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Why is there no Legendary Bortasqu' yet?
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I would love to see a legendary Bortasqu'.
The KDF is the only faction without a legendary flagship.
Already got a legendary Scimitar and other legendary Romulan ships, multiple Legendary fed flagships and others, but no legendary KDF flagship yet.
Something like a 5/3 weapon layout, battle cloaking, 2-bay carrier class would definitely be something I'd GLADLY PAY for.
And it has been long enough without any new KDF ships. What is it now, 2 YEARS without a new KDF ship?
We were supposed to have a "Year Of Klingons" and didn't get a single new KDF ship in that whole year.
I understand most people play the fed side, but there are still people, like me, that are "tapped out" on the fed side content and want new content on the KDF side.
Devs need to show some love for the Klingon ships for a change.
The KDF is the only faction without a legendary flagship.
Already got a legendary Scimitar and other legendary Romulan ships, multiple Legendary fed flagships and others, but no legendary KDF flagship yet.
Something like a 5/3 weapon layout, battle cloaking, 2-bay carrier class would definitely be something I'd GLADLY PAY for.
And it has been long enough without any new KDF ships. What is it now, 2 YEARS without a new KDF ship?
We were supposed to have a "Year Of Klingons" and didn't get a single new KDF ship in that whole year.
I understand most people play the fed side, but there are still people, like me, that are "tapped out" on the fed side content and want new content on the KDF side.
Devs need to show some love for the Klingon ships for a change.
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I think the main thing holding back the Bort is that it isn't canon. The only other Legendary that wasn't canon, well until recently, was the Odyssey.
For the record I do agree that there should be a Legend Bort because of her status as Flagship, to complete the Flagship Trinity.
I'm going to disagree on that, carriers were originally a kdf only thing so the flagship being one is suitable.
personally I say take the martok, add two hanger bay, with updated b'rel pets, and the MW stuff. call it a MW flightdeck flagship or something like that. throw in a two pack with a command Negh'Var Juggernaut. with passable traits and the cross faction unlock as part of the filler no one cares about it should sell well.
actually now that I think about it would probably be the only thing that could get me out out my d7 carrier. also be a excuse to revisit all the flagship consoles for an update/balance pass/buff.
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Could split the difference and go Flight Deck Carrier rather than get hung up on full Carrier, especially since most full Carriers lose a weapon slot or two. By going FDC she can still have her full weapons loadout AND gain hanger slots.
Has the Vesta ever appeared onscreen? As you mentioned, it doesn't really hold water to include the Odyssey either because the Verity came out over 3 years before it made it onscreen.
In reality, the only reason there isn't a Legendary Bortasqu is the arbitrary decision to not make one.
On the subject of Legendary flagships though, I'd love to see a Legendary Command Bortasqu Dreadnought Cruiser and a Legendary Jem Hadar Vanguard Temporal Science Dreadnought(based on the JHDC chassis) bundled together.
Focus the Bortasqu around tanking with an extremely high hull. Perhaps a synergy trait where energy weapons and hull enhance each other - like weapon haste on hull heal and hull restoration on weapon mode activation.
JHV SciDread would be trading a hangar for Wingmen and a Secondary Deflector - it would be distinct from the existing carriers they have and I'd go for a SecDef JHV ship in a heartbeat. Give it a trait where Concentrate Firepower and Temporal Abilities order your fighters to ram the target; refresh hangar launch on successful fighter ram. Maybe include universal bugship pets that can be equipped on a single hangar(like Yukawa frigates).
The Vesta is an oddball but a WELL KNOWN one that is all but canon. Just like the Luna class was before we saw her in Lower Decks. Fan favorite. And the Odyssey was included as one of the original Legendaries because she held the position of Enterprise-F in game. So it felt right to include her because of Enterprise status.
I'd refrain from assuming anything about why we don't have one. That tends to go down some rather negative roads that pull out the flamethrowers.
As for the Legendary Jem'Hadar Dread... I could see that too. Admittedly though the biggest hurdle is that there's only two variants, the T5 and T6, and lately most Legendaries have had more variants to work with than that. Still... its doable, as the Legendary Bugship didn't have as many as the Vesta, D'Deridex, or D7.
Also that reasoning for no new KDF ships hurts. "Poor sales." It also skews metrics if there's nothing to buy. >_>
Maybe if they didn't make it so poor it would have sold better, but that was the point wasn't it? Multiple times they make bad ships that sell poorly and use it as a excuse to not make more
They make it the slowest fattest battlecruier which was about on par with the Odyssey, give it two consoles...one to make the either somewhat viable on the whale of a ship, could have been handled a lot better...but boy did they make some clunkers of Fed ships and it never stopped them from making more
it could but the releasing so few ship and only unimpressive ships is why sales are so poor... goes double for legendary/promo/lockbox/whatever. not even the first time they've done this nonsense.
well, yes that is why I made sure to describe it and say flight deck in that post. I've been around long enough to know you have to do that.
and just friendly reminder for cryptic all two hanger carriers are full carriers. calling science carriers full carriers is fandom term and a hold over from when only science carriers got two hangers. don't need any devs reading this thread to get confused... now that I think about it we really need a cryptic term list, so we can make sure we are saying things in a way the devs will understand.
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A Legendary Bortasqu is much more bang for the buck(read: more financially tempting) with it's 6 variants to draw from in a unified tank-carrier platform befitting a Flagship - that is both distinct from the other legendary flagships and thematic for its role ingame. Dreadnought Cruiser(Lexington, Chronos, etc.) or Dreadnought Carrier(Acheron, Tzen-Tar, etc.) would likely be the ideal classifications for the ship.
If that's still not financially feasible: give it a proper, non-conditional, BFAW Extender starship trait and it will sell like hotcakes.
Before that there needs to be the Legendary Negh'Var. Also they said KDF ships don't sell that well but yet made a Mudd Package with Event Ships in it...
Legendary Miracle Worker Bortasqu' Dreadnought Carrier
Hull: 1.6
Shields: 1.1
Turn: 5
Impulse: 0.15
Inertia: 20
+15 Weapons Power
+15 Shield Power
Seats: LtCmdr Tac, Cmdr Eng/MW, Lt Sci/CMD, LtCmdr Uni, En Uni
Weapons: 4/3
Devices: 4
Consoles: 5Tac, 4Eng, 2Sci, 1Uni
Hangars: 2
Battlecloak
Innovation Effects
Starship Trait: Staggering Firepower
Beams: Fire At Will's duration is extended to 15 seconds.
While Threatening Stance is active: BFAW reduces enemy outgoing damage by 15% on hit for 10 seconds.
Hanger Pets: Kortar Raptor Gunships (Elite)
2x dual disruptor cannons (2x quad disruptor cannons)
2x disruptor turrets
Cannons: Rapid Fire
Subspace Boom
Lock Trajectory - 4s duration
(Hold Together)
(Attack Pattern Alpha)
(Mirror Coalition/Legendary) Negh'var Intel Juggernaut
(Visual style based on the Qib)
Hull: 1.4
Shields: 1.1
Turn: 8
Impulse: 0.15
Inertia: 30
+10 Weapons Power
+5 Shield Power
+5 Engine Power
Seats: Cmdr Tac/INT, LtCmdr Eng, lt Sci/TEMP, LtCmdr Uni, En Uni
Weapons: 5/3
Devices: 3
Consoles: 5Tac, 4Eng, 2Sci
Battlecloak
Active Sensor Arrays
Warp Signature Masking
Starship Trait: Deadly Insights
While Active Sensor Arrays is active: Grant +3% Bonus damage per second; stacks up to +30%. Stacks linger for 5s.
Universal Console: Active Obfuscation Armor
Passive: +10% Crit Severity, +30 Control Expertise
Active: for 15s, being struck grants +50 Stealth and +100 armor resistance for 10s; stacks up to 4 times.
2m cooldown
Juggernaut Array: Disruptor Siege Cannons
Charges up for 1 second before firing two projectiles at the target which explode, dealing heavy damage in a 3km radius and knocking enemy shields offline for 5 seconds.
45 degree forward firing arc
2m cooldown
(Cryptic is allowed to use these ideas in part or in full without me seeking legal compensation. blah blah, etc.)
I've seen the oddest contraptions fly around, but i do not recall ever seeing a Bortasqu.
Perhaps it's confirmation bias as I used to it fly it a lot at the time, but they felt about as common as the Vengeance currently does - back in pre-Legacy of Romulus days. That said, they mostly stuck to KDF space back then so you probably wouldn't see them very often if you stuck to the blue team(we had separate queues/instances back then as well). Probably the main gimmick the ship was that it was both the biggest ship in the game and the largest one to field 5 tactical consoles - despite not having a commander tac seat. The Scimitars ate into a lot of their playerbase from what I recall.
Personally, I eventually moved over to the Ty'gokor for T6(which I bought the whole set specifically to show support for KDF) and have been/will be in the Durgath for the forseeable future now with that captain. It'd take something special, like the above proposals, to get me out of that ship.
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Wasn't impressed with the event version myself. Although now I can probably make a pretty decent build with her.
basically no, the Bortasqu looks alright at first but thats full of the exact kinds of nerfs that keep costing cryptic sells and causing backlash. the Negh'var has the same problem and isn't the spec most people seem to want. granted that probably means your close to what they would do. but for once I'ld like all of us including cryptic to get a win. I mean these be fine even good for something else but not this.
no, it wasn't. mostly cause cryptic in a annoyingly common problem decided to not make what people want. I swear I would literally sit down on a live steam with whoever is in charge of this and go over it step by step so that they get it right, and I don't even like these ships.
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