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fleetcaptain5
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"With the upcoming return of the Phoenix Prize Pack Event, we are excited to unveil a number of changes and updates to both the prizes it will allow players to obtain, and the overall structure of the pack."
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11515903
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11515903
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Good too see new stuff is being added! I have already unlocked all of the new things, but for those who haven't, it's nice that these things are added.
I'm not sure about things from the C-store being added to the pack. On the one hand it may devalue those items a bit, on the other hand it's nice to have an option to get something on one toon at lower prices if you're only interested in having it on one specific toon.
The better odds are nice, though I'm not sure it's a good thing that you now get fewer points from upgrades. so they were much better compared to other upgrades than intended? Does that really matter? I don't bother with other upgrades because I either have to buy them with EC (which I usually need more for other stuff than dilithium) or make them myselves, which is a boring process to go through.
It would have been better to make the other upgrades more interesting. Though I guess that should also be a part of a crafting revamp, to make creating stuff more interesting in general.
This is also a nice change, because it finally makes lower tier upgrades more valuable for a lot of players I suppose.
Hopefully they'll also put in character/elite upgrade tokens in there.
It is a nerf but then it isn't or just a minor nerf. The odds for higher tier phoenix token will be upped so that maybe you get more phoenix for your dillithium. What is a bit more painful I think is the experiment ship upgrade token however they do give you a chance to buy those with lower grade tokens now even though that may be quiet a few more.
I hope they thought this through and didn't halfassed it but experience from the past tell me a different story. Let's see how it works out.
I'm already crying about it, but I've been hoarding Unc - VR tokens and will convert them all into upgrades today.
That's it for additions? Not exactly a large nor exciting amount of 'new' stuff, particularly given the widening of of what is allowed to be added.
So, the Voth Dreadnought will be effectively unobtainable now?
Oof. Anyone that was saving back Ultra-Rare Tokens (to get a Voth Dreadnought or a Jem Escort to unlock hangar pets on a new toon) got the short end of the stick. That *was* a premium prize tier that was very hard to get a hold of, and now it's effectively crunched down to 2x of what was Very Rare.
(rest stays the same for new tokens, old keep tech points)
Both an annoying change and long overdue. Would've been handy back when crafting was relevant and I was crafting upgrades for trade. Probably still not enough to get crafted Upgrades lower than Experimental to be relevant.
I hope it does help the Dil economy at least somewhat, but I doubt it'll put it back to being below 500Dil/Zen on it's own.
On its own I don't see it doing that no. Its going to be one of many things that will have to work together. But hopefully what it will do is decrease the wait time on Zen orders at least. The more we get things that do that, eventually we will start getting below 500/1. But again its going to take many things working together to do that.
I think Borticus is wise enough to realize, that by not only reducing 1 level of doubling the downgrade process, and removing Uncommon tokens it will effectively greatly reduce the # of phoenix boxes we get by perhaps 50%. I mean we will see more Rare tokens now, and far more Very Rare (old Rare) and we may still get dozen's of the Ultra's now, yet the chance remains the same for Epic tokens. Also you only get 1 T6x upgrade not 2 from before so also a 50% reduction.
Most who purchased upgrades converted down from Very Rare at 2:1 for Rare, then 2:1 from Rare to Uncommon or 4:1 now that's reduced to mostly 2:1 (or 50%) less. As most (not all) will still only downgrade from Very Rare to Rare, so that's effective 50% less Upgrade tokens; while also slightly reducing the Tech Points contribution 38,400 (down from 51,200) currently. So that's 76,800 during 2x not 102,400 which is also 25% less Tech Points, if most choose to not downgrade Ultra's or far fewer.
Some may Convert Ultra down as a balancing force to the reduced tier; yet that only works if you don't need T6x upgrades, and ships are always being added. Also now you'll only get 1 rather than 2 like before, yet you'll also likely get more Ultra's now, yet will take 5 Ultra to get 1. Yet you can also buy T6x with Very Rare, or Rare too so may result in more T6x for some; but to do so you'll sacrifice Phoenix Upgrades if you decide that path.
This might actually be a WISE move on his part, yet like you I also don't think this will make as big as a difference without something else! We'll have to wait and see, similar to what others said.
Still I would have thought it wiser, to rethink expanding Tier III Holdings out to IV one every year or two; as that could be done far easier, without major map updates other than a few visual refreshments. It also could be done over 10+ years as balancing force, while also expanding options to buy at Tier IV Holdings as well.
Exactly right now a typical open for upgrades might be something like 6 greens. 3 blues and 1 purple. So 16 upgrades... and going forward we will have to see but I doubt Ultra rare are going to drop often if you open 10. So say you get 7 blues and 3 purples.... now you get 13 upgrades that are not as good.
I'm guessing on numbers but unless purples pop as often as blues its going to be a reduction in the total number of upgrades you get for sure.
PS to be clear I am on board with a nerf bat for Phoenix. They where always way too good. Crafted upgrades ? No one has used those other then new players who don't know any better for a long time. It was time for the nerf bat. But I agree it won't just be the reduction in effect... their cost in Dill looks like its going up... even at 50/50 blue to purple the old 3 stage break down to green turned out more.
You got my first post, before I added some quotes from others to reply.
Still while the thread seems to imply, we may see more higher quality upgrades. I don't see the Epic's drop chance improving that much if at all.
Note: The stream did confirm Epic tokens have slightly increased drop chance.
His statement we'll see higher quality tokens, refers mostly to the Rare, and Very Rare, yet also Ultra's too. Still with 5 Ultra's to get 1 T6x is likely an improvement for new players, given you'll have more options to get them. Still they'll have to decide to not downgrade Ultra's to make up for the missing Tier. So sometimes with result in 50% less Phoenix Upgrades if you need T6x.
The idea of upgrading Fleet Tier III Holdings to Tier IV, which was something I previously thought have a better influence on the DZE. Regardless it about everyone making difficult choices, to help the DZE. Still some will donate DIL to Fleet Projects, especially if Tier IV holdings offer something new and exciting!
So I can only hope Borticus is correct, and results in a better overall Long Term effect for the DZE.
First off, the cost for a T6X Token is now going to be 10x more than before. Whereas, it used to be 2 T6X for a UR Token it will now be 10 URs for them. From 1332 Zen for a UR Tokens to 133 Zen. This is based upon the three-pack of 2000 Zen. Do with that what you will.
Now, from Mudd's Bundles we know that 2 Tier 6 100% off Tokens are the same as 1 Epic Phoenix Prize Token and 9 T6X Tokens . So 6,000 Zen for the two ship Tokens, or the 9 T6X Tokens (3 × 3 2000 Zen Bundles). This provides the equivalent of 6000 Zen for the Epic Phoenix Tokens.
So the Token equivalents for a potential upgrade between Tokens Tiers 5o a higher level Token could be:
5 Rare = 1 Very Rare
4 Very Rare = 1 UR
45 UR = 1 Epic
6.66 Zen per Rare, 33.3 per VR, 133.2 per UR, and 6000 per Epiv.
You can apply 500 Dilitium per Zen for the time being if you want to convert there.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Alongside these new additions to the box, as well as additional evaluations we have made regarding the Phoenix Prize Pack’s economic impact and intended valuations, we will be increasing the odds of receiving all prize tiers above the lowest available. Thus, the act of opening a Phoenix Prize Pack should feel more rewarding and exciting."
looks like pile of tribble TRIBBLE. what was odds b4 and what they will be now? numbers! show as numbers and then we can see price of yr marketing bla-bla-bla
anyway don't care much about odds to get something from top tab since they was so low. e.g. for 1 year of opening free and purchased boxs on few accounts i got 1(one) u/rare token. and you may guess absolutely correct that i got it not on my main acc))) at same time i got few t6 infinity box ships.
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Phoenix Tech Upgrades
Tech Points contribution 38,400 (down from 51,200)
b4 this nerf i used to buy phoenix boxs for upgrades, now i guess is not an option. still could be useful if item upgrade was only about tech points, but since there is also chances involved even after you get to XV, just no. not going to buy this box at all.
Current Phoenix upgrades will remain unchanged... with a name change to legacy Phoenix upgrade.
Only newly earned tokens will have the new numbers.
Kobali isn't going anywhere. It will still be in the ultra tier. They are adding the T'pau to the gold tier that is the only change for gold. They claim the drop rate will be better but we'll have to wait and see on that.
The ships removed are the very old T5 lockbox ships in the Ultra Rare category right now. Pretty much all those ships are long since outdated. Some people did still buy the Jem for hanger pet unlocks IF they didn't already own a Jem bug. I guess some may have also bought the voth ship to complete console sets on other voth sets... BUT it was the T5 version of the console and I don't think many people really play Voth ships anyway. The T5 UR rewards where really unsold for the most part.
They plan or hope, this will also make Superior, or Experimental more Viable upgrade path as well; so this changes encourages helping the DZE economy as well. We may also see updates to Phoenix every 6 months or so, and some previous items in Mudd's may also appear in Phoenix but as Per Character unlock as well. Those who purchased Account-Unlocks would still however have them. This is just a new way for people to expand options for their Character, but those additions may be 6-7 more months out.
Still I try to keep most thoughts to constructive, as I always do.
As of tomorrows versions yes they will,
But any that have previously been bought and stored before this patch will not lose their level of tech points..
Existing versions of these Tech Upgrades that players have already purchased will not be altered, other than having their names changed to include the term “Classic” and their quality upgraded to Epic (Gold). Future purchases will yield a Phoenix Universal Tech Upgrade with the following change.