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So are the New ships only going to be in the lock boxes??
psychickitty
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I am curious about this.
Becasue when I was first playing i recall opening 98 lock boxes to get one ship
Now as of late with the infinity boxes, I have opend 104 of them so far, and not gotten the Tier 6 ships at all.
The odds onthe new lock boxes seams a bit skewed.
I dont mind too much got many other items, some of which i wont use because i have no room to use them on my present characters.
So again I am wondering about this.
***>_> also wondering if the ship in star trek prodigies will be in this game too.****
Becasue when I was first playing i recall opening 98 lock boxes to get one ship
Now as of late with the infinity boxes, I have opend 104 of them so far, and not gotten the Tier 6 ships at all.
The odds onthe new lock boxes seams a bit skewed.
I dont mind too much got many other items, some of which i wont use because i have no room to use them on my present characters.
So again I am wondering about this.
***>_> also wondering if the ship in star trek prodigies will be in this game too.****
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
=^_^=
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And I have no doubt we'll see the Protostar in game. In what capacity... is anyone's guess. While I'd like it to be C-Store, odds are it might get its own lockbox, which would probably be best case scenario. Worst case is Promo IMO.
In my tired state i was thinking you where implying:
"viacom/cbs/Paramount/Nickelodeon want us to pay for keys to perfect world so we can use the gambling devices to get ships."
which made me laugh becasue I was thinking "what next gambing shows for kids on Nickelodeon??"
But realized you meant the Prodigy ship...=^_^=
Again thank you for the reply.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
=^_^=
I understand your disappointment / upset, but don't open lockboxes for ships. Chances are somewhere around one ship in 240 boxes, it's still the same for about 8 years.
If you want a ship, buy the keys, sell them and buy a ship for the EC. I have about 10 lockbox ships and I bought them all like this.
Though i am wondering if these will still only be lock box ships...
Because even with your idea, someone would have to win the item to open up and get a ship, and since there are many to choose from in the lock box now, the odds someone will selelt a specific ship you might want, becomes something that will not likely happen.
so its an even bigger gamble at that point.
Power without Perception is Spiritually useless and therefore of no true value.
=^_^=
Gamble box odds are 1 in 250 for lock boxes, 1 in 100 for promo pack ships. Sadly it is RNG so you could get a ship in 1 box or not get a ship after opening 500.
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Real Join Date: October 2010
With 1 in 100 odds, before you start to open 200 boxes there is a 0.99 ^ 200 chance (13.4%.) that you will fail to get any ships. You can only calculate that before you start, because probability has no memory. Once you've opened 199 boxes your odds for the 200th box are 1 in 100 not 13.4%.
Apparently RNG hates you and someone else got your 2 ships. Possibly me: I've never gotten a lock box ship in opening maybe 200 boxes over 7 years, but I've gotten 2 promo pack ships after opening maybe 50-60 over that time span.
I open them for fun and lobi not to get a ship. For lock box ships I've bought a bunch over the years from the exchange using credits.
To be fair, Prodigy looks more like the actual STO game already. It has a big advantage being CGI.
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The irony is...I get totally swept away in the narrative of Prodigy and there's no transition between ground and space. The biggest problem with the films and series over the last few years is that the CGI lets it down. Bad or badly used CGI derails everything. It takes you out of the moment, but Prodigy is pretty seamless, because it's all animated.
The bad guys ships from Prodigy would be better for the lockbox
Bring the Enterprise XCV-330 to STO
That sounds good, but I doubt it will happen since CBS has a track record of wanting hero ships to be relitively rare, which means lockbox or promo box (and possibly lobi), and they are likely to insist on it for the hero ship from Prodigy since despite the show being aimed mainly at kids the Protostar is still the hero ship.
Sorry, It's not what anyone wants.. but at this point in the games life cycle it's a giant cash grab. Anything that is remotely desirable goes behind a huge pay wall. The sooner you adjust your expectations, the better.. anything else is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Right on. For whatever reasons, this game can apparently only support itself through gambling mechanics at this point. I'm not saying that's anyone's fault, but it's just the truth.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
If you believe those are the most desirable items in the game.. great.
They still put some stuff in the C-Store, and the Nova was a particularly great addition. But lets be honest, people aren't downloading STO to fly a Nova, not today. They are watching shows like Discovery, Lower Decks, Prodigy and soon Brave New Worlds and trying the game because it offers that content. Then they find that all those ships they see on TV every week costs hundreds of dollars for even a chance to obtain.
Defend the practice if you wish, but they have been growing more and more predatory in their monetization over the last couple of years and putting 2 or 3 things in the Zen store per year doesn't change that.
I agree, "anything" is not correct. But the "most desirable" ships are definitely going in gamble boxes at this point. And by "most desirable" I mean any MAIN ship of any new show/movie going forward.
The only reason the Galaxy, Intrepid, Defiant, and Sovereign aren't in gamble boxes is because they were already in the game before it went F2P. But without any shadow of a doubt, any MAIN ship of any new show that comes out going forward will be stuck in a gambling box. And yes, that 100% means the California class and Protostar will be in gamble boxes.
As far as the non-main ships, some will find their way into the C-store and some will still be put in gamble boxes. It depends on what side of the bed they get up on that day.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
What I would love, is a Prodigy Pack. You'd get the Protostar, which could be flown after the tutorial and level, (I'd love there to be a Prodigy tutorial, of course) but then it comes with the STP ground equipment, etc.
We've had a Disco starter pack, so it would only be fair.
There is another (and rather unexpected by the industry) phenomenon happening too, one that is not being addressed very well by the devs. The number of people retiring and turning to MMOs like STO has been increasing for years, and the COVID driven closings and layoffs has accelerated that trend lately.
A lot of them download the game mainly for TOS rather than the NuTrek shows, but except for finally bringing AoY out again along with the "TOSified Reliant" the devs are not doing much to attract that quickly growing sector of gamers.
I would love to see what you have that substantiates that opinion.
Don't get me wrong, while I do like Discovery, I also love TOS.. but I don't believe there is any way that statement is true. The new stuff is what's popular now and far more likely to drive players to the game then a show that's over 50 years old.
Even extremely common ships from STO's own (approximate) time period get put in boxes. See Inquiry class from Picard. Same goes for Lower Decks stuff.
Because the connie is THE number 1 most iconic ship in all of Trek. They will never put something that desirable in the C-store as a normal purchase (although it is part of the big bundle, which is actually a good deal IMO).
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Unfortunately this advise is becoming outdated and will soon be completely irrelevant. Due to in game inflation, the more recent lockbox/promo ships are becoming less common on the exchange and are instead being sold in various chats for prices higher than can be listed on the exchange.
Don't get me wrong: I followed the "buy it off the exchange" logic for many years and it got me everything I wanted up to this point. But over the last year or so I have seen a major increase in ship pricing and the writing is on the wall that "just buy it on the exchange" won't be a valid option in the future.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I totally get what your saying. But the reason your example doesn't really make sense here is because we're not talking about 10 ships of equal value(like 10 hotdogs). Several of the ships in the connie bundle(TOS connie, DSC connie, Kelvin connie, Crossfield) are basically lockbox/promo ships, and they are worth FAR more than a regular C-store ship.
But just for the sake of argument, let's forget every ship in the bundle except the connie. Even if you ONLY wanted the connie and didn't care about ANY other ship in the pack, spending $200 to get an ACCOUNT unlock of the connie is still a better deal than spending $200 to get a single character unlock of the connie, which is what you get from the promo pack.
So for that reason, the pack is a good deal, IMO.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Yeah, so we are just coming at this from 2 completely different perspectives. You are trying to analyze the value of the pack in a vacuum, ignoring the values of ships outside of the pack and trying to break down the price based on number of ships in the pack. That's fine...but has nothing to do with my perspective.
My perspective is outside of this pack, the ONLY way to get a T6 connie is from a box(or from exchange), with an approximate value of $200. And again, that's a *single* character unlock. So between these 2 options:
A: single character unlock for approximately $200
B: account-wide unlock for approximately $200
Option "B" is obviously a great deal (by comparison).
So yeah, I gotta disagree with your pricing of connies at $50, because that's not their real value outside of the pack. Their real value outside of the pack is approximately $200 each for *single* character unlocks.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Yes it's expensive compared to normal C-Store ships, but also yes it's cheap compared to the existing promo pack price for 1 single-character Connie. Both are facts.
"I only want to pay $x" is a valid opinion, but it's still a fact that the legendary bundle is cheap compared to the promo pack price of the connie by itself, which is on average 250 lock box keys.
So it's getting one wagyu beef hotdog + 9 other hotdogs for $200 vs. 1 waygu beef dog for $250. Yes, quite expensive compared to oscar meyer snout-dogs, but whether it's worth it is up to the eater.