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Where does this game stand in terms of canon?
Clearly it's content must be approved. I ask because of Hobus.
Hobus is never named on screen. And now Picard has retconned Hobus's very existence and instead it's the Romulan sun that goes supernova. So then why is Hobus not reconned in the game? Or is Hobus meant to be "the Romulan sun"? Except it's implied that Hobus and the Romulan sun are two different stars.
They have removed npc's from the game because they died on screen. So clearly they don't avoid editing the game when the tv/movie canon changes something.
So why does Hobus still exist in game, and named as the star that kills Romulus? Seems like a big discrepancy, unless the game is its own different reality where Hobus exists and did what it did.
Clearly it's content must be approved. I ask because of Hobus.
Hobus is never named on screen. And now Picard has retconned Hobus's very existence and instead it's the Romulan sun that goes supernova. So then why is Hobus not reconned in the game? Or is Hobus meant to be "the Romulan sun"? Except it's implied that Hobus and the Romulan sun are two different stars.
They have removed npc's from the game because they died on screen. So clearly they don't avoid editing the game when the tv/movie canon changes something.
So why does Hobus still exist in game, and named as the star that kills Romulus? Seems like a big discrepancy, unless the game is its own different reality where Hobus exists and did what it did.
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STO follows canon at the time that episodes are created. I've never heard Cryptic staff say that all existing episodes must be updated immediately to match the recon of the week.
Episodes being re-worked might be changed to match current canon, or not.
Re-working episodes takes time, time that could be spent on creating new content.
PIC did have the opportunity to eliminate the nonsense since the timing would have worked perfectly well had the capital system's star been a distant binary with the stars several light months away from each other, but they apparently chose to go the silly B-grade movie route with the FTL supernova so Hobus is as good as any.
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In terms of continuity it mainly follows the TV/film continuity up until 'Nemesis' then presents an alternate future that doesn't match the KT or PIC.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Simply put, it’s canon until an official source like a show or movie over rides it. People will nit pick and complain because it’s what they do.. but rather they like it or not, it’s canon until an actual canon source says otherwise. In the case of a Movie or TV Show vs the game.. the Show/Movie story is the accepted canon.
It's not canon in the slightest no matter if it's overridden or not. It's a game not a film, TV show, or Web series. There is not soft or hard canon in Trek. There's the canonical works then every other licenced product that's not canon.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Sure, they write this stuff using a license from CBS and close coordination with the writers.. but hey.. some guy on a web forum says it’s not canon so that over rides everything.
When you’re done here, why don’t you lecture us all on what is and isn’t ‘Trek,’ since apparently.. you’re the authority on everything.
All you had to say was that you don't know what canon means and leave it at that. There was no need the then go on further explaining that you don't have a clue.
I suggest you go look it up as you think you know better than CBS as to how they manage their own product.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Canon is completely dictated by what random people on a web forum say. When there is a case of two posters that have different opinions, the person with the higher post count determines canon.
All jokes aside.. one thing that will be universally accepted.. what you see on your screen, rather it's a show or a movie is always the accepted 'canon.' Everything else is debatable.. at best.
Romulus was, according to the '09 movie, destroyed by a massive wavefront from the supernova of the star known as Hobus, a wavefront that endangered the entire quadrant until Spock managed to stop it with a red-matter singularity. How a supernova can be a threat more than a few lightyears away, and how a single singularity (say that five times fast with marbles in your mouth, and you'll never need a dentist again!) could stop it, were not explained in canon. (STO explains the wavefront by blaming it on a device created by the Iconians, and used by their agent Hakeev.) The Iconians did not directly destroy Romulus, as this happened during the period when they were still lying low and working through agents and simulated ships, trying to pit the various forces in the Alpha and Beta quadrants against one another so they'd be weaker when the Heralds struck.
Did you watch the movies, or just read synopses? For that matter, did you play through the relevant story in the Romulan Mystery arc, where you go to Hobus to investigate?
According to an interview with Ron Moore, who was a writer for VOY at the time, this was a choice on the part of Berman and Braga as showrunners. He cited as his reason for leaving the time he brought them a pitch explaining how the crew started making replacements for "irreplaceable" parts, only to be told that this is Star Trek, and he wasn't to worry about such things. (This also explains why when Ron was executive-producing the Battlestar Galactica reboot, he addressed scarcities, and had episodes about how they were dealt with - which generally led down the line to repercussions and developments, like the water shortage from "Water" leading to using convicted criminals as water miners on ice-rich planetoids, which in turn led to former political terrorist Tom Zarek being elected President.)
Ah, the suppose destruction of the Beta Quadrant, first thrown around from Bad Robot supposedly (they wanted to have their own universe outright, and haver no more reference to the old), but that was corrected by CBS supposedly to a star's system sun.
As BR got the film license to use an alternate form of TREK, they were not licensed to redo from scratch of their own making.
Yea, and I think they sometimes do that to leave a little mystery behind it, although I didn't think every fight they used Torp's; but yes they certainly did some of the time. Though several times we did see them trading of exchanging various components, perhaps not weapons directly, yet it's possible Science and Engineering place priorities on items that help them replenish or make the required components or items.
As for your last comment, hopefully you enjoy the Elven kind, made by Vulcan's, though I've heard Romulan's sometimes make a a few more powerful light roast blend. Vulcan's seem to enjoy the Dark variety, I think cause it cuts down on the Caffeine.
Like often wrong Spock, the later shows seem to contradict him a lot, still waiting for Romulans to be savage and warlike, also the fact about Romulan emotions being not as explosive as Captain Kirk's despite Romulans aka Emotional Vulcans refusing to give up their passions and Vulcans claiming that their emotion are more extreme than an average human, to this day I have yet to see a Romulan that can give Kirk a run for his money.