The 12th anniversary legendary ship bundle

director81

We've already covered most federation and popular romulan and Klingon ships. So why not cover jem'hadar legendary ships. Please make it so. We are in desperate need of a jem'hadar pilot escort/raider/warship.

evilmark444

The 11th Anniversary Bundle showed us one thing: there will probably be a Federation ship in every Anniversary bundle. I do think they might cover more/all factions this time around though, so my current guess would be something like:

Legendary Prometheus or Inquiry (Prometheus seems much more likely, but the Inquiry would add more value since it's a promo ship)
Legendary Mogai
Legendary Negh'Var (I would put the Disco D7 as another option, but that wouldn't meet Bort's newly invented criteria)
Legendary JHAS or JHDC (one will probably be in the 12th Anniversary bundle, while the other will probably get a standalone bundle at some point)

rattler2

There's no guarantee they will do a legendary bundle every year. They may decide to go the individual route with extras, or a bundle like the recent Romulan one.

And I'm still working off the original interpretation of Legendary Requirements of having basically spearheaded a show in some form. Which all the current ones have done. Technically even the Scimitar counts as it was the primary villain ship of Nemesis. On top of that she's got multiple variations in STO.

So basing it off that, and trying to include the variations for customization, the most likely ships left are the Bugship and Prometheus.
The Bugship because it was the iconic Dominion ship, was very prominent throughout the war, AND the Federation captured and used one.
Prometheus had an entire episode of Voyager set on one.

Mogai I would be interested in but she really only appeared in one battle. Kinda iffy. And before anyone mentions the Excelsior... don't forget that not only was one an Enterpise, there were 2 movies with one (technically the same one being USS Excelsior herself), an episode of Voyager with one (again being USS Excelsior), and they were rather common in the TNG era.
Negh'var I could see because they were prominent in the Dominion War, and we had a supersized one in the Mirror Universe, so possible Legendary counterpart to the Mirror Gal-X?

spiritborn

I'd rule out the Inquiry as potential "legendary" ship as it's was a background ship for 1 episode, so essentially it's not gonna be a legendary ship unless CBS tells Cryptic it has to be.

rattler2 wrote: »

There's no guarantee they will do a legendary bundle every year. They may decide to go the individual route with extras, or a bundle like the recent Romulan one.

And I'm still working off the original interpretation of Legendary Requirements of having basically spearheaded a show in some form. Which all the current ones have done. Technically even the Scimitar counts as it was the primary villain ship of Nemesis. On top of that she's got multiple variations in STO.

So basing it off that, and trying to include the variations for customization, the most likely ships left are the Bugship and Prometheus.
The Bugship because it was the iconic Dominion ship, was very prominent throughout the war, AND the Federation captured and used one.
Prometheus had an entire episode of Voyager set on one.

Mogai I would be interested in but she really only appeared in one battle. Kinda iffy. And before anyone mentions the Excelsior... don't forget that not only was one an Enterpise, there were 2 movies with one (technically the same one being USS Excelsior herself), an episode of Voyager with one (again being USS Excelsior), and they were rather common in the TNG era.
Negh'var I could see because they were prominent in the Dominion War, and we had a supersized one in the Mirror Universe, so possible Legendary counterpart to the Mirror Gal-X?

The Excelsior class was also the "workhorse" class during the TNG era.

I'd count the Mogai as somewhat iconic though as it was "the ship" for RSE in Nemesis and first new cap ship for Romulans for ages (also a design that was distinctly Romulan, the scout ship seen in TNG was a generic alien ship painted in the Romulan colors, though I'm pretty sure that same model was used for non-Romulan ships as well).

Also I'd say the bug ship counts as iconic since they destroyed the USS Odyssey (the GCS one) which back then was a big deal and that's not considering that they were pretty much the Dominion's "face" in space.

The Negh'var is pretty much the only Iconic Klingon ship that's not a legendary ship in game.

thegrandnagus1

somtaawkhar wrote: »

• Negh'var
• Bug Ship
• Galor

I could see these non-Fed ships becoming Legendary ships. Maybe the D'kora.

As for Fed ships, the Miranda class obviously.

For sure. And not from WOK, but from TNG 5x18 where it repeatedly destroyed the Enterprise over and over

thegrandnagus1

keepcalmchiveon wrote: »

how about legendary carriers.
oh yeah, that doesnt fit within the scope of defining what legendary is.
carry on.

legendary is not longer viable. its over used and abused. if anything, legendary ships should be about 2 per faction and extremely difficult to get. (maybe a combo of in game items as well as dil and zen...)

the word itself is losing any real meaning.

aside from that, carry on.

Yeah, some are getting too tied up on the "definition" of "Legendary". TBH, it's just a way to re-sell a slightly upgraded version of an existing ship. It doesn't really matter what you call it. Invent some new term that lets them do the same thing even if the ship wasn't actually the focus of a TV show/movie. If it's a marketable ship, just do it and stop debating terminology IMO.

rattler2

somtaawkhar wrote: »

Miranda has the highest body count when it comes to hero ships.

The Redshirt of starships.

keepcalmchiveon wrote: »

how about legendary carriers.
oh yeah, that doesnt fit within the scope of defining what legendary is.

Pretty sure the DSC Connie counts as a carrier.

thegrandnagus1 wrote: »

Yeah, some are getting too tied up on the "definition" of "Legendary". TBH, it's just a way to re-sell a slightly upgraded version of an existing ship. It doesn't really matter what you call it.

Honestly the only upgrade the Legendary Sovy has over my Vizir is the Legendary trait. BOff station wise the Vizir fits my playstyle a lot more. And I honestly prefer my standard Crossfield's BOff and weapons layout over the Legendary.
I see it as a case of "to each their own" variants, not full blown upgrades.

evilmark444

spiritborn wrote: »

I'd rule out the Inquiry as potential "legendary" ship as it's was a background ship for 1 episode

I would mostly agree with you based on the original criteria the devs gave (that it be a hero ship or a ship that carried an episode/movie), but it WOULD qualify for Bort's new criteria (that it have an existing in-game lineage of at least two variants). They could also try (emphasis on "try", because I would disagree) to say it's a hero ship since it was Riker's reserve ship and he claimed it was the most powerful ship Starfleet had built at that time. There's also plenty of other Fed ships that can still qualify as Legendary:

Meet both criteria: Prometheus, Miranda
Need more variants: Nova, Constellation, Vengeance, Titan, Olympic (might be able to merge this with the Daedalus if the size is close enough)
May not be prominent enough on screen, but debatable: Inquiry, Nebula, Akira, Oberth

Edit: added the Titan

spiritborn

evilmark444 wrote: »

spiritborn wrote: »

I'd rule out the Inquiry as potential "legendary" ship as it's was a background ship for 1 episode

I would mostly agree with you based on the original criteria the devs gave (that it be a hero ship or a ship that carried an episode/movie), but it WOULD qualify for Bort's new criteria (that it have an existing in-game lineage of at least two variants). They could also try (emphasis on "try", because I would disagree) to say it's a hero ship since it was Riker's reserve ship and he claimed it was the most powerful ship Starfleet had built at that time. There's also plenty of other Fed ships that can still qualify as Legendary:

Meet both criteria: Prometheus, Miranda
Need more variants: Nova, Constellation, Vengeance, Olympic (might be able to merge this with the Daedalus if the size is close enough)
May not be prominent enough on screen, but debatable: Inquiry, Nebula, Akira, Oberth

Honestly I wouldn't call Borts comment so much a new criteria as much as I would call it a clarification to the pre-existing one. I'd say the criteria is prominent ship that has a lineage in-game.

evilmark444

spiritborn wrote: »

evilmark444 wrote: »

spiritborn wrote: »

I'd rule out the Inquiry as potential "legendary" ship as it's was a background ship for 1 episode

I would mostly agree with you based on the original criteria the devs gave (that it be a hero ship or a ship that carried an episode/movie), but it WOULD qualify for Bort's new criteria (that it have an existing in-game lineage of at least two variants). They could also try (emphasis on "try", because I would disagree) to say it's a hero ship since it was Riker's reserve ship and he claimed it was the most powerful ship Starfleet had built at that time. There's also plenty of other Fed ships that can still qualify as Legendary:

Meet both criteria: Prometheus, Miranda
Need more variants: Nova, Constellation, Vengeance, Olympic (might be able to merge this with the Daedalus if the size is close enough)
May not be prominent enough on screen, but debatable: Inquiry, Nebula, Akira, Oberth

Honestly I wouldn't call Borts comment so much a new criteria as much as I would call it a clarification to the pre-existing one. I'd say the criteria is prominent ship that has a lineage in-game.

I would agree, however two of the very first Legendary ships, the Disco and JJ connies, did NOT have an in-game lineage when they were released (the JJPrise still doesn't, though the Disco Connie did get another variant released after it's Legendary).

voodoopokey

At this point we're sort'v scraping the barrel for genuinely Legendary ships. There are only a few that were really highlighted in shows or movies in a way that might qualify them for that category:

Miranda - if only because the battle between Kirk and Khan was, itself, pretty legendary. I'd fully expect its legendary starship trait to fire bugs into people's ears or it would be a complete waste.

Vengeance - y'know the ship khan had in the terrible remake of Wrath of Khan. It's very pretty and its the first lobi ship almost everybody buys. I think everyone went "wooooooooo" when they first saw it on screen.

Sarcophagus Ship - this ship was literally the start of the Klingon unification which was a major plot point in the first season of Discovery. Making a legendary version could give them a chance to rethink its in-game mechanics such that people actually want to fly it!

Annorax - I mean, how many ships from Voyager does everybody remember? I had to edit to throw this one in. It was a one-of-a-kind ship that broke time and ruined its own empire. That's pretty legendary.

..and yes I know that they've said that it needs multiple variants to be considered, but that's a stupid criteria. If they think the only reason legendary ships sell is that they have more than one M5 trait or console, they're working from the same sort of assumptions that lead to their other bad decisions.

evilmark444

voodoopokey wrote: »

At this point we're sort'v scraping the barrel for genuinely Legendary ships. There are only a few that were really highlighted in shows or movies in a way that might qualify them for that category:

Miranda - if only because the battle between Kirk and Khan was, itself, pretty legendary. I'd fully expect its legendary starship trait to fire bugs into people's ears or it would be a complete waste.

Vengeance - y'know the ship khan had in the terrible remake of Wrath of Khan. It's very pretty and its the first lobi ship almost everybody buys. I think everyone went "wooooooooo" when they first saw it on screen.

Sarcophagus Ship - this ship was literally the start of the Klingon unification which was a major plot point in the first season of Discovery. Making a legendary version could give them a chance to rethink its in-game mechanics such that people actually want to fly it!

Annorax - I mean, how many ships from Voyager does everybody remember? I had to edit to throw this one in. It was a one-of-a-kind ship that broke time and ruined its own empire. That's pretty legendary.

..and yes I know that they've said that it needs multiple variants to be considered, but that's a stupid criteria. If they think the only reason legendary ships sell is that they have more than one M5 trait or console, they're working from the same sort of assumptions that lead to their other bad decisions.

Thomas, the lead ship artist, said that he could see an argument for the Prometheus being Legendary due to it carrying an episode of Voyager and being a fan favorite, and if that qualifies for that part of the criteria then the Nova would too (though that would need a normal T6 first).

My main reason for suggesting the Inquiry as a possibility is that boost bundles have mostly been previous Promo ships with one Lobi ship thrown in there. The inevitable TOS boost bundle will probably get the Miranda simply because there are no other TOSish options left, but 2409 Feds have the Inquiry as a promo option and a weak argument could be made that it was Riker's hero ship when he was a reserve captain.

fleetcaptain5

At this point, you should also ask yourself a question whenever you think of suggesting a new super expensive pack.

Namely: what will they have to take away from players as a 'dilithium sink' when the Zen price inevitably rises again?

lianthelia

Bortasqu for sure since Feds and Romulans have their flagships represented as legendary. Dominion flagship too would be likely

For Feds? Maybe the Enterprise J? Bout the only Enterprise not represented in legendary fashion

Romulans have me stumped...probably wouldn't be the Khenn since they released the skin with the D7...perhaps the Mogai?

kiralyn

voodoopokey wrote: »

Vengeance - y'know the ship khan had in the terrible remake of Wrath of Khan. It's very pretty and its the first lobi ship almost everybody buys. I think everyone went "wooooooooo" when they first saw it on screen.

Hmm. I've only seen the STO version (never saw the movie), but it's pretty low on my list of lobi ships I'd want to get, because I thought it looked kinda ugly & silly looking.

Ah, well.


(but, yeah - I'd think that for something to be "legendary", it'd have to be a named ship that had a notable role in a show or movie, not just "I really like this race, so they need to make a Legendary Pack for them!" Of course, many/most of those have already been lockbox/promo ships.)

evilmark444

coldnapalm wrote: »

As much as I love the Mogai, it doesn't fit their definition of a legendary ship.

I think the role it played in helping the Enterprise fight the Scimitar could potentially make it eligible, and it's really the only viable Romulan Legendary left so either they make it or they don't do any more Romulan legendary ships.

phoenixc

I would prefer if they would stop wasting ship-making slots on Legendary ships altogether, they have already gone though all the reasonable candidates (except maybe the bugship just to give Odo's expeditionary force something) and c-store ships have all but ceased coming out (and no, Mudds and the other insanely expensive bloat packs that cannot be bought with the tokens don't count regardless of the fact they are in the c-store).

Obviously they will not do that because the whales are buying the bloated high-priced stuff of course, but the concentration on them is putting all of the factions in a similar situation as the Romulans were in a few years ago with very few ships coming out (in this case it is very few affordable ships coming out in the glut of unaffordable ones).

rattler2

C-Store hasn't stopped. We're due for some new ones coming up.

nixie50

somtaawkhar wrote: »

phoenixc#0738 wrote: »

Obviously they will not do that because the whales are buying the bloated high-priced stuff of course, but the concentration on them is putting all of the factions in a similar situation as the Romulans were in a few years ago with very few ships coming out (in this case it is very few affordable ships coming out in the glut of unaffordable ones).

Ship releases have been going down for years. Crypitc has already done pretty much every canon KDF/ROM/DOM ship, and the ones the Feds are missing are mostly just background ships like the Wolf 359 one nacelle ships that few people have interest in.

The fact Cryptic has been clearing out the old backlog of ships like the Luna, Atrox, Kar'Fi, Vo'quv, Steamrunner, Oberth, Malachowski, etc. etc. would support this as well.

There's only like 22 ships(not counting the Steamrunner) between the factions that are in-game, but not T6 yet, and 9 of them are the Dysons. Besides the Nova and Dysons, there isn't much call for most of them either.

Though it does appear they might be working on the Saber class, so that might come out alongside the Steamrunner.

the K'Vort still has not made an appearance in game, and no it ISN'T just an upscale B'rel any more than a K'tinga is just an upscaled D-7. it's a Canon ship and appeared in at least 4 episodes of TNG

rattler2

Unfortunately this is true. K'vort and B'rel were interchangable even through DS9. The only difference seems to be maneuverability and size. Other than that it was literally the same design, and trying to look up the K'vort class just brings up the overall BoP page on Memory Alpha which coveres not only the K'vort, but the B'rel as well, not really making much of a distinction between them.

evilmark444

The kvort would be incredibly easy for them to add since it's simply an upscaled B'rel with different stats, so the fact they haven't done it tells me the devs probably don't want to.