Both the Steamrunner and Oberth T6 versions are being worked on right now, and are likely to be Zen ships.
There's really not too many canon FED/KDF/ROM ships left to make, or make into a T6 version. And the new trek TV shows aren't exactly putting out a lot either. We have seen a notable decline in the number of ships releases year after years since 2015, likely as a result of this.
And Mudd's is just them back porting already existing premium ships into the Zen store.
There you go, making excuses for the Devs greed
For Feds alone there is a list full, maybe not many for KDF and Rom...but still plenty for Feds. But nope...pretty much everything they put out these days will cost you about a c note or higher
Taking the list that somtaawkhar posted, a few ships could quickly be converted into dual (Fed/KDF), tri (Fed/KDF/Rom), or quad (Fed/KDF/Rom/JH) packs, of course, with single ship sales too.
The Hermes/Tempest is an obvious one; with the novelty Tailgun and Nadion Saturation Bomb. Make the Tailgun a removable and upgradable Rear-only weapon coming in Phaser/Disruptor/Plasma/Polaron flavors, and upgrade the Nadion Saturation Bomb to change energy type depending on ship or faction.
The Trident DSSV is another, given the lack of more SV options for the other factions. Give it a new console, a new Fed Skin, and clone stats over to 1-3 other ships. Give it improved innate detection bonuses and improved damage at range (on top of the 3 Sci Captain skills that reduce the damage penalty at long range) compared to other SVs, being that it was intended for Deep Space exploration and should have fairly strong sensor suites.
For a bit of novelty, the Vulcan D'Kyr should be accompanied by other Factions' side-species Sci Vessels, similar to how we got Suliban/Tellarite/Orion Carriers or Andorian/Nausican/Dewan Pilot Escorts. Maybe Vulcan/Gorn/Reman/Vorta or JH again, assuming a 4 ship cross-faction bundle. As well, making things a little more thematic compared to the other possible Cross-Faction packs. Using the D'Kyr as an example; include Vulcan Phasers with a new proc, an unlockable Tal'Kyr Shuttle and Tal'Kyr Hangar Pets (4 per Hangar), and a Ship-specific trait (so 4 traits with this pack). Mirror the same for the other 3 ships; Gorn Disruptors, Gorn Hangar Pets and Shuttle, Reman Plasmas, Reman Hangar Pets and Shuttle, Founder Polarons (if not JH) or JH Polarons, and their respective Shuttle and Hangar Pets.
The Nova is another solid option, considering the lack of tiny SVs in general. Give it a new console, a new Fed Skin, and clone stats over to 1-3 other ships. Compared to other SVs, it should be a bit faster and maneuverable in base stats, and a minor passive that makes it immune to the negative affects of fighting in gravity zones (the Dyson Spheres with their minor penalty to movement, and queues like Gravity Falls).
Then go make a Legendary Nova, which is a novel Pilot Spec Nova (another rarity given its size, and the fact that the only other notable Pilot SciVessel appears to be the Jellyfish) that comes with special Aux Heavy Phaser Dual Beam Banks; which basically fire more powerful phaser beams halfway between normal Phaser DDBs and Beam Overload Phaser DBBs, and with thicker phaser beams.
The Emissary/Vanguard Star Cruiser is a prime candidate for a novel broadside torpedo cruiser, as well as being a loose take on the DS9 video game's Achilles-class. Have it come with a pair of Broadside Quantum Micro-Torpedo Launchers; one in the Fore and one in the Aft, that are limited to the middle 90 degree arcs to the port/starboard sides. Throw in a Broadside Torpedo Console similar to the Titan's or Defiant's Torpedo Console, firing a burst volley of even more torpedoes.
They could always make a few Lukari/Kentari ships for the c-store since they seem to be completely integrated into the alpha/beta/gamma part of the Alliance. I know their old ones were some sort of lockbox or lobi ships but there are plenty of Fed, Rom, Dom, and Klingon ships in those as well as the c-store.
There are also a lot of ships from ENT that have never made it into the game that belong to races that are now part of the Federation (and some that are not), and there is a strong precedent for those being c-store with the Vulcan and Andorian c-store ships.
They could always make a few Lukari/Kentari ships for the c-store since they seem to be completely integrated into the alpha/beta/gamma part of the Alliance. I know their old ones were some sort of lockbox or lobi ships but there are plenty of Fed, Rom, Dom, and Klingon ships in those as well as the c-store.
There are also a lot of ships from ENT that have never made it into the game that belong to races that are now part of the Federation (and some that are not), and there is a strong precedent for those being c-store with the Vulcan and Andorian c-store ships.
Unfortunately I have a feeling that any canon ships*(see qualifier below) they have not yet made is due to them having some type of data suggesting they would not be very profitable. So for purely business reasons they are more likely to create some new variant of a popular ship we already have in game that they know people will buy again than they are to create some obscure ship that probably wouldn't sell as well.
*Excluding those from the newest shows that they simply haven't had time to make yet or are waiting for marketing reasons. I am referring specifically to ships that appeared in the previous Trek series from many years ago.
They could always make a few Lukari/Kentari ships for the c-store since they seem to be completely integrated into the alpha/beta/gamma part of the Alliance. I know their old ones were some sort of lockbox or lobi ships but there are plenty of Fed, Rom, Dom, and Klingon ships in those as well as the c-store.
There are also a lot of ships from ENT that have never made it into the game that belong to races that are now part of the Federation (and some that are not), and there is a strong precedent for those being c-store with the Vulcan and Andorian c-store ships.
Unfortunately I have a feeling that any canon ships*(see qualifier below) they have not yet made is due to them having some type of data suggesting they would not be very profitable. So for purely business reasons they are more likely to create some new variant of a popular ship we already have in game that they know people will buy again than they are to create some obscure ship that probably wouldn't sell as well.
*Excluding those from the newest shows that they simply haven't had time to make yet or are waiting for marketing reasons. I am referring specifically to ships that appeared in the previous Trek series from many years ago.
As somtaawkhar pointed out they don't really have many of those left, and those mostly seem to be ones the devs do not like such as the Nova/Rhode Island, the Yeager, the Planet of Titans ship, etc., or are impractical to fly like the Borg cubes and spheres, the Fesarian cluster ship, and maybe one or two others. And they don't have any TAS ships at all so they either don't like any of them, have legal problems with them, or some other reason which rules them out too.
And the fact is that many casual gamers want more c-store ships because they cannot afford the whale-packs and gamble boxes that are the other main source of new ships.
Unfortunately I have a feeling that any canon ships*(see qualifier below) they have not yet made is due to them having some type of data suggesting they would not be very profitable. So for purely business reasons they are more likely to create some new variant of a popular ship we already have in game that they know people will buy again than they are to create some obscure ship that probably wouldn't sell as well.
*Excluding those from the newest shows that they simply haven't had time to make yet or are waiting for marketing reasons. I am referring specifically to ships that appeared in the previous Trek series from many years ago.
Yep, which is why they are making a T6 Oberth and T6 Steamrunner.
Ships from old shows that have been sitting in the backlog for years and are only being made now because they showed up in a new show.... ohh wait! They didn't show up in a new show and are still being made regardless.
Yeah, I'm glad they are finally making those; don't get me wrong. The folks who really love those ships deserve to finally get them. But I also doubt that are going to be hugely popular or profitable. But hey, we'll see right? If we see tons of them flying around and in TFOs I guess we'll know.
Yeah, I'm glad they are finally making those; don't get me wrong. The folks who really love those ships deserve to finally get them. But I also doubt that are going to be hugely popular or profitable. But hey, we'll see right? If we see tons of them flying around and in TFOs I guess we'll know.
Well them being profitable/popular really isn't the point. The point is that they are being made regardless of if they are or not.
Cryptic has been bringing up a lot of older ships that have been sitting in the pile recently. The Luna, Oberth, Steamrunner, Atrox, Vo'Quv, Kar'Fi, and finally giving them T6 versions. I don't really think the popularity argument holds much weight at this point outside of the real obscure ships, like the one nacelle Wolf 359 ships.
If anything, it likely has more to do with theme then anything. We were on heavily Discovery content for the Age/Mirror/Rise of Discovery updates, so we got mostly DSC themed ships. Since Awakening came out, and through the YoK, we have seen more current Trek elements come back in, so we started getting more current ships mixed in with the DSC ships.
The Steamrunner and Oberth are likely signs of the upcoming Federation focused storyline, which may or may not include the Mirror Universe, as several ships that are also MU ships are getting visual passes as well.
If we look at the remaining lobi/lockbox/event ships, and even several Zen store ships, that haven't been made into T6, most of them have one thing in common... they are all Delta Quadrant based. Hirogen, Kazon, Malon, Nihydron, Sphere Builders, Voth, the Obelisk, and even the Dysons, are all Delta Quadrant focused/themed ships. We haven't had any real DQ focused in awhile, in which likely why they haven't been done, since making ships more in-line with the focus makes more sense.
True, though the Dyson ships are kind of an exception to that since there has been at least several of those online one-page stories about the Romulans (at least) having to shift the bulk of their production to the Dyson automated factories (except for the singularity cores which still have to be made in Romulan factories and shipped out for installation at the spheres, or the coreless ships towed to a Romulan yard for the installation).
In theory there should be a lot more Romulan Dyson ships out there, and probably the same for the other factions as well. According to their own lore there is only a trickle of ships coming out of traditional Romulan shipyards and a few models (like the Temere) being built in allied shipyards.
Yeah, it's been 6+ months but not only 1 but 2 starship reveals yesterday was nice. Both starships seemed interesting too & different. Sounded like it was awfully close to being almost a console set too, between that Marrone & Borticus, which since it isn't is a shame since Cryptic is bundling them for bundle buy or separate buys. I guess it depends what else is in the bundle. The genesis feature does sound pretty close to a gravity well, but I have np with that, & even though I'm not into it a lot I sort of like it's for heavy science. That Clark class sounds very fun too especially since it can mix & match its parts so much. Yesterday was a good stream & already looking forward to next week for the Summer Event details.
> @somtaawkhar said:
> Honestly, I would prefer it come in a pack along with the HoH'SuS, the Ha'nom, and the Ha'feh.
>
> All four of those ships are what I've liked to call "the splitables" They are all smaller ships that split off from larger ships
> -Aquarius(Oddy)
> -HoH'SuS(Bortasqu)
> -Ha'nom/Ha'feh(Ha'apax)
> So it would make sense to do them in a themed cross faction pack.
>
> A "Splitables" pack, and a Dyson pack, would finish off the last of the remaining Klingon and Romulan ships needing a T6 version.
"Splitables" sounds painful!
Perhaps 'Auxiliary Starships pack'
I first read "Splitables", I misread it as "Spitables"
i said packs and bundles. i also am aware that packs are in the store, however, i also advocate for more single buy options, thus my post. (and plenty of other posts in other threads about bundles and packs)
Most of the ships that are bundled in the store, can also be purchased separately. The only exceptions are... I THINK... the various Legendary ships, most of the Mudd's ships, the T5 Galor, and the T1 Constitution, which are only available in their respective bundles. (I may have missed a few more. But that's not the point.)
So your tirade about wanting single ships and not bundles... makes very little sense. Unless you mean Legendary or Mudd's bundles.
Yep, and they mentioned that they are available separately as well as together in the "Genesis Bundle".
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There you go, making excuses for the Devs greed
For Feds alone there is a list full, maybe not many for KDF and Rom...but still plenty for Feds. But nope...pretty much everything they put out these days will cost you about a c note or higher
The Hermes/Tempest is an obvious one; with the novelty Tailgun and Nadion Saturation Bomb. Make the Tailgun a removable and upgradable Rear-only weapon coming in Phaser/Disruptor/Plasma/Polaron flavors, and upgrade the Nadion Saturation Bomb to change energy type depending on ship or faction.
The Trident DSSV is another, given the lack of more SV options for the other factions. Give it a new console, a new Fed Skin, and clone stats over to 1-3 other ships. Give it improved innate detection bonuses and improved damage at range (on top of the 3 Sci Captain skills that reduce the damage penalty at long range) compared to other SVs, being that it was intended for Deep Space exploration and should have fairly strong sensor suites.
For a bit of novelty, the Vulcan D'Kyr should be accompanied by other Factions' side-species Sci Vessels, similar to how we got Suliban/Tellarite/Orion Carriers or Andorian/Nausican/Dewan Pilot Escorts. Maybe Vulcan/Gorn/Reman/Vorta or JH again, assuming a 4 ship cross-faction bundle. As well, making things a little more thematic compared to the other possible Cross-Faction packs. Using the D'Kyr as an example; include Vulcan Phasers with a new proc, an unlockable Tal'Kyr Shuttle and Tal'Kyr Hangar Pets (4 per Hangar), and a Ship-specific trait (so 4 traits with this pack). Mirror the same for the other 3 ships; Gorn Disruptors, Gorn Hangar Pets and Shuttle, Reman Plasmas, Reman Hangar Pets and Shuttle, Founder Polarons (if not JH) or JH Polarons, and their respective Shuttle and Hangar Pets.
The Nova is another solid option, considering the lack of tiny SVs in general. Give it a new console, a new Fed Skin, and clone stats over to 1-3 other ships. Compared to other SVs, it should be a bit faster and maneuverable in base stats, and a minor passive that makes it immune to the negative affects of fighting in gravity zones (the Dyson Spheres with their minor penalty to movement, and queues like Gravity Falls).
Then go make a Legendary Nova, which is a novel Pilot Spec Nova (another rarity given its size, and the fact that the only other notable Pilot SciVessel appears to be the Jellyfish) that comes with special Aux Heavy Phaser Dual Beam Banks; which basically fire more powerful phaser beams halfway between normal Phaser DDBs and Beam Overload Phaser DBBs, and with thicker phaser beams.
The Emissary/Vanguard Star Cruiser is a prime candidate for a novel broadside torpedo cruiser, as well as being a loose take on the DS9 video game's Achilles-class. Have it come with a pair of Broadside Quantum Micro-Torpedo Launchers; one in the Fore and one in the Aft, that are limited to the middle 90 degree arcs to the port/starboard sides. Throw in a Broadside Torpedo Console similar to the Titan's or Defiant's Torpedo Console, firing a burst volley of even more torpedoes.
There are also a lot of ships from ENT that have never made it into the game that belong to races that are now part of the Federation (and some that are not), and there is a strong precedent for those being c-store with the Vulcan and Andorian c-store ships.
Unfortunately I have a feeling that any canon ships*(see qualifier below) they have not yet made is due to them having some type of data suggesting they would not be very profitable. So for purely business reasons they are more likely to create some new variant of a popular ship we already have in game that they know people will buy again than they are to create some obscure ship that probably wouldn't sell as well.
*Excluding those from the newest shows that they simply haven't had time to make yet or are waiting for marketing reasons. I am referring specifically to ships that appeared in the previous Trek series from many years ago.
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Join Date: Sep 2008
As somtaawkhar pointed out they don't really have many of those left, and those mostly seem to be ones the devs do not like such as the Nova/Rhode Island, the Yeager, the Planet of Titans ship, etc., or are impractical to fly like the Borg cubes and spheres, the Fesarian cluster ship, and maybe one or two others. And they don't have any TAS ships at all so they either don't like any of them, have legal problems with them, or some other reason which rules them out too.
And the fact is that many casual gamers want more c-store ships because they cannot afford the whale-packs and gamble boxes that are the other main source of new ships.
Yeah, I'm glad they are finally making those; don't get me wrong. The folks who really love those ships deserve to finally get them. But I also doubt that are going to be hugely popular or profitable. But hey, we'll see right? If we see tons of them flying around and in TFOs I guess we'll know.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
It's definitely a unique design
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
True, though the Dyson ships are kind of an exception to that since there has been at least several of those online one-page stories about the Romulans (at least) having to shift the bulk of their production to the Dyson automated factories (except for the singularity cores which still have to be made in Romulan factories and shipped out for installation at the spheres, or the coreless ships towed to a Romulan yard for the installation).
In theory there should be a lot more Romulan Dyson ships out there, and probably the same for the other factions as well. According to their own lore there is only a trickle of ships coming out of traditional Romulan shipyards and a few models (like the Temere) being built in allied shipyards.
I got it when Steam released the pack... i really want a T6 version... also a T6 of the Tempest
So will have to google/bing cryptic twitch in the next hour & half for when it starts at 4:30 (pacific) - hope some will join to watch.
Someone on the Reddit linked the two images of both ships, as well as describing them in the link.
Both ships can be purchased separately, or as part of a Genesis Bundle coming soon.
Still two nice additions, and both Federation ships come with the Type 7A Materials too.
Actually, the summer event ship was NOT revealed today. The T6 Oberth & T6 Malachowski w/ space barbie Miranda parts.
I first read "Splitables", I misread it as "Spitables"
Yep, and they mentioned that they are available separately as well as together in the "Genesis Bundle".