What story arc do you like the most from the current and/or previous stories?
For me it is the Iconian War Story, esp the final episode Midnight, it is so well written, acted and played out with some very moving scenes, even the lead up missions to the final one are great. Though each mission is long they are enjoyable to play. Nimbus III would be my next favorite story line to play. The Breen mission arc is also worthy of mention, though I generally only play that specifically to get the full Breen set for certain characters.
Probably Wasteland. It's a low-key romp through a backwater of the IP that scratches my itch of character-driven Trek story telling (even if rudimentary) without the bombast of GALAXY DOOM THE VILLAINS ARE UP TO GENOCIDE AGAIN DEFEND EARTH! (see. Undine, Iconians, DSC Klingons, Terrans, Dominion, Tzenkethi, Hur'Q, Borg, Romulans [several times over], Xindi, Sphere Builders, Vaadwuar, ect. Trek and STO are overflowing with Dr. Choaticas scheming to wipe out planetary populations). There's approachable motivations like greed and hubris afoot. You can fit it into the feel of a mid-season episode of Trek that not many talk about but most generally find is alright, which to me make up the most endearing parts of the IP (because they're typically the parts that make you want to live in that universe). The worldbuilding isn't grand, thematic connections but a slice of life on the edge of space that fits within a constructed galactic civilization that's not teetering at the brink at every season finale. It gets me to care about what's happening, despite how unassuming the whole thing is. No one bit is stellar but the combination of mood, tone, pace, and context work really well for an RPG.
Plus the bar fight, pirate rescue, and exploring Nimbus III all have some unique gameplay moments that let you play with personal headcanon and RP for reactions (and feel like your boffs are involved, unlike modern STO episodes where their role has been entirely subsumed by cameos) more than a desperate and heroic stance being the assumed default.
The Foundry was great at delivering like content (as the STO team focused on captivating, cinematic, bombast we could delve into other niches) but with that gone it's content like Wasteland that largely keep the niche alive. If I came to power, I'd absolutely make some interstitial, one off or weakly connecting episodes that really hammer the world building and character tempo of Nimbus (but more so) to provide the game more precious texture. Ninth Rule I'll also give a shout-out too for hitting a few of the same mood/tempo/context beats in a bite-sized format. If some day Cryptic can deliver another arc whose principle antagonist isn't likely to obliterate a home world per "violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" writ large in their galactic ambition, I'll be a very happy Tardigrade.
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Probably the Iconian War. It would have been nice if it had been longer, but there are few other stories where the stakes were as high as during that one.
They did try in later arcs of course, but that only made it tiresome. The Iconian War was unique in that respect at the time, and the build-up to those moments of pure desperation was well done.
I also like the arc with the Dyson spheres a lot. There was some interesting exploration there.
On the other hand, I didn't care for J'ula and the Klingon civil war arcs at all. Klingons smashing each other's heads in, what's new?
Yeah I have to agree with Duncan on wasteland as good as some the recent arcs have been there's room and I would say need for low stakes storylines as well if it's just all Doom and Gloom on an epic scale you get bored of it and apathetic about the stakes, but if you got story lines where the whole multiverse isn't at stake the times when the scale is grand the story feels as epic as it should.
Yeah I have to agree with Duncan on wasteland as good as some the recent arcs have been there's room and I would say need for low stakes storylines as well if it's just all Doom and Gloom on an epic scale you get bored of it and apathetic about the stakes, but if you got story lines where the whole multiverse isn't at stake the times when the scale is grand the story feels as epic as it should.
We've also seen it's greatest possible height with Measure of Morality, with layers of genocidal villains scheming together in an artificial scenario gone wrong with the near-shark jumping but glorious moment of thwarting that with all of Trek's to date heroic figures (Lincoln included). And this all to give an explicit, in-plot subversion of dealing with those themes, questions, and headspace (relating it back to the hubris of the one asking the question. Ie. relatable foibles, grounding the episode despite how insane it is stepping back).
No constructed, in universe DOOOOM scenario can match that extreme peak in the literal confrontation, with the subtext of the episode highlighting how contrive it can be (no matter what choice you make, the in-game author stamped down on grim-dark doom which made the expression of your morality far less of a grand galactic thing but a smaller, human choice about right/wrong in the moment. You can't account for the Exaliban's extrapolations, thus it's pointless to frame your answer against them. The grand galactic theater is a bit hollow and unapproachable, what's left is you). While Wasteland is my favorite arc, Measure of Morality is probably my favorite episode for how much is there to counterpoint and reflect with (in spectacular fashion). Though once done you can't do another episode like it. It's a capstone episode on everything that came before (asking for something different to follow after, learning the lessons...rather than going back to megavillains sieging Earth).
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I like individual episodes more than arcs, but the Romulan faction stories were a great arc even if parts of it was more Tovan's story not mine. And as a TOS fan, the TOS character pre-jump missions were a lot of fun.
For a Klingon, the first trip to gre'thor was well done, as well as some others like searching for survivors from a crashed ship.
For a Fed, the Doomsday Machine story was a memorable early one
For arcs deleted from the timeline by the Annorax * , the Miral Paris story.
It might be controversial but I like the Freedom/Romulan Mystery Arc, I know some of you hate the Vault and Coliseum mission, but Let me cook real quick Ok, they're not that bad, the Vault is by far the easiest mission to complete in STO and Coliseum was a pretty cool concept that ties really nicely to the whole Romulans are Space Romans theme, however what really makes this Arc so satisfying is Cutting the Cord, it has 2 different cutscenes, If your a Starfleet, KDF or Jemmy you get the Normal cutscene but if you're a Romulan you get a Special cutscene, that makes it all worth it by personally shooting Hakeev in the head.
It might be controversial but I like the Freedom/Romulan Mystery Arc, I know some of you hate the Vault and Coliseum mission, but Let me cook real quick Ok, they're not that bad, the Vault is by far the easiest mission to complete in STO and Coliseum was a pretty cool concept that ties really nicely to the whole Romulans are Space Romans theme, however what really makes this Arc so satisfying is Cutting the Cord, it has 2 different cutscenes, If your a Starfleet, KDF or Jemmy you get the Normal cutscene but if you're a Romulan you get a Special cutscene, that makes it all worth it by personally shooting Hakeev in the head.
They did a nice job giving the Romulan player different/unique interactions with Hakeev at several points. For example, you're why he has the artificial eye.
It might be controversial but I like the Freedom/Romulan Mystery Arc, I know some of you hate the Vault and Coliseum mission, but Let me cook real quick Ok, they're not that bad, the Vault is by far the easiest mission to complete in STO and Coliseum was a pretty cool concept that ties really nicely to the whole Romulans are Space Romans theme, however what really makes this Arc so satisfying is Cutting the Cord, it has 2 different cutscenes, If your a Starfleet, KDF or Jemmy you get the Normal cutscene but if you're a Romulan you get a Special cutscene, that makes it all worth it by personally shooting Hakeev in the head.
They did a nice job giving the Romulan player different/unique interactions with Hakeev at several points. For example, you're why he has the artificial eye.
I think that storyline is even stronger if instead of a Romulan you're a Reman as Hakeev constantly considers you a "lesser being" it's so satisfying to have him at your mercy in the end, after dismantling his operation and making him look like the ranting idiot who got lucky he is.
I did like the Romulan arc as well although I found the lack of reaction when you finally find Z'den, Veril's father somewhat disappointing. even with Veril in your party she has no reaction when you find him in the Elachi base. I personally think there should be, just like there was when you find Tovan's sister Rhinna. To me it let down the story a lot given how he was taken in the first chapters. But maybe I'm just being picky.
They were probably too busy pouring all their efforts into making Tovan's Story, they didn't think to spare a bit of effort for the OTHER original members of the Romulan player's crew as well.
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They were probably too busy pouring all their efforts into making Tovan's Story, they didn't think to spare a bit of effort for the OTHER original members of the Romulan player's crew as well.
It wouldn't matter for me since most of my Romulan original crew were replaced by hot women, Tovan, Satra and Veril are the only ones that remains of them.
A while ago I heard something about Tovan being an experiment in making the stories more interactive and deeper but it would bug out if you don't have the boff in your away team when it came to one of those optional points (or something like that, it was on some old Ten Forward when they were answering questions, iirc) so Tovan had to be nailed in place on the crew roster. If that is really the case, then they probably didn't have the interaction between Z'den and Veril in order to avoid having to make Veril non-dismissible like Tovan is.
As for which arc is my favorite, I agree that the early Romulan stuff is best, closely followed by the Spectres arc and the AoY arc.
I favor any story arc which uses familiar Star Trek touchstones. Our using the Guardian of Forever sealed the deal for me. It's been missing from our game for almost five years.
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I favor any story arc which uses familiar Star Trek touchstones. Our using the Guardian of Forever sealed the deal for me. It's been missing from our game for almost five years.
Hopefully, one day The Guardian of Forever will return, they keep saying it will, I just wish it was sooner rather than later.
A while ago I heard something about Tovan being an experiment in making the stories more interactive and deeper but it would bug out if you don't have the boff in your away team when it came to one of those optional points (or something like that, it was on some old Ten Forward when they were answering questions, iirc) so Tovan had to be nailed in place on the crew roster. If that is really the case, then they probably didn't have the interaction between Z'den and Veril in order to avoid having to make Veril non-dismissible like Tovan is.
As for which arc is my favorite, I agree that the early Romulan stuff is best, closely followed by the Spectres arc and the AoY arc.
Suspect they wanted to test the waters with Tovan first before committing fully as Veril's story seems kind of incomplete so I assume the original plan was that she would have been updated to same status as Tovan had that been popular and not one of the most hated things in STO.
They actually have reactions and dialogue changes when interacting with Slamek, depending if you are Romulan and/or found him first at installation 18 on Nimbus before you find him in the Colosseum episode. So surely they could have done something similar when locating Z'den. Also what happened to Z'den was not the way things should have gone down, considering his role and interactions during the Romulan beginning arc.
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Plus the bar fight, pirate rescue, and exploring Nimbus III all have some unique gameplay moments that let you play with personal headcanon and RP for reactions (and feel like your boffs are involved, unlike modern STO episodes where their role has been entirely subsumed by cameos) more than a desperate and heroic stance being the assumed default.
The Foundry was great at delivering like content (as the STO team focused on captivating, cinematic, bombast we could delve into other niches) but with that gone it's content like Wasteland that largely keep the niche alive. If I came to power, I'd absolutely make some interstitial, one off or weakly connecting episodes that really hammer the world building and character tempo of Nimbus (but more so) to provide the game more precious texture. Ninth Rule I'll also give a shout-out too for hitting a few of the same mood/tempo/context beats in a bite-sized format. If some day Cryptic can deliver another arc whose principle antagonist isn't likely to obliterate a home world per "violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" writ large in their galactic ambition, I'll be a very happy Tardigrade.
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They did try in later arcs of course, but that only made it tiresome. The Iconian War was unique in that respect at the time, and the build-up to those moments of pure desperation was well done.
I also like the arc with the Dyson spheres a lot. There was some interesting exploration there.
On the other hand, I didn't care for J'ula and the Klingon civil war arcs at all. Klingons smashing each other's heads in, what's new?
We've also seen it's greatest possible height with Measure of Morality, with layers of genocidal villains scheming together in an artificial scenario gone wrong with the near-shark jumping but glorious moment of thwarting that with all of Trek's to date heroic figures (Lincoln included). And this all to give an explicit, in-plot subversion of dealing with those themes, questions, and headspace (relating it back to the hubris of the one asking the question. Ie. relatable foibles, grounding the episode despite how insane it is stepping back).
No constructed, in universe DOOOOM scenario can match that extreme peak in the literal confrontation, with the subtext of the episode highlighting how contrive it can be (no matter what choice you make, the in-game author stamped down on grim-dark doom which made the expression of your morality far less of a grand galactic thing but a smaller, human choice about right/wrong in the moment. You can't account for the Exaliban's extrapolations, thus it's pointless to frame your answer against them. The grand galactic theater is a bit hollow and unapproachable, what's left is you). While Wasteland is my favorite arc, Measure of Morality is probably my favorite episode for how much is there to counterpoint and reflect with (in spectacular fashion). Though once done you can't do another episode like it. It's a capstone episode on everything that came before (asking for something different to follow after, learning the lessons...rather than going back to megavillains sieging Earth).
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For a Klingon, the first trip to gre'thor was well done, as well as some others like searching for survivors from a crashed ship.
For a Fed, the Doomsday Machine story was a memorable early one
For arcs deleted from the timeline by the Annorax * , the Miral Paris story.
( * or Cryptic, one of those two. )
They did a nice job giving the Romulan player different/unique interactions with Hakeev at several points. For example, you're why he has the artificial eye.
I think that storyline is even stronger if instead of a Romulan you're a Reman as Hakeev constantly considers you a "lesser being" it's so satisfying to have him at your mercy in the end, after dismantling his operation and making him look like the ranting idiot who got lucky he is.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
It wouldn't matter for me since most of my Romulan original crew were replaced by hot women, Tovan, Satra and Veril are the only ones that remains of them.
As for which arc is my favorite, I agree that the early Romulan stuff is best, closely followed by the Spectres arc and the AoY arc.
Hopefully, one day The Guardian of Forever will return, they keep saying it will, I just wish it was sooner rather than later.
Suspect they wanted to test the waters with Tovan first before committing fully as Veril's story seems kind of incomplete so I assume the original plan was that she would have been updated to same status as Tovan had that been popular and not one of the most hated things in STO.