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The Mirror Guardian: The only job this ship should be doing is as a Garbage Scow.
Wait: What I meant to say is, the Guardian-class should be hauled away AS garbage!!
Yes, that's much better.
Wait: What I meant to say is, the Guardian-class should be hauled away AS garbage!!
Yes, that's much better.
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Just sayin', not talking about anyone in particular
(Why yes, the Prime Universe Guardian is one of my favorite ship designs in the Delta Pack along with the Mat'Ha.)
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11499243
Looks like Dec 16th in the C-Store. Was the controversary ever given for the delay? I tend to remember players questioning something about the Mirror Guardian/Guardian requiring 5 &/or 1 Fleet Ship Module(s) to upgrade their respective ship to the Fleet Guardian. I might've missed it but I didn't read anything about that in the blog post. If that hasn't been addressed then wouldn't that be having to pay a premium of 5 FSMs to just upgrade this Mirror Guardian?
Come on, guys!
So unless Cryptic inserts a fleet mirror guardian starship they're knowingly selling a ship that won't be able to "fully" be upgraded. That's a bit heinous.
You get free fleet modules from reputations so you can get a fleet guardian for free then use it with the mirror skin. But yes, it will cost you 5 of those free modules instead of the usual 1.
This ship was previously only available from a charity event held years ago so that is better than "no you can never get this ship."
Having a good laugh at your selection of tags
Bring the Enterprise XCV-330 to STO
Fleet Ships have slightly more hull, slightly better shields and one extra console over their C-Store equivalent. Are they better then the base ship? Yeah. Are they a huge upgrade you should never do without? No.
All the reputation tracks give a free Fleet Ship Module at Tier 6, so if you're doing rep it's a free upgrade. They're also cheap enough in the C-Store or on the exchange. Fleet Ship Modules are pretty easy to acquire and really aren't any real trouble to obtain. If you don't currently have the reputations up to where you can get a free module.. no biggie.. just fly the standard C-Store variant until you do. The difference isn't huge, you won't be at any real disadvantage.
Personally, I have never liked the Fleet Ship system. I have always felt that if you pay $30USD for a ship, you should get it at it's best possible level full stop. The Fleet System isn't great in my opinion, I get what it was originally intended to do (promote the joining of fleets) but it's not a great system overall and should have been re-evaluated years ago in my opinion.
Regular Guardian gets the fleet ship module discount & both have same seating correct? This Mirror Guardian doesn't get any fleet ship discount & has different seating than the regular & the fleet correct? Fleet versions get, traditionally, another 10% hull & console correct?
Unless they gave her a unique trait, she's just a Command version of the normal Guardian, which had Intel seating. The main thing would be the mirror hull unlock for the entire Guardian family. Not quite as good as say the Command Assault Cruiser since that came with her own console and trait, but has the same BOff layout as the Intel Assault Cruiser but with Command instead of Intel.
And frankly the one extra console of a Fleet variant doesn't make it an absolute must have. A lot of people do just fine with normal T6, and I'm pretty sure that this ship will be able to take advantage of the T6X upgrade, so... I fail to see the purpose of ranting about no Fleet upgrade when you can basically MAKE it slightly better than standard Fleet Quality with a T6X upgrade if you really want that extra console slot.
I agree.
Forgive me if I am not recalling correctly, but what other T6 ship that is sold in the C-Store with 10 consoles cannot be upgraded to Fleet Level? The Mirror Guardian is the only one I am aware of that meets this condition.
True, but what other (non-Legendary) Mirror ships are sold in the C-Store at all?
Also, you can get a Fleet Guardian with the mirror skin for 5 modules, it will just be Intel spec instead of Command.
the Guardian is the same as the Fleet Guardian but with the Fleet approximately 10% more hull & another console.
the Mirror doesn't have that ability albeit I think the only difference between the Guardian & the Mirror is the whole Intel & Command switched seating.
I'd think it wouldn't be that difficult to add a Fleet Mirror version for any that preferred the Command seating.
Otherwise isn't this a pay ship price just for a skin, which isn't necessarily new, I suppose?
Agreed, making the Mirror Guardian 'fleet level' right from the C-Store fixes the whole thing. It's simple and easy.. which is why Cryptic will never go for it.
That absolutely would be the easiest fix lol shamed to admit hadn't even thought of that.
call it "silly" all you want. I understand with a fleet ship it's a whole brand new ship, but it's also tied-into whatever version one is using FSMs to acquire since if you own the C-Store version it only costs 1 whereas if you don't own it costs 5.
your: "that is literally true for every zen store ship that isn't inherently fleet level, not JUST this one," is false. there's no route to a fleet version for this Mirror Guardian. other ships have a route to a fleet version unless the ship is already at that level/tier. i'm not complaining i'm stating a fact, deal with it.
this Mirror version is always going to be approximately 10% hull short & 1 console short of the regular Guardian. even with an X-upgrade. there's no parity. that's why i'm thinking of this Mirror as full ship price but just for a ship skin.
i think it would've been better just to release it as an upped version already at fleet level/tier as another mentioned (but then what about those that already have the charity Mirror?), simply introduce a fleet Mirror version, &/or this could've been a candidate for those Phoenix prize ships.
With respect, you're splitting hairs here.
Mechanically, yes.. a C-Store ship and it's Fleet sibling are different ships. The C-Store version comes with the trait/console and the fleet version is a slightly upgraded version of that ship. But we all know that the way the system is designed is that you purchase the C-Store ship, you unlock the trait and then you move the equipment to the Fleet Version and dismiss the C-Store version. While nothing you said is wrong, the system functionally works as if the Fleet Ship was an upgrade, it doesn't transform the actual ship like a T6-X Token does, but it functionally works the same way.
Since every C-Store ship is either Fleet Level in the store, or has a Fleet equivalent available for 1FSM, the fact that the Mirror Guardian is literally the ONLY ship that doesn't conform to this established standard means the ship absolutely should have a note or a warning given to the customer before purchase. I can only speak for myself, but as a long time player, if I were to buy this ship, I would just naturally assume I could upgrade it to fleet. That assumption would be based on the fact that every single T6 ship has worked this way since the first T6 ship ever released (The Guardian.) There is no reason at all for me to think upon purchase that this ship functions differently then literally every other T6 in the Store.
Again, the best way for Cryptic to fix this is just make the Mirror Guardian Fleet level from the store, that renders this entire debate moot. Again though, I am not arguing any of your points about them being different ships, you are 100% correct, and the way the game handles it, they are 2 different ships, with unique admiralty cards, etc. But every other C-Store ship that doesn't have 11 consoles has a fleet 'upgrade' option.. except this one, and there is nothing to tell the customer before purchase.
Regardless of how the game mechanics work, the customer should have all the information before making a purchase. The customer should know that this ship cannot be used to acquire a Fleet Version.
The Mirror Guardian was originally a reward for a charity drive, and when that event ended, the ability to get that ship ended too. Hasn't been available since.