Before Lower Decks muddied the waters on this, the canon on female Gorn was they looked pretty much like a male Gorn, just bigger. So we might actually have female Gorn walking around First City in game as there's several that are bigger than the character generator allows players to be.
This.
Also I'm not sure how much influence the Preservers had with the development of the Tholians either. That species is one of the MOST alien in Trek. Could argue Hortas, but I'm kinda leaning towards species of the space fairing kind right now. Yes Hortas are sentient, but we don't see Horta ships. *shrug* That's a bit of a gray area I think.
Well, the Tholians are an interdimentional species... the Tholian assembly is the same assembly on every paralel dimension, from what i gather, so they could be an anomaly.. and the Horta could be a "newly" developed species.. not guided by the Preservers, and about female Gorn, i don't know where you got that, because as always, not in screen, not canon... (and not even in STO canon)
Doesn't Q have a "nice" pair of lady gorn wriggling their bits when he's parked up on the homeworld?
Those are Fel'Kri..
Or generic aliens for the First City version, and they're male Fek'Ihri not female ones, the generic alien gen characters are female though or at least close enough to look female.
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And then its Elachi on New Romulus if I remember correctly.
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Gorn are definitely divided into male and female who are social equals, that's canon. As far as "assets" (prissy term) canon also tells us (in at least TOS & ENT) they have mammary glands. Older canon also tells us C-section births were common so those glands must be pretty tough.
As far as LD, marriage isn't far-fetched - animals that nurse need an extended protection time to nurture young before they are old enough to feed themselves. The Gorn are socially advanced, the biological imperative would long since have been folded into culture/civilization even if they were short-term contracts.
(I don't watch LD, don't plan to, and as far as I'm concerned it's the last dying breath of the Kelvin timeline that was all about undermining old canon so a new bunch of people could get rich while sidelining the older business partners. I understand it's fun, entertaining, and fine people on both sides like it).
(I'm hardly a purist trekkie, I love the franchise as a low information fan and have since the 1970s. I don't normally care about canon unless it is egregiously violated as since 2009.)
I think the argument could be made that Gorn are a branch of the Voth. The Voth have certainly had enough time to spread out and forgotten about very old colonies. The Gorn could have been an early long abandoned Voth colony as the Voth found their way to a completely different quadrant while the Gorn remained in the same quadrant as Earth. But that's just my speculation I have no idea if that's ever been a story rationale.
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I don't remember anything in canon that shows or states that Gorn have mammalian traits.
(I don't watch LD, don't plan to, and as far as I'm concerned it's the last dying breath of the Kelvin timeline that was all about undermining old canon so a new bunch of people could get rich while sidelining the older business partners. I understand it's fun, entertaining, and fine people on both sides like it).
(I'm hardly a purist trekkie, I love the franchise as a low information fan and have since the 1970s. I don't normally care about canon unless it is egregiously violated as since 2009.)
You DO know that they literally gave us the bone of Alternate Reality in the 09 movie right? So no Canon was violated. Alternate Realities are canon, just look at the Mirror Universe and episodes like the one where Worf was jumping realities and we saw literally hundreds of Enterprises in TNG. The Kelvin Timeline exists in parallel to the Prime Timeline. Nothing was violated.
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As far as I know of the only thing they said about Gorn biology in TOS or ENT was that they were warm blooded, and warm blood alone does not make them mammals, it just means they do not slow down at night when the temperature drops. The LD information about them is new.
As far as I know of the only thing they said about Gorn biology in TOS or ENT was that they were warm blooded, and warm blood alone does not make them mammals, it just means they do not slow down at night when the temperature drops. The LD information about them is new.
SPOCK: Not survivors. Not warm-blooded. Living creatures, but not human.
^^^
So, no, Gorn are not warm blooded reptile based life.
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As far as I know of the only thing they said about Gorn biology in TOS or ENT was that they were warm blooded, and warm blood alone does not make them mammals, it just means they do not slow down at night when the temperature drops. The LD information about them is new.
> @fruitvendor12 said: > I don't understand the disagreement. > > Gorn are definitely divided into male and female who are social equals, that's canon.
It's not. We never saw more than two Gorn up to this point.
>As far as "assets" (prissy term) canon also tells us (in at least TOS & ENT) they have mammary glands.
It doesn't.
>Older canon also tells us C-section births were common
It doesn't
>so those glands must be pretty tough.
That line makes no sense
> (I don't watch LD, don't plan to, and as far as I'm concerned it's the last dying breath of the Kelvin timeline that was all about undermining old canon so a new bunch of people could get rich while sidelining the older business partners. I understand it's fun, entertaining, and fine people on both sides like it).
The show has no connection whatsoever to the Kelvin Timeline
> (I'm hardly a purist trekkie, I love the franchise as a low information fan and have since the 1970s. I don't normally care about canon unless it is egregiously violated as since 2009.)
I think that explains why you throw a lot of stuff together and call things 'canon' that aren't.
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I think the only time I can think of where any kind of birth was discussed was in Into Darkness, where McCoy was telling Carol Marcus that he helped deliver a baby Gorn once. But that is in the Kelvin Timeline. And depending on just how canon the game is set between 2009 and Into Darkness, that was when he did it... in a galaxy controlled by the Gorn and Sulu had stunned a hostile Gorn... only for McCoy to find out it was pregnant. Complained about the baby coming out "all teeth and claws".
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Ok, since we are talking about Gorn Assets. Well, read somewhere that the evolution of Human Assets have very little to do with Milk Production and more to do with Human race preferring Front to Front Mating, so it's not unreasonable to say if a Non-Mammalian species have similar Mating Practices similar assets could develop. Would perfectly explain Saurians.
Tho about Female Gorn. When I played Neverwinter, noticed the Male Dragonborn model is basically the Gorn Model from STO, so they could simply add Female Gorn based on the Female Dragonborn
Gorn are definitely divided into male and female who are social equals, that's canon. As far as "assets" (prissy term) canon also tells us (in at least TOS & ENT) they have mammary glands. Older canon also tells us C-section births were common so those glands must be pretty tough.
I both want to know more, and am terrified of knowing more. Does that make sense?
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Lower Decks is so Prime timeline that it's not even funny. It's probably also the most optimistic Trek since TNG. They may not be the best of the best, but when faced with hard choices, they try to make the right ones.
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Well, the Tholians are an interdimentional species... the Tholian assembly is the same assembly on every paralel dimension, from what i gather, so they could be an anomaly.. and the Horta could be a "newly" developed species.. not guided by the Preservers, and about female Gorn, i don't know where you got that, because as always, not in screen, not canon... (and not even in STO canon)
Those are Fel'Kri..
Or generic aliens for the First City version, and they're male Fek'Ihri not female ones, the generic alien gen characters are female though or at least close enough to look female.
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Gorn are definitely divided into male and female who are social equals, that's canon. As far as "assets" (prissy term) canon also tells us (in at least TOS & ENT) they have mammary glands. Older canon also tells us C-section births were common so those glands must be pretty tough.
As far as LD, marriage isn't far-fetched - animals that nurse need an extended protection time to nurture young before they are old enough to feed themselves. The Gorn are socially advanced, the biological imperative would long since have been folded into culture/civilization even if they were short-term contracts.
(I don't watch LD, don't plan to, and as far as I'm concerned it's the last dying breath of the Kelvin timeline that was all about undermining old canon so a new bunch of people could get rich while sidelining the older business partners. I understand it's fun, entertaining, and fine people on both sides like it).
(I'm hardly a purist trekkie, I love the franchise as a low information fan and have since the 1970s. I don't normally care about canon unless it is egregiously violated as since 2009.)
I think the argument could be made that Gorn are a branch of the Voth. The Voth have certainly had enough time to spread out and forgotten about very old colonies. The Gorn could have been an early long abandoned Voth colony as the Voth found their way to a completely different quadrant while the Gorn remained in the same quadrant as Earth. But that's just my speculation I have no idea if that's ever been a story rationale.
You DO know that they literally gave us the bone of Alternate Reality in the 09 movie right? So no Canon was violated. Alternate Realities are canon, just look at the Mirror Universe and episodes like the one where Worf was jumping realities and we saw literally hundreds of Enterprises in TNG. The Kelvin Timeline exists in parallel to the Prime Timeline. Nothing was violated.
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Per Spock on Gorn from TOS S1 - "Arena":
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/19.htm
^^^
So, no, Gorn are not warm blooded reptile based life.
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It has been a while. I remember the warm blooded comment but apparently forgot it was the negative.
> I don't understand the disagreement.
>
> Gorn are definitely divided into male and female who are social equals, that's canon.
It's not. We never saw more than two Gorn up to this point.
>As far as "assets" (prissy term) canon also tells us (in at least TOS & ENT) they have mammary glands.
It doesn't.
>Older canon also tells us C-section births were common
It doesn't
>so those glands must be pretty tough.
That line makes no sense
> (I don't watch LD, don't plan to, and as far as I'm concerned it's the last dying breath of the Kelvin timeline that was all about undermining old canon so a new bunch of people could get rich while sidelining the older business partners. I understand it's fun, entertaining, and fine people on both sides like it).
The show has no connection whatsoever to the Kelvin Timeline
> (I'm hardly a purist trekkie, I love the franchise as a low information fan and have since the 1970s. I don't normally care about canon unless it is egregiously violated as since 2009.)
I think that explains why you throw a lot of stuff together and call things 'canon' that aren't.
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Tho about Female Gorn. When I played Neverwinter, noticed the Male Dragonborn model is basically the Gorn Model from STO, so they could simply add Female Gorn based on the Female Dragonborn
Lower Decks is so Prime timeline that it's not even funny. It's probably also the most optimistic Trek since TNG. They may not be the best of the best, but when faced with hard choices, they try to make the right ones.