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Issues with the Legendary First Strike Bundle contents and stats and possible missing quad plasma.
neok182
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To be clear this is not a complaining post but pointing out some discrepancies between the last two ship legendary bundle and this one. Kael told us flat out on stream that sometimes they just forget things and for our new systems designer Jonathan these are his first legendary ships and he's only been making ships for a short time so right now willing to give the benefit of the doubt and simply bring up these discrepancies and see what's what.
Overall Issues
There has only been one other two ship legendary bundle and the contents of that one compared to this one are incredibly similar: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11493553
Here is the new pack: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11541403
Luckily the T6 coupon is included but there are two other pretty major differences.
First, the last one included PROMO doff packs whereas the new one includes standard. Second the new one is only 30% off vs 35% with the last one at launch. However the new bundle does include a 3rd ship upgrade token and some new gear so that may be their reasoning for the 30% vs 35%.
Legendary Akira Stats
The ship is called a Multi-Mission Command Cruiser. There are 2(plus one fleet) other Multi-Mission cruisers in game and all have 4 device slots yet the Akira has only 2. Those other ships have the same 8 weapons, 1 hangar bay. The akira does have a much faster turn rate but that seems a weird reason to knock off 2 device slots when it's normal for cruisers to have 3+ slots. In fact I don't know of a cruiser with less than 3 device slots. I'm assuming that this is a leftover stat from when it was originally classified as a strike wing escort per the leak. Even the Legendary Valdore has 3 device slots so the Akira having two just makes no sense other than it being left over from the Alita when it was an escort.
Aside from that everything else looks fine. I believe there was a typo earlier but the stats match what was said on the stream now.
Legendary Valdore and Quad Plasma Cannons
Players asked in the chat for the Legendary Valdore to include the Quad Plasma Cannons and Jonathan said he would look into it and see if there was anything stopping that. As they are not in the blog it would be nice to get an answer as to if that's intentional or if maybe they just got forgotten.
Quad Plasma Cannons come with the Ar'Kala and not the Mogai family so this might have been intentional. That being said given that the Ar'Kala is a dil ship now this would be a great way to have them as an account unlock since the Ar'Kala can no longer be purchased that way.
Overall Issues
There has only been one other two ship legendary bundle and the contents of that one compared to this one are incredibly similar: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11493553
Here is the new pack: https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11541403
Luckily the T6 coupon is included but there are two other pretty major differences.
First, the last one included PROMO doff packs whereas the new one includes standard. Second the new one is only 30% off vs 35% with the last one at launch. However the new bundle does include a 3rd ship upgrade token and some new gear so that may be their reasoning for the 30% vs 35%.
Legendary Akira Stats
The ship is called a Multi-Mission Command Cruiser. There are 2(plus one fleet) other Multi-Mission cruisers in game and all have 4 device slots yet the Akira has only 2. Those other ships have the same 8 weapons, 1 hangar bay. The akira does have a much faster turn rate but that seems a weird reason to knock off 2 device slots when it's normal for cruisers to have 3+ slots. In fact I don't know of a cruiser with less than 3 device slots. I'm assuming that this is a leftover stat from when it was originally classified as a strike wing escort per the leak. Even the Legendary Valdore has 3 device slots so the Akira having two just makes no sense other than it being left over from the Alita when it was an escort.
Aside from that everything else looks fine. I believe there was a typo earlier but the stats match what was said on the stream now.
Legendary Valdore and Quad Plasma Cannons
Players asked in the chat for the Legendary Valdore to include the Quad Plasma Cannons and Jonathan said he would look into it and see if there was anything stopping that. As they are not in the blog it would be nice to get an answer as to if that's intentional or if maybe they just got forgotten.
Quad Plasma Cannons come with the Ar'Kala and not the Mogai family so this might have been intentional. That being said given that the Ar'Kala is a dil ship now this would be a great way to have them as an account unlock since the Ar'Kala can no longer be purchased that way.
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1) He appreciates you! Seriously, he did tell me to say that.
2) You're right about the device slots, he's going to look at adding more.
3) The only Quad Plasma Cannon he could find was a set item, so it wasn't really appropriate to add to the ship.
Thanks for the reply Kael and I appreciate him too I've been very happy with his ships so far. Glad to hear about the device slots. That does make sense but something to keep in mind that the Quad Plasma Cannons have no account unlock that anyone can buy now because the ship they came with is no longer sold in the store but just a dil ship as a single character unlock. That's basically the reason why people were asking them to be added here. I don't think where really matters it's just that people would like to be able to get an account unlock for them since the only people that do are ones who bought the original cstore Ar'Kala.
I know you can't speak about the pricing and promos and that but I do hope some looks are put towards that. Thanks again for the reply!
Quads belong to the Ar'kif line. Asking for them on the Mogai is like asking to include Quad Phasers on a Gagarin or Quad Disruptors on a D7. With how much the Legendary Valdore already 'steals' from the Ar'kif line already, asking for the quads on top of that is just a giant middle finger to folks who like the Ar'kif line, like myself. (It's honestly everything the Ar'kif SHOULD be - a lighter, almost raider-like forward attack ship with a hangar. The Legendary Mogai should have been closer to a hangarless battlecruiser/destroyer than the paper escort/raider it came out as.)
I'd much rather see an account unlock for the plasma quads come from a new version of the Ar'kif than be crammed onto a ship that shouldn't have them.
On the "3) The only Quad Plasma Cannon he could find was a set item, so it wasn't really appropriate to add to the ship."
The Adamant from the 12th Anni bundle included the Agony Phaser Quad cannons, as a stand alone item; which are part of a three piece set. Though not a legendary ship.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Terran_Adamant_Heavy_Raider
The Legendary Kelvin Timeline Constitution, has a console - Auxiliary Ejection Assembly, which is part of a set of 4 consoles, each of which comes from a different ship. Therefore there is predicant for a single item from a set to be on a Legendary ship.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Legendary_Kelvin_Constitution_Intel_Battlecruiser
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Alternate_Timeline_Set#Console_-_Universal_-_Auxiliary_Ejection_Assembly
The Polaron Quad cannons, are not part of a set (standalone), but were created, as far as I'm aware, as a brand new variant of the Quad cannons for an addition to the Legendary Jem'Hadar attack ship.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Legendary_Jem'Hadar_Vanguard_Pilot_Attack_Ship
Whether or not to pull the plasma quad cannons across from the "Tactical Warbird" line of ships, to the "Valdore" line, to provide a source of account unlock plasma quad cannons (which as of the change to T1-4 ships being dilithium and not zen obtainable). Well I guess that depends on how you balance the factors outlined above & that the plasma quad cannons would be a welcome addition to a Legendary bundle - that comes with various "extras" to the ships themselves.
On the "3) The only Quad Plasma Cannon he could find was a set item, so it wasn't really appropriate to add to the ship."
The Adamant from the 12th Anni bundle included the Agony Phaser Quad cannons, as a stand alone item; which are part of a three piece set. Though not a legendary ship.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Terran_Adamant_Heavy_Raider
The Legendary Kelvin Timeline Constitution, has a console - Auxiliary Ejection Assembly, which is part of a set of 4 consoles, each of which comes from a different ship. Therefore there is predicant for a single item from a set to be on a Legendary ship.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Legendary_Kelvin_Constitution_Intel_Battlecruiser
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Alternate_Timeline_Set#Console_-_Universal_-_Auxiliary_Ejection_Assembly
The Polaron Quad cannons, are not part of a set (standalone), but were created, as far as I'm aware, as a brand new variant of the Quad cannons for an addition to the Legendary Jem'Hadar attack ship from prior versions of the attack ships/ Bug ships.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Legendary_Jem'Hadar_Vanguard_Pilot_Attack_Ship
Whether or not to pull the plasma quad cannons across from the "Tactical Warbird" line of ships, to the "Valdore" line, to provide a source of account unlock plasma quad cannons (which as of the change to T1-4 ships being dilithium and not zen obtainable). I guess that depends on how you balance the factors outlined above & that the plasma quad cannons would be a welcome addition to a Legendary bundle - that comes with various "extras" to the ships themselves.
The Adamant is a Defiant variant, which had the various set pieces of the Stealth Fighter Set, so it made sense for a terran version of the quad cannons.
The Legendary ships come with every skin, consoles and trait of the original ship(s) had so the Legendary Kelvin Timeline Constitution comes with the Auxiliary Ejection Assembly made sense, however it did not come with the other consoles of the set because the Kelvin Timeline Heavy Command Cruiser did not come with it.
As the Plasma Quad Cannons were never attached to any Mogai variants, they are not included on the Legendary Mogai. While Mogais can use them, they came off an Ar'kiff variant, which is a completely unrelated ship to the Mogai.
Then it would lose its experimental weapon slot. It's a tac ship not a cruiser.
Correct, the reason why people were asking for them during the stream is because thanks to the cstore to dil ship conversion there is currently no possible way to get an account unlock of plasma quad cannons and since non-fed store ships are practically retired at this point the chances for getting a new account unlock version of them are very slim since that would require a new version of the Ar'Kiff and the chances of that are essentially zero.
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No they don't. Quads have the highest DPS of any normal energy weapon, including Heavy. They do not have a different upgrade track, it's the exact same improvement for every weapon.
Additionally, the Disruptor Quads are NOT from the B'rel family of BoP's either. They came from the Norgh BoP, which is not one of the Skins included with the L-BoP (and before someone says all BoP's are created equal even without Barbie, then why didn't the L-BoP include Strike from the Shadows and the console from the M'Chla?)..
I get the argument that its not from the Mogai Family, really, I do.. But we are NEVER going to get a Legendary Ar'kala. We all know that. Its also very unlikely we are going to get a Ships of the Line bundle for the Ar'kala, cause Thomas did most of that on his own time, AND Thomas only did Fed ships.. Now he has even more work having been promoted..
So here we are, with only one faction, that does not have *any* way of getting access to this Weapon account wide. The ship isn't in any of the pre-T6 bundles. Its only available for Dil. So it punishes everyone who was not around for/didn't buy the Ar'kala when it was available in the cstore. 150,000 Dil is a LOT of dil for one character bound weapon that you then still need to upgrade.
Come on Cryptic, give us a bone here.. You even made an all new Polaron Quad just for the Legendary Bugship so that all the factions would have access to Quads in their racial flavor.. Level the playing field. Plasma already is handycapped enough by not having a Plasma mission set.. No mission or Rep Omni set, and it doesn't have really good Rep weapons like Disco DBB or Terran DHC/Array.. The L-Excel and the L-BoP have already laid that groundwork for including something that "technically" probably shouldn't be, but at the same time should be cause its fits.