a pain.. itd have to look less dumb though.. the over bulk.. its sleek.. just over bulked.

thay8472

Thinking on it further I'd like to see them add the Okinawa Class to STO. That little frigate saved my butt so many times against the Lyrans.

phoenixc

A possible problem in getting Starfleet Command ships into STO is that those ships are licensed by Franz Joseph Designs and CBS has no rights to them (besides the TOS Constitution class ship itself of course). That difference in licensing lines is also why SFB (the tabletop game Starfleet Command is based on) could not use anything from post-TOS/TAS Star Trek shows.

If by some chance they could get them though, it would be nice to fly a Sparrowhawk in STO.

rattler2

The difference is that Starfleet Command did advance to the TMP era, and later TNG era with SFC 3. And considering we already have the Kodais in game (which appeared as the Fed fighters in SFC 2 and playable fighter class in Shattered Universe) we should be able to touch the TMP designs of ships. And I think the reason SFC 1 and 2 went TMP era is because of licensing issues, on top of the more popular TMP era design of the movies at the time.

phoenixc

rattler2 wrote: »

The difference is that Starfleet Command did advance to the TMP era, and later TNG era with SFC 3. And considering we already have the Kodais in game (which appeared as the Fed fighters in SFC 2 and playable fighter class in Shattered Universe) we should be able to touch the TMP designs of ships. And I think the reason SFC 1 and 2 went TMP era is because of licensing issues, on top of the more popular TMP era design of the movies at the time.

In that case, they may have jumped to a Paramount license later on since the FJD one had no rights to anything after TOS (and maybe TAS). I only played the very early standalone disc version which only used SFB ships, and not any of the Paramount ones since I was too busy IRL to follow the later versions.

rattler2

Well... both SFC 1 and 2 were TMP era. They couldn't bring in the Kzinti in SFC 2, so they substituted them with the Mirak and made them the rivals of the Lyrans. They did bring the ISC in though. SFC 3 jumped into the TNG era. Fewer ship options but added in the ability to customize your ship using faction specific weapons and shields. They also simplified things, but dropped the factions down to 4. The storyline was following the events around Unity 1, which kinda ended up being a bit of a sequel to Star Trek Away Team due to dealing with the "Incursion Technology", aka Holocloak.

theraven2378

Shrike class destroyer for the Romulans, that would be nice

vetteguy904

now if we can get the Hydrans and Lyrans in the game.

rattler2

That might be far more difficult. Although it would be interesting to face off against a species that practically pioneered starfighter tactics like the Hydrans.

dareau

Answer to this question starts with a question...

Who owns the old "Interplay" designs?

I vaguely recall a thread back in the days where it was discussed as to ship design philoshopies, and the Devs replied along the lines of: One of Interplay's mandates is that after the "obvious" imports (Miranda, Connie, Excelsior, K'Tinga, BoP, etc.) the ship designs had to fit in with the designs used in other Interplay games (Starfleet / Klingon Academies, the "wing commander"ish ones) for "continuity" throughout the Interplay portion of the franchise.

That was why the Gorn race in SFC had the "flying stapler" line vs. the "traditional true-source (SFB)" inspired add-a-bubble designs.

Once that is determined, the "usual legal wrangling" can begin...

rattler2

Probably not as we do have the Kodai fighters that appeared in SFC2 and Shattered Universe. May not be playable, but it is modled and usable as a hanger item.

Frankly I'd love a playable Valkyrie and Kodai.

lianthelia

Would love to see the King Condor battleship from SFC2