I certainly hope to see a T6 Star cruiser sometime.
Of the older free level up ship designs, I always liked how big it looked, with lots of windows.
It's basically a flying city, and with the elongated design it's everything a real cruiser should be.
There's already four T6 Star Cruisers. (Though they are the Odyssey types, not the T5 level-up one.)
Yes, for some reason those ships were given the name Star Cruiser. But they're just called that, they have nothing to do with the original design which is really different from the Odysseys (and almost everything else for that matter).
[4:46] [Combat {self}] Your Haymaker deals 23337 (9049) Physical Damage(Critical) to Spawnmother
Yea perhaps it was, still I think the T6 Oberth Light Science Vessel is going to be different than what many suspect. I know Oberth later inspired the earlier Nova design.
"Unofficially, the Nova-class was considered by some of the production staff as the replacement for the Oberth class as research and science platform."
It's possible they thought the Oberth class ships deserved a quality pass, the real question remains if we'll indeed see a T6 Oberth update. Perhaps we will, as it is a unique vessel for sure! Still a part of me believes it's a teaser possibly for T6 Nova, or both...
Given there haven't been a lot of other ZEN ships this last 8 or so months, and the next update is Federation based. All we can do is wait...
It absolutely was.
Lets put it this way, it wasn't the first poll of that nature they ran - as have discussed in the specific thread, they ran one in (October) 2017 too. And every ship except the one that WON that poll has been remodeled.
The poll you refer to, from January had the same result.
And when something of a 'noise' was made about these polls (and the fact they ignored the ship that won both times) here, on the forum, the CM made a very rare appearance to outline the fact that the opinions of a 'vocal minority' (such as those who post on social media/the forum - since stated to be about 2% of the playerbase) don't represent what their metrics indicate the rest of the playerbase want.
As far as they are concerned the Nova class won't make a profit, so they ignore it. And they'll continue to ignore it.
That's very cheap criticism anyway. As I've stated elsewhere recently, Forum posts at least contain something of opinions, preferences and substantiations of those.
Their holy 'metrics' actually don't say sh*t most of the time because they actively influence the outcomes of those things they're measuring. If they looked at their metrics, they'd probably draw the conclusion that everyone just loves playing the same patrol 40 times. Which isn't true of course, we're only doing that because they're actively trying to reach that outcome by adding other inputs into the equation (event rewards, and players' willingness to collect those - which they're actually measuring).
Likewise, metrics showing that a ship isn't popular doesn't tell them WHY the ship isn't flown that often. There are tons of reasons that can explain this (like the ship having an outdated model). And it certainly doesn't tell them whether a hypothetical, not-yet existing T6 version of a ship would be popular. Because you can't determine that based on data that's entirely related to an existing thing, it remains speculation to some degree.
So yeah, 'metrics' and related excuses are to be taken with a grain of salt. Anyone with even a basic grasp of how to properly conduct (quantitative) research can understand that their 'metrics' can't actually be used to inform them of the things they use it for - and that the way they use them violates all sorts of requirements for proper conducting of such investigations anyway.
[4:46] [Combat {self}] Your Haymaker deals 23337 (9049) Physical Damage(Critical) to Spawnmother
I would not mind more ships for the Z-store and the fleet shipyards too. Those things are expensive to make and we could get some update on fleet ships as well.
If we get new normal Zen store ships in the future, there are the ones we are likely to see
Starfleet
Aquarius Light Escort
I know they reserved the Aquarius Light Escort to have a special feature for Fleets, but they should have freed it when they came up with the 'Fleet' versions of the other ships, esp. when they ended up making the Fleet version of that Fleet purchased ship. I wonder if it'd be released as a mini 'Ship of the Line' bundle, or just a T6?
I certainly hope to see a T6 Star cruiser sometime.
Of the older free level up ship designs, I always liked how big it looked, with lots of windows.
It's basically a flying city, and with the elongated design it's everything a real cruiser should be.
Agreed
I know they've been waiting for more canon ships to come our way from the TV and movies, but it'd be great if the ship design devs were able to make some more original designs.
I wonder if it'd be released as a mini 'Ship of the Line' bundle, or just a T6?
Honestly, I would prefer it come in a pack along with the HoH'SuS, the Ha'nom, and the Ha'feh.
All four of those ships are what I've liked to call "the splitables" They are all smaller ships that split off from larger ships
-Aquarius(Oddy)
-HoH'SuS(Bortasqu)
-Ha'nom/Ha'feh(Ha'apax)
So it would make sense to do them in a themed cross faction pack.
A "Splitables" pack, and a Dyson pack, would finish off the last of the remaining Klingon and Romulan ships needing a T6 version.
I think the Ha'nom/Ha'feh are the only ones that actually have a unique Tier 6 look as the Ha'apax got the Kara Tier 6 update. Everything else I think did not.
I'm not sure how well it would go over with the bean counters, but I would like to see some of the lockbox ships released in a vanilla C-store version, take the Donnie. strip out the hangars, or reduce the hangars to a single, strip out the specialty seating and C-store it. maybe even release the ships with no specialty and no console.
it would be like buying a car, you can get the corolla for 15,000 (stripped, C-store) or buy the nicely equipped as shown in the commercial for 21,000 (Box or Lobi) I would even be happy with a vanilla per toon option, if it were reasonable. OR, instead of a C-store vanilla, a dilithium vanilla, and yes make it overpriced, God knows we need the dilithium sinks.
I certainly hope to see a T6 Star cruiser sometime.
Of the older free level up ship designs, I always liked how big it looked, with lots of windows.
It's basically a flying city, and with the elongated design it's everything a real cruiser should be.
There's already four T6 Star Cruisers. (Though they are the Odyssey types, not the T5 level-up one.)
That is the problem with the way they name things in the game by role, those four are Odysseys which are a totally different ship made for the same star cruiser role, not T6 Star Cruisers using the Emissary style hullform that people have been asking for. Sometimes even when something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it still really isn't a duck (in fact it could be an eagle, they walk in a very similar way to a duck, and they do quack sometimes).
Not all ships of a particular role are interchangeable from a player point of view, there is the space Barbie aspect (for some that is even more important than the functional aspect). For instance not all dreadnaught cruisers are the same, so why would star cruisers be treated any different?
I'm not sure how well it would go over with the bean counters, but I would like to see some of the lockbox ships released in a vanilla C-store version, take the Donnie. strip out the hangars, or reduce the hangars to a single, strip out the specialty seating and C-store it. maybe even release the ships with no specialty and no console.
Unlikely to happen tbh, especially since the Discoprise is in the big Legendary bundle, and on top of that they've said that individual ships don't sell as well as bundles anyway.
I wonder if it'd be released as a mini 'Ship of the Line' bundle, or just a T6?
Honestly, I would prefer it come in a pack along with the HoH'SuS, the Ha'nom, and the Ha'feh.
All four of those ships are what I've liked to call "the splitables" They are all smaller ships that split off from larger ships
-Aquarius(Oddy)
-HoH'SuS(Bortasqu)
-Ha'nom/Ha'feh(Ha'apax)
So it would make sense to do them in a themed cross faction pack.
A "Splitables" pack, and a Dyson pack, would finish off the last of the remaining Klingon and Romulan ships needing a T6 version.
why does everything have to be packs now? why cant a ship just be in the damn store by itself?
why the TRIBBLE do you all keep promoting packs. no wonder TRIBBLE keeps popping up as packs and bundles and TRIBBLE.
give us some single ship buys already, FFS.
Because single ships do poorly in sales for some reason. There are probably outliers involving particularly iconic ships, and the Titan probably sold well due to the accidental cross faction unlock, but overall the bundles sell better than the individual ships. Up until this point though normal C-Store ships that have been in a bundle have also been available separately as well, so most likely they will still be that way in the future.
I wonder if it'd be released as a mini 'Ship of the Line' bundle, or just a T6?
Honestly, I would prefer it come in a pack along with the HoH'SuS, the Ha'nom, and the Ha'feh.
All four of those ships are what I've liked to call "the splitables" They are all smaller ships that split off from larger ships
-Aquarius(Oddy)
-HoH'SuS(Bortasqu)
-Ha'nom/Ha'feh(Ha'apax)
So it would make sense to do them in a themed cross faction pack.
A "Splitables" pack, and a Dyson pack, would finish off the last of the remaining Klingon and Romulan ships needing a T6 version.
I think the Ha'nom/Ha'feh are the only ones that actually have a unique Tier 6 look as the Ha'apax got the Kara Tier 6 update. Everything else I think did not.
I would very much like to see a T6 variant of the Ha'nom and Ha'feh, even if they just use the upper and lower halves of the Kara as the base design.
Yea perhaps it was, still I think the T6 Oberth Light Science Vessel is going to be different than what many suspect. I know Oberth later inspired the earlier Nova design.
"Unofficially, the Nova-class was considered by some of the production staff as the replacement for the Oberth class as research and science platform."
It's possible they thought the Oberth class ships deserved a quality pass, the real question remains if we'll indeed see a T6 Oberth update. Perhaps we will, as it is a unique vessel for sure! Still a part of me believes it's a teaser possibly for T6 Nova, or both...
Given there haven't been a lot of other ZEN ships this last 8 or so months, and the next update is Federation based. All we can do is wait...
It absolutely was.
Lets put it this way, it wasn't the first poll of that nature they ran - as have discussed in the specific thread, they ran one in (October) 2017 too. And every ship except the one that WON that poll has been remodeled.
The poll you refer to, from January had the same result.
And when something of a 'noise' was made about these polls (and the fact they ignored the ship that won both times) here, on the forum, the CM made a very rare appearance to outline the fact that the opinions of a 'vocal minority' (such as those who post on social media/the forum - since stated to be about 2% of the playerbase) don't represent what their metrics indicate the rest of the playerbase want.
As far as they are concerned the Nova class won't make a profit, so they ignore it. And they'll continue to ignore it.
Yeah, honestly they are better off not doing these polls. It's cool to feel like they want the community's feedback, but as pointed out there are really only 2 possibilities:
1: the poll agrees with what they already want to do, so they do it
2: the poll disagrees with what they already want to do, so they don't
In the case of the later, they will just say that the forums represent such a small percent of the playerbase (true) that they cannot let that feedback determine their development decisions. And that's a completely valid and logical view. But in that case...there's no point doing the poll in the first place.
And they haven't actually done any in quite a while, so they have probably come to the same conclusion.
If there is ever a pack made with the T6 Oberth, i am sure it will be named "Made of Explodium" pack.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
I doubt they could find enough single-role safe-area-only follow-up science ships to make a pack up. Even the Federation only made them in the explodium configuration for limited (but unknown) time since by the 2350s (as shown by the Pegasus) they were multi-role like all the other Starfleet ships seen in TNG.
I doubt if the Klingons or the Romulans ever built anything like it unless you count purely civilian vessels (and I have some doubts if they if they even have those, most of their "freighters" seem to be warships with attachments for tanks or pods).
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https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Endeavour_Tactical_Star_Cruiser
They have links to the Science, Operations, and Legendary ones in that link as well.
Yes, for some reason those ships were given the name Star Cruiser. But they're just called that, they have nothing to do with the original design which is really different from the Odysseys (and almost everything else for that matter).
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
That's very cheap criticism anyway. As I've stated elsewhere recently, Forum posts at least contain something of opinions, preferences and substantiations of those.
Their holy 'metrics' actually don't say sh*t most of the time because they actively influence the outcomes of those things they're measuring. If they looked at their metrics, they'd probably draw the conclusion that everyone just loves playing the same patrol 40 times. Which isn't true of course, we're only doing that because they're actively trying to reach that outcome by adding other inputs into the equation (event rewards, and players' willingness to collect those - which they're actually measuring).
Likewise, metrics showing that a ship isn't popular doesn't tell them WHY the ship isn't flown that often. There are tons of reasons that can explain this (like the ship having an outdated model). And it certainly doesn't tell them whether a hypothetical, not-yet existing T6 version of a ship would be popular. Because you can't determine that based on data that's entirely related to an existing thing, it remains speculation to some degree.
So yeah, 'metrics' and related excuses are to be taken with a grain of salt. Anyone with even a basic grasp of how to properly conduct (quantitative) research can understand that their 'metrics' can't actually be used to inform them of the things they use it for - and that the way they use them violates all sorts of requirements for proper conducting of such investigations anyway.
[3/25 10:41][Combat (Self)]Your Haymaker deals 26187 (10692) Physical Damage(Critical) to Orinoco.
I know they reserved the Aquarius Light Escort to have a special feature for Fleets, but they should have freed it when they came up with the 'Fleet' versions of the other ships, esp. when they ended up making the Fleet version of that Fleet purchased ship. I wonder if it'd be released as a mini 'Ship of the Line' bundle, or just a T6?
Agreed
I know they've been waiting for more canon ships to come our way from the TV and movies, but it'd be great if the ship design devs were able to make some more original designs.
I think the Ha'nom/Ha'feh are the only ones that actually have a unique Tier 6 look as the Ha'apax got the Kara Tier 6 update. Everything else I think did not.
it would be like buying a car, you can get the corolla for 15,000 (stripped, C-store) or buy the nicely equipped as shown in the commercial for 21,000 (Box or Lobi) I would even be happy with a vanilla per toon option, if it were reasonable. OR, instead of a C-store vanilla, a dilithium vanilla, and yes make it overpriced, God knows we need the dilithium sinks.
That is the problem with the way they name things in the game by role, those four are Odysseys which are a totally different ship made for the same star cruiser role, not T6 Star Cruisers using the Emissary style hullform that people have been asking for. Sometimes even when something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it still really isn't a duck (in fact it could be an eagle, they walk in a very similar way to a duck, and they do quack sometimes).
Not all ships of a particular role are interchangeable from a player point of view, there is the space Barbie aspect (for some that is even more important than the functional aspect). For instance not all dreadnaught cruisers are the same, so why would star cruisers be treated any different?
Unlikely to happen tbh, especially since the Discoprise is in the big Legendary bundle, and on top of that they've said that individual ships don't sell as well as bundles anyway.
Because single ships do poorly in sales for some reason. There are probably outliers involving particularly iconic ships, and the Titan probably sold well due to the accidental cross faction unlock, but overall the bundles sell better than the individual ships. Up until this point though normal C-Store ships that have been in a bundle have also been available separately as well, so most likely they will still be that way in the future.
I would very much like to see a T6 variant of the Ha'nom and Ha'feh, even if they just use the upper and lower halves of the Kara as the base design.
Yeah, honestly they are better off not doing these polls. It's cool to feel like they want the community's feedback, but as pointed out there are really only 2 possibilities:
1: the poll agrees with what they already want to do, so they do it
2: the poll disagrees with what they already want to do, so they don't
In the case of the later, they will just say that the forums represent such a small percent of the playerbase (true) that they cannot let that feedback determine their development decisions. And that's a completely valid and logical view. But in that case...there's no point doing the poll in the first place.
And they haven't actually done any in quite a while, so they have probably come to the same conclusion.
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I doubt if the Klingons or the Romulans ever built anything like it unless you count purely civilian vessels (and I have some doubts if they if they even have those, most of their "freighters" seem to be warships with attachments for tanks or pods).