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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,015 Arc User
    I just want that era of Starfleet vessel in the game, that's all.
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    • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
      I just want that era of Starfleet vessel in the game, that's all.
      The NX-01 is in game, as is the proposed upgrade for season 5 with the secondary hull. So is the Vulcan D'kyr-class cruiser. Remember that during ENT, "Starfleet" wasn't Starfleet yet - it was still the United Earth Space Probe Agency Star Fleet back then.
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    • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
      edited May 2023
      I wish they kept the old T1 skin design as an option (they did change it at some point), I actually liked the look of that version.
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    • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,800 Arc User
      I just want that era of Starfleet vessel in the game, that's all.

      There's 3 variants of Archer's Enterprise Already in game, the T1 NX Light Escort, The T6 NX Escort Refit and the T6 Legendary Columbia Temporal Operative Escort,

      https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/NX_class

      A Story Arc set in that era is what we really need, we need a satisfying conclusion to ENT season 4 because CBS's BS Riker's holodeck ending clearly wasn't it, not only did they have the gall to kill off Trip Tucker but they also had to rub dirt into it and insult fans by making it a holodeck simulation, I still need the Earth-Romulan war that was promised, I'm never going shut up about it either, having The Earth-Romulan war would've lead to a better conclusion and it wouldn't had gotten ENT cancelled.
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    • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,015 Arc User
      I just want that era of Starfleet vessel in the game, that's all.

      There's 3 variants of Archer's Enterprise Already in game, the T1 NX Light Escort, The T6 NX Escort Refit and the T6 Legendary Columbia Temporal Operative Escort,

      https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/NX_class

      A Story Arc set in that era is what we really need, we need a satisfying conclusion to ENT season 4 because CBS's BS Riker's holodeck ending clearly wasn't it, not only did they have the gall to kill off Trip Tucker but they also had to rub dirt into it and insult fans by making it a holodeck simulation, I still need the Earth-Romulan war that was promised, I'm never going shut up about it either, having The Earth-Romulan war would've lead to a better conclusion and it wouldn't had gotten ENT cancelled.

      The other Human ships like the Intrepid type and Warp Delta
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      • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,838 Arc User
        edited May 2023
        I just want that era of Starfleet vessel in the game, that's all.

        There's 3 variants of Archer's Enterprise Already in game, the T1 NX Light Escort, The T6 NX Escort Refit and the T6 Legendary Columbia Temporal Operative Escort,

        https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/NX_class

        A Story Arc set in that era is what we really need, we need a satisfying conclusion to ENT season 4 because CBS's BS Riker's holodeck ending clearly wasn't it, not only did they have the gall to kill off Trip Tucker but they also had to rub dirt into it and insult fans by making it a holodeck simulation, I still need the Earth-Romulan war that was promised, I'm never going shut up about it either, having The Earth-Romulan war would've lead to a better conclusion and it wouldn't had gotten ENT cancelled.

        The holodeck ending was because Moonves wanted the series killed without any hope of continuing it whatsoever (he hates Trek). Doing it as a holodeck episode circumvented the order while still complying with it on the surface since it was not the "live" events themselves and would be easy to overturn since (if they could get the cancellation overturned) it is "just the official cover story, not the 'reality' of the events". They even had the actors act a bit strange as a hint that it wasn't really what it looked like and that someone in an intelligence office somewhere just made things up.
      • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,372 Arc User
        I just want that era of Starfleet vessel in the game, that's all.

        There's 3 variants of Archer's Enterprise Already in game, the T1 NX Light Escort, The T6 NX Escort Refit and the T6 Legendary Columbia Temporal Operative Escort,

        https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/NX_class

        A Story Arc set in that era is what we really need, we need a satisfying conclusion to ENT season 4 because CBS's BS Riker's holodeck ending clearly wasn't it, not only did they have the gall to kill off Trip Tucker but they also had to rub dirt into it and insult fans by making it a holodeck simulation, I still need the Earth-Romulan war that was promised, I'm never going shut up about it either, having The Earth-Romulan war would've lead to a better conclusion and it wouldn't had gotten ENT cancelled.

        The holodeck ending was because Moonves wanted the series killed without any hope of continuing it whatsoever (he hates Trek). Doing it as a holodeck episode circumvented the order while still complying with it on the surface since it was not the "live" events themselves and would be easy to overturn since (if they could get the cancellation overturned) it is "just the official cover story, not the 'reality' of the events". They even had the actors act a bit strange as a hint that it wasn't really what it looked like and that someone in an intelligence office somewhere just made things up.

        Honestly it doesn't even have to be "official cover story" but rather a case of the details getting lost due there being 200 or so years between the events, sure if one went on obsessive archive binge they might find out a more accurate story but for most people they details of the story had gotten murky due to repeated retellings and what not.

        In essence what Riker is watching/reliving is the movie version of the events made years after the events, most likely after everyone involved had already passed on due to various reasons.
      • bartsmitbartsmit Member Posts: 9 Arc User
        You can be a TOS or Disco time traveller. For everyone else, the Disco missions are holodeck sims. Doing something similar for Ent seems appropriate. Eh, I wanted to explain why 'it doesn't make sense' isn't much of an issue, but it turned out into a rant, of sorts. I'll leave it where it is, but no need to read it.

        Frankly, I'd like that. I Thoroughly liked the missions set in the Disco Era; whereas I expected it to be the worst because of the Disco tv show. You have ships and guns, they have ships and guns - no ultra weird mumbo jumbo and a little personal story. Those few lines between the TRIBBLE Discouple had more character depth than all one of the legacy cast combined. Everyone is just shouting Honor and Qapla constantly, reminding you who they are or telling you where to press F next. The Ferengi have their moment to shine, but that's it. Disco Era missions were good.

        Everything that followed that, on the other hand? God no. Going to Klingon Hell - multiple times if you're a Klingon, river Styx and fire breathing Targs and all the while beaming in security escorts and doing orbital strikes. Emperor Wheatons ship that would be just a tad too much for WH40K, and the ludicrous unending super-gamey ground missions that are just a pain solo.

        I don't know. I just like the grounded-in-established-reality stories better. I don't need galaxy-wide stakes and huge fleet battles and screens-filled-with-weird colors all the time. There;s enough of that. Just let me board an Orion Freighter, chase down a Nausicaan warlord, explore Andorian ice mines, Hijack a Breen dreadnought, overthrow a Coup on Cardassia, traverse the Forge in search of something highly logical.
      • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,800 Arc User
        bartsmit wrote: »
        You can be a TOS or Disco time traveller. For everyone else, the Disco missions are holodeck sims. Doing something similar for Ent seems appropriate. Eh, I wanted to explain why 'it doesn't make sense' isn't much of an issue, but it turned out into a rant, of sorts. I'll leave it where it is, but no need to read it.

        Frankly, I'd like that. I Thoroughly liked the missions set in the Disco Era; whereas I expected it to be the worst because of the Disco tv show. You have ships and guns, they have ships and guns - no ultra weird mumbo jumbo and a little personal story. Those few lines between the TRIBBLE Discouple had more character depth than all one of the legacy cast combined. Everyone is just shouting Honor and Qapla constantly, reminding you who they are or telling you where to press F next. The Ferengi have their moment to shine, but that's it. Disco Era missions were good.

        Everything that followed that, on the other hand? God no. Going to Klingon Hell - multiple times if you're a Klingon, river Styx and fire breathing Targs and all the while beaming in security escorts and doing orbital strikes. Emperor Wheatons ship that would be just a tad too much for WH40K, and the ludicrous unending super-gamey ground missions that are just a pain solo.

        I don't know. I just like the grounded-in-established-reality stories better. I don't need galaxy-wide stakes and huge fleet battles and screens-filled-with-weird colors all the time. There;s enough of that. Just let me board an Orion Freighter, chase down a Nausicaan warlord, explore Andorian ice mines, Hijack a Breen dreadnought, overthrow a Coup on Cardassia, traverse the Forge in search of something highly logical.

        Issue with the Disco Holomissions is that wouldn't a TOS Captain live through those events or at least heard if them, TOS takes place 10 years after Discovery, in STO TOS captains are from 2270s which gives them a 11 year difference from Discovery captains who come from the year 2259,

        Using time travel math if 2409 (STO) is set 150 years after Discovery, then if we remove 11 years (TOS) from 150 (Disco) we'll get 139 years for TOS captains, now if we apply that math to ENT, ENT Time Travellers would have to travel 259 years to get to 2409 (STO),

        without time travel an average Vulcan can live up to 200 years, if one managed to survive pass that extra 59 years they'll be able to retire by time the Vega colony gets attacked.
      • bartsmitbartsmit Member Posts: 9 Arc User
        Or they could attempt to save a planet, fail, get sucked into a black hole -travel back to the TOS era, but change the timeline forever, but in this case creating a whole new timeline where ships an crew are pretty but ludicrously big so they can have a brewery on board. Your point?
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      • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,582 Community Moderator
        OR... and just hear me out guys...

        We find the NX-02 Columbia crashed somewhere in Gamma Quadrant in the 25th Century with Captain Hernandez in stasis or something, and we try and figure out WHAT happened for her to get out that far. Maybe Loriss contacts Starfleet as a show of good faith between the Dominion and the Federation, reporting the location of what appears to be a Federation starship, but doesn't recognize the design. Could lead into either a new enemy or an old one.

        There are ways to get Enterprise content without resorting to Time Travel.
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      • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
        rattler2 wrote: »
        OR... and just hear me out guys...

        We find the NX-02 Columbia crashed somewhere in Gamma Quadrant in the 25th Century with Captain Hernandez in stasis or something, and we try and figure out WHAT happened for her to get out that far. Maybe Loriss contacts Starfleet as a show of good faith between the Dominion and the Federation, reporting the location of what appears to be a Federation starship, but doesn't recognize the design. Could lead into either a new enemy or an old one.

        There are ways to get Enterprise content without resorting to Time Travel.

        Or a Holodeck or other simulation; or a Cryopod at Daystrom Annex with a frozen Trip Tucker... ;)
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      • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
        edited May 2023
        And now we're getting news about the update next week, and Temporal Shenanigans(tm) might be coming to an end. :smile: So any addition of stuff from ENT will have to be without time travel, thank the Prophets.
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      • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,788 Arc User
        jonsills wrote: »
        The NX-01 is in game, as is the proposed upgrade for season 5 with the secondary hull.


        Not just proposed any longer. The NX-01 Refit is seen in Picard's finale Season. It was docked at the Fleet Museum.
      • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,800 Arc User
        valoreah wrote: »
        rattler2 wrote: »
        OR... and just hear me out guys...

        We find the NX-02 Columbia crashed somewhere in Gamma Quadrant in the 25th Century with Captain Hernandez in stasis or something, and we try and figure out WHAT happened for her to get out that far. Maybe Loriss contacts Starfleet as a show of good faith between the Dominion and the Federation, reporting the location of what appears to be a Federation starship, but doesn't recognize the design. Could lead into either a new enemy or an old one.

        There are ways to get Enterprise content without resorting to Time Travel.

        You have mentioned this before in similar threads and I think it is a great idea. I am also not sure why the default thinking has to be any Enterprise content must be due to time travel. There are any number of creative ways to incorporate it into the "present day" of STO.

        Like clones?

        It worked pretty well for Peter Parker with all things considered, the Clone Saga gave us Kaine, the Scarlet Spider and Spidercide, all 3 clones were unique, if you ignore the whole identity crisis stuff involving the clone confusion, the rest of that storyline is pretty good.
      • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,838 Arc User
        valoreah wrote: »
        Using time travel math if 2409 (STO) is set 150 years after Discovery, then if we remove 11 years (TOS) from 150 (Disco) we'll get 139 years for TOS captains, now if we apply that math to ENT, ENT Time Travellers would have to travel 259 years to get to 2409 (STO),

        So what? The TNG crew traveled back to 1893. Kirk and Spock went back in time to 1930. The length of time is meaningless.

        More than that, at the start of the TAS episode Yesteryear the landing party had just come back from visiting the dawn of the Orion civilization. While they didn't give a specific date or number of centuries ago that was, the fact that the peak of Orion civilization (before they fell into the dark ages they are still mired in) was about a millennium ago according to dialog in TOS (and TNG too iirc).
      • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
        jonsills wrote: »
        And now we're getting news about the update next week, and Temporal Shenanigans(tm) might be coming to an end. :smile: So any addition of stuff from ENT will have to be without time travel, thank the Prophets.

        No, I think the Devs saw the writing on the wall and are (with this plotline) embracing the fact that STO (once very much considered Prime Univese 'soft canon' by Paramount in the days there was no televised Star Trek, and the films that were continuing the franchise at the time took place in a separate reality); but with a number of new streaming TV projects firmly creating new canon in the same general era at STO - that STO itself is now an alternate Star Trek reality from the Prime Universe, BUT (depending on how they do this storyline), STO will have a backstory as to how its Universe is a conglomeration of various Star Trek Franchise™ from various Star Trek Franchise timelines across various forms of media (be that films, books, licensed audio content, etc.)

        And given what this game is for fans, I'm perfectly okay with that and wonder what took them so long to finally come to this conclusion. ;)
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      • scorpwanna#3529 scorpwanna Member Posts: 227 Arc User
        edited May 2023
        valoreah wrote: »
        A Story Arc set in that era is what we really need, we need a satisfying conclusion to ENT season 4 because CBS's BS Riker's holodeck ending clearly wasn't it, not only did they have the gall to kill off Trip Tucker but they also had to rub dirt into it and insult fans by making it a holodeck simulation, I still need the Earth-Romulan war that was promised, I'm never going shut up about it either, having The Earth-Romulan war would've lead to a better conclusion and it wouldn't had gotten ENT cancelled.

        I second this. From what I gather listening to the Shuttlepod Show podcast and from various recent interviews with the production staff, they would love a chance to tell more Enterprise stories.

        I love Shuttlepod Show podcast. Yeah, Dominic Keating and Connor Trinneer often speak about a 5th season and wishing they could have at least done it out right for the fans (especially Connor wanting to see how Tripp could come back). They'd definitely say yes to lending their likenesses and voices. Even Jonathan Frakes mentioned how the holodeck ending for season 4 was pathetic.

        They've got the overview of how the story arc could go. I like rattler2's idea about the Columbia, throw in Admiral Quinn "We've recently discovered an NX class ship in the Gamma Quadrant which seems to have been damaged in a battle many years ago, yada yada..." He'll say something about the ship had thought to have been lost etc... You find the ship, revive the captain and manage to get the ship operational to a point. But THEN!!! An enemy claiming salvage rights or whatever reason shows up and you have no choice but to use the NX to defend yourself. After the battle, you ask the captain what happened and they go back in time via the captain's memories, but you get to play as a member of the crew or something. The NX-01 Enterprise rendezvous with the Columbia for a new weapons system refit. So you see Tripp and Malcolm have taken a "Shuttlepod" from Enterprise and have come aboard he Columbia to install new phase cannon weapon systems (or something new). When suddenly, both ships are attacked by romulans (which faces you don't see). The ships get separated during the battle, Tripp and Malcolm are still on board the Columbia, the weapon system is updated, big bam boom, the ships meet back up, Tripp and Malcolm head back to the Enterprise and both ships part ways....WHEN SUDDENLY,,..a hidden Romulan ship having been destabilized during battle decloaks and it's experimental singularity warp drive malfunctions and the Columbia is caught in the wake knocking out the power systems and the ship vanishes. Cutscene of the crew making due with what they can because they are in an uncharted quadrant, their trip back to Earth has taken a toll, crud stasis pods are created to preserve what little crew are left. Etc...
      • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,800 Arc User
        They've got the overview of how the story arc could go. I like rattler2's idea about the Columbia, throw in Admiral Quinn "We've recently discovered an NX class ship in the Gamma Quadrant which seems to have been damaged in a battle many years ago, yada yada..." He'll say something about the ship had thought to have been lost etc... You find the ship, revive the captain and manage to get the ship operational to a point. But THEN!!! An enemy claiming salvage rights or whatever reason shows up

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      • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,923 Arc User
        edited May 2023
        Enterprise was doomed to cancellation, not because it was a bad show, but because of the demographic. Stop to think about the other shows on UPN, mostly low brow sitcoms like everyone hates chris and reality TV like the next top model. neither of those demographics exactly port over to Star Trek demographics.

        What I would like to see is an arc where you either are an officer on Enterprise, or a captain of another warp 5 ship, and you do several missions alongside Enterprise, or as mentioned, with one of the actors joining your crew for a bit. the risky part would be locking you into a predetermined ship, either an NX class or an updated delta warp, or a new cryptic design. no intel, command or any other spec. maybe base it on a T5. Ideally, not even the ability to port over fancy DPS boosters like Domino.

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      • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,800 Arc User
        Enterprise was doomed to cancellation, not because it was a bad show, but because of the demographic. Stop to think about the other shows on UPN, mostly low brow sitcoms like everyone hates chris and reality TV like the next top model. neither of those demographics exactly port over to Star Trek demographics.

        What I would like to see is an arc where you either are an officer on Enterprise, or a captain of another warp 5 ship, and you do several missions alongside Enterprise, or as mentioned, with one of the actors joining your crew for a bit. the risky part would be locking you into a predetermined ship, either an NX class or an updated delta warp, or a new cryptic design. no intel, command or any other spec. maybe base it on a T5. Ideally, not even the ability to port over fancy DPS boosters like Domino.

        Hmm... it was on the wrong channel, I watched it on Netflix, Enterprise should've been on same channel as the other Star Treks.
      • paradox#7391 paradox Member Posts: 1,800 Arc User
        jonsills wrote: »
        And now we're getting news about the update next week, and Temporal Shenanigans(tm) might be coming to an end. :smile: So any addition of stuff from ENT will have to be without time travel, thank the Prophets.

        While I think we should have more Temporal Shenanigans(tm), We definitely need more Crossfaction TOS missions, as well as an ENT mission where we interact with Archer and the crew.
      • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,923 Arc User

        Enterprise was doomed to cancellation, not because it was a bad show, but because of the demographic. Stop to think about the other shows on UPN, mostly low brow sitcoms like everyone hates chris and reality TV like the next top model. neither of those demographics exactly port over to Star Trek demographics.

        What I would like to see is an arc where you either are an officer on Enterprise, or a captain of another warp 5 ship, and you do several missions alongside Enterprise, or as mentioned, with one of the actors joining your crew for a bit. the risky part would be locking you into a predetermined ship, either an NX class or an updated delta warp, or a new cryptic design. no intel, command or any other spec. maybe base it on a T5. Ideally, not even the ability to port over fancy DPS boosters like Domino.

        Hmm... it was on the wrong channel, I watched it on Netflix, Enterprise should've been on same channel as the other Star Treks.

        nope, TOS was Peacock (NBC), TNG and DS9 were released in syndication. Voyager was the flagship of UPN, in fact the only show from the first year to continue. even Voayger had problems toward the end of it's run with viewers as the silly sitcoms and reality shows were taking over UPN. many of those shows were Fox rejects that UPN picked up. enterprise was too erebral and cost far too much for the dying UPN to continue to air
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