as for the sunglasses, the devs knew damn well vulcans had an inner eyelid, the sunglasses where intended to be a giant "THIS WOMAN MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE A VULCAN" clue
Turns out she is a half Vulcan. "Oh was a Romulan/Vulcan flag officer in the Tal Shiar with the rank of general". Even if we pretend to forget that Romulans still share the same ancestry of Vulcans...
They wanted to put it in as a clue? Do they think the "audience is dumb" so they put some shades on her to hint what we already know of that she is a double agent? Do you know how stupid that sounds. It's far more likely that the writers are either incompetent or they just couldn't care less that they already established she was a double agent in the previous EP "Maps and Legends". Why do they need to hint at something they have already established and revealed in the story? For a undercover agent she sure knows how to blow her own cover in public. Oh right! It's because I am too stupid to understand she is the bad guy! Quick put some sunglasses on her!
Literally every showrunner & writer today in a nut shell. Looking at you Alex Kurtzman, Rian Johnson, JJ Abrams, Chris Chibnall, Akiva Goldsman, Michael Chabon and Kathleen Kennedy.
Oh.... how I miss Sci-fi...
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yup, meanwhile past episodes of star trek had perfec scientific consistancy, yup perfect! you didn't see people turning into Salamanders because they went super fast! you didn't find cracks in event horizens, didn't randomly mutate into species they wheren't actually descended from when a virus reactivated old genes, a bizzare concept of evolution that involves life spontaniously changing.. and plenty of other stuff!
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yup, meanwhile past episodes of star trek had perfec scientific consistancy, yup perfect! you didn't see people turning into Salamanders because they went super fast! you didn't find cracks in event horizens, didn't randomly mutate into species they wheren't actually descended from when a virus reactivated old genes, a bizzare concept of evolution that involves life spontaniously changing.. and plenty of other stuff!
let';s be fair if you apply the same degree of criticism to any trek that you're applying to Picard, it will become very clear very swiftly that you... don't actually like star trek
There is a HUGE difference between attempting to be consistent and also trying to tell a good story and just saying: "TRIBBLE it! I don't care anymore!" stinking attitude of today's writers.
“It felt slightly more renegade; it felt slightly more like, you know, F*** it, I’m going to do the thing that feels right because it does, not because it adheres to something.” - JJ Abrams
or statements like this "We’re now completely free of canon, and we have a whole new universe to explore." - Alex Kurtzman as if to say the canon was the problem and not their TRIBBLE writing.
Edit: btw I ain't toxic hater. I liked some parts of Discovery but I won't pretend it was well written either. So yeah I am going to call out these guys when they do silly stuff like this.
PS. "Threshold" doesn't exist in my eyes. Just like the "Holiday Special". You get truly awful mistakes and then you get intentional mistakes on purpose repeatedly in every episode.
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No, actually, there is no significant difference between what you complain about with PIC and "a crack in the event horizon" or "we can't go over warp 5 or we'll rip space apart - set a course at warp 8.5" or "parallel development means a planet exactly like Earth down to the shapes of the continents and the planetary history except for this event" (a TOS perennial favorite) or... well, you get the picture.
No, actually, there is no significant difference between what you complain about with PIC and "a crack in the event horizon" or "we can't go over warp 5 or we'll rip space apart - set a course at warp 8.5" or "parallel development means a planet exactly like Earth down to the shapes of the continents and the planetary history except for this event" (a TOS perennial favorite) or... well, you get the picture.
Yes, there is significant difference between a writer who makes an effort in their writing and ones like Kurtzman & JJ who think adhering to canon is stupid and believe that it's a "literal impossibility". I don't have problem with mistakes. I have a problem with writers that demonstrate total lack of care and go out of their way to mock fans on a continuing basis. If the Orville is a love letter to Trek then ST:P is the complete opposite of that.
"You get the picture"
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'FELLINI: All right, Kirk. Maybe this will make you laugh. Sabotage, espionage, unauthorised entry, burglary. How are those for starters? And I can think up lots more if you don't start talking. KIRK: All right, Colonel. The truth is, I'm a little green man from Alpha Centauri. A beautiful place. You ought to see it. FELLINI: I am going to lock you up for two hundred years. KIRK: That ought to be just about right.'
Just about right? 1968 + 200 = ~2168
2160 is just ABOUT right, not 2268. Someone mixed up the cast, should have been Captain Archer not Kirk.
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of course, when that episode aired, they had not yet decided on just exactly what century to have star trek be in, only that it was 'in the future' (obviously)
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
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of course, when that episode aired, they had not yet decided on just exactly what century to have star trek be in, only that it was 'in the future' (obviously)
Well @ltminns will be happy to hear that Chabon doesn't like stardates and has dropped them altogether.
"Stardates, in my view, and I know this is going to make some people mad, are a uniquely perverse form of uninformative information," - Michael Chabon
He writes more but I can't be bothered quoting him anymore than I need to. It's painful to listen to the show runners that got handed the keys to the kingdom only to not give two TRIBBLE about it.
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I don't know if the sunglasses was intended to be a clue or not (especially considering her romulaniness was very clear already). I would have said she was trying to look more casual and disarming so as not to intimidate the person she wants to manipulate. A style choice rather than a necessity.
It's worth noting that the writers of TNG would often just put the word "tech" in the script, and have their science guy fill out the appropriate terms. Now, they clearly cared enough to have a science guy doing that, but it makes it clear that as far back as TNG, story took precedence over actual science and that's fine (https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Technobabble).
“It felt slightly more renegade; it felt slightly more like, you know, F*** it, I’m going to do the thing that feels right because it does, not because it adheres to something.” - JJ Abrams
STO already ignored the at-the-time most "canonical" timeline, the books, and was content with just sprinkling in references.
The books were never the most canonal anything. They had the same canon status as all the other games, and comic books did, which is 100% not canon.
I know the books aren't canon, that's why I put quotes around it. The point is, STO could have made the choice to follow the books, and they chose to make their own universe/timeline. So I don't see why they feel that they should suddenly be beholden to the entirely new timeline/version of events that we see in Picard, when it directly contradicts their timeline.
Picard basically just says "haha, turns out it was the Romulan star all along!"
It really doesn't actually. All Picard says was that is was the Romulan sun. Any star in the Romualn Star Empire is a Romulan sun.
Memory Alpha says it's the sun of the Romulan home system, and trying to play "fun with semantics" doesn't change the fact that it is clearly the intent of Picard to say that it is the Romulan home star.
STO already ignored the at-the-time most "canonical" timeline, the books, and was content with just sprinkling in references.
The books were never the most canonal anything. They had the same canon status as all the other games, and comic books did, which is 100% not canon.
I know the books aren't canon, that's why I put quotes around it. The point is, STO could have made the choice to follow the books, and they chose to make their own universe/timeline. So I don't see why they feel that they should suddenly be beholden to the entirely new timeline/version of events that we see in Picard, when it directly contradicts their timeline.
In point of fact, @ambassadorkael#6946 told me when I asked about something related that Cryptic gave CBS their backstory notes when they asked, "we don't know what if anything they used" (it turned out to be next to nothing), and that the higher-ups at Cryptic were just going to declare STO an alternate timeline if PIC deviated significantly.
I know. It served to illustrate how much in common they have with one another. Just like Kurtzman, Chabon and the rest of them. We have Kathleen Kennedy give a moronic speech about how writing for Star Wars is super hard.... "There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels." They have muppets in charge of the writing room and it really shows.
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I don't know if the sunglasses was intended to be a clue or not (especially considering her romulaniness was very clear already). I would have said she was trying to look more casual and disarming so as not to intimidate the person she wants to manipulate. A style choice rather than a necessity.
I'd imagine trying to look casual and disarming/not intimidating while hiding your eyes with dark shades has the opposite effect.
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On that account, Michael Chabon said the following on this post's comment section: "Let me try to be clearer: Oh has read Jurati's psychological profile, and something in it, a tendency in Jurati's relationship to authority figures, has led her to prepare both her manner and her appearance very carefully. [...] This is behavior that cops, soldiers, and teenagers, among others, engage in all the time."
Uh... another Chabon quote...
Did it ever occur to him that being a Vulcan/Romulan (which that alone is more than enough) who is also a military general/Star feet commodore that is CLEARLY already dressed in a uniform more than enough to convey authority and come across as intimidating to Agnes? All she was missing was a security escort armed with phaser rifles.
This is authority ^
or this:
Sorry Chabon, but really cheap tatty sunglasses bought from Walmart to help prepare both her manner and appearance of authority... Not buying that at all. It was cheap way of saying "I AM SECTION 31/TAL SHIAR!!! LOOK AT ME!!! I AM EVVVVVVVIL!!!"
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> @terranempire#7881 said: > I'd imagine trying to look casual and disarming/not intimidating while hiding your eyes with dark shades has the opposite effect.
I guess that's a point of view thing, I don't find sunglasses intimidating at all personally.
> @terranempire#7881 said:
> I'd imagine trying to look casual and disarming/not intimidating while hiding your eyes with dark shades has the opposite effect.
I guess that's a point of view thing, I don't find sunglasses intimidating at all personally.
Have you never heard the phrase "The eyes are the window to the soul"? Why you think bodyguards wear shades to hide their eyes? Because they look cool? No, it because you can't read their motives and it also makes it so you can't tell if they're looking at you.
Irony here being is Vulcans and Romulans are already hard to read... Oh nm... that is OLD Trek. Someone should have told T'Pel to wear sunglasses because she is blowing her cover to blend in.
Oh right!!! Almost forgot... the sunglasses are there intentionally to give her authority... Guess I don't need a star fleet uniform to give the impression I have position of power when sunglasses will do...
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> @terranempire#7881 said: > (Quote) > > Have you never heard the phrase "The eyes are the window to the soul"? Why you think bodyguards wear shades to hide their eyes? Because they look cool? No, it because you can't read their motives and it also makes it so you can't tell if they're looking at you.
I can see the sense in that but I personally am not intimidated by that. A big giant bruiser with arms the size of my head is more than enough to intimidate me... Or make me fall in love.
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> Have you never heard the phrase "The eyes are the window to the soul"? Why you think bodyguards wear shades to hide their eyes? Because they look cool? No, it because you can't read their motives and it also makes it so you can't tell if they're looking at you.
I can see the sense in that but I personally am not intimidated by that. A big giant bruiser with arms the size of my head is more than enough to intimidate me... Or make me fall in love.
Hey Chabon believes teenagers wearing sunglasses automatically gives them a position of authority. Not everything he says makes sense. I am just saying why agents wear them. I am having a hard time explaining how Commodore O is wearing them in a story capacity when she already has a presence of authority and intimidation by being a Vulcan/Romulan agent who has a high ranking position in star fleet HQ.
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I don't know if the sunglasses was intended to be a clue or not (especially considering her romulaniness was very clear already). I would have said she was trying to look more casual and disarming so as not to intimidate the person she wants to manipulate. A style choice rather than a necessity.
Well, the "third eyelid" thing is seemingly something that obscures their vision when it activates. So if they want to see clearly they need sunglasses.
I don't know if the sunglasses was intended to be a clue or not (especially considering her romulaniness was very clear already). I would have said she was trying to look more casual and disarming so as not to intimidate the person she wants to manipulate. A style choice rather than a necessity.
Well, the "third eyelid" thing is seemingly something that obscures their vision when it activates. So if they want to see clearly they need sunglasses.
Tell that to T'Pol who refuses to wear sunglasses on Vulcan. Btw what is your source that it obstructs their vision?
MCCOY: The blindness was temporary, Jim. There's something about his optical nerves which aren't the same as a human's.
SPOCK: An hereditary trait, Captain. The brightness of the Vulcan sun has caused the development of an inner eyelid, which acts as a shield against high-intensity light. Totally instinctive, Doctor. We tend to ignore it, as you ignore your own appendix.
It doesn't look like it obstructs anything. It acts as a filter screen not a bag or a blindfold.
Besides Somtaawkhar already shared Chabon reason for them. They're not there to shield her from the sun (which she would never require) but because it made her look like she had authority that she previously didn't have... (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) to intimidate Agnes...
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cops shouldn't need to wear sunglasses that hide their eyes either because the uniform, and presence of a gun, should be intimidating enough!
Police don't need to wear sunglasses. I've never heard of a law enforcement agency that made sunglasses part of the uniform or required officers to wear them.
Really? How does it work for you? Do you put sunglasses on solely to scare people? There are more reasons for why police wear sunglasses other than it makes them look more threatening. You're just repeating the same 'logic' Chabon wrote. Do you think teenagers look intimidating wearing sunglasses?
Uniforms are generally not intimidating given that people see them every day. This would be especially true in Star Trek.
So let me get this straight... You have never felt intimidated or startled by a police officer that is armed and in full uniform hovering over you out of nowhere while your sitting on the grass enjoying your sandwich and listening to your 2019 CBS branded earbuds? Because you see them everyday? Huh? Are you trying to tell me something Somtaawkhar.
Very sound logic as always Somtaawkhar.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
still find the logic of criticizing the fashion choices of fictional characters to be hilarious.
I have a bigger list of criticisms besides half Vulcans using illogical fashion choices they would never have or wear in order to instil and maintain authority over some human cyberneticist. You know what is even more hilarious? People that refuse to try and counter argue and instead get all worked up about others complaining about complaining.
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That movie really has one of the best music scores I have ever listened to for a western film.
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Turns out she is a half Vulcan. "Oh was a Romulan/Vulcan flag officer in the Tal Shiar with the rank of general". Even if we pretend to forget that Romulans still share the same ancestry of Vulcans...
They wanted to put it in as a clue? Do they think the "audience is dumb" so they put some shades on her to hint what we already know of that she is a double agent? Do you know how stupid that sounds. It's far more likely that the writers are either incompetent or they just couldn't care less that they already established she was a double agent in the previous EP "Maps and Legends". Why do they need to hint at something they have already established and revealed in the story? For a undercover agent she sure knows how to blow her own cover in public. Oh right! It's because I am too stupid to understand she is the bad guy! Quick put some sunglasses on her!
Literally every showrunner & writer today in a nut shell. Looking at you Alex Kurtzman, Rian Johnson, JJ Abrams, Chris Chibnall, Akiva Goldsman, Michael Chabon and Kathleen Kennedy.
Oh.... how I miss Sci-fi...
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There is a HUGE difference between attempting to be consistent and also trying to tell a good story and just saying: "TRIBBLE it! I don't care anymore!" stinking attitude of today's writers.
“It felt slightly more renegade; it felt slightly more like, you know, F*** it, I’m going to do the thing that feels right because it does, not because it adheres to something.” - JJ Abrams
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or statements like this "We’re now completely free of canon, and we have a whole new universe to explore." - Alex Kurtzman as if to say the canon was the problem and not their TRIBBLE writing.
Edit: btw I ain't toxic hater. I liked some parts of Discovery but I won't pretend it was well written either. So yeah I am going to call out these guys when they do silly stuff like this.
PS. "Threshold" doesn't exist in my eyes. Just like the "Holiday Special". You get truly awful mistakes and then you get intentional mistakes on purpose repeatedly in every episode.
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Yes, there is significant difference between a writer who makes an effort in their writing and ones like Kurtzman & JJ who think adhering to canon is stupid and believe that it's a "literal impossibility". I don't have problem with mistakes. I have a problem with writers that demonstrate total lack of care and go out of their way to mock fans on a continuing basis. If the Orville is a love letter to Trek then ST:P is the complete opposite of that.
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'FELLINI: All right, Kirk. Maybe this will make you laugh. Sabotage, espionage, unauthorised entry, burglary. How are those for starters? And I can think up lots more if you don't start talking.
KIRK: All right, Colonel. The truth is, I'm a little green man from Alpha Centauri. A beautiful place. You ought to see it.
FELLINI: I am going to lock you up for two hundred years.
KIRK: That ought to be just about right.'
Just about right? 1968 + 200 = ~2168
2160 is just ABOUT right, not 2268. Someone mixed up the cast, should have been Captain Archer not Kirk.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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Well @ltminns will be happy to hear that Chabon doesn't like stardates and has dropped them altogether.
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He writes more but I can't be bothered quoting him anymore than I need to. It's painful to listen to the show runners that got handed the keys to the kingdom only to not give two TRIBBLE about it.
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He said that about Star Wars.
I know the books aren't canon, that's why I put quotes around it. The point is, STO could have made the choice to follow the books, and they chose to make their own universe/timeline. So I don't see why they feel that they should suddenly be beholden to the entirely new timeline/version of events that we see in Picard, when it directly contradicts their timeline.
Memory Alpha says it's the sun of the Romulan home system, and trying to play "fun with semantics" doesn't change the fact that it is clearly the intent of Picard to say that it is the Romulan home star.
In point of fact, @ambassadorkael#6946 told me when I asked about something related that Cryptic gave CBS their backstory notes when they asked, "we don't know what if anything they used" (it turned out to be next to nothing), and that the higher-ups at Cryptic were just going to declare STO an alternate timeline if PIC deviated significantly.
...THEN THE WINGED HUSSARS ARRIVED!
I know. It served to illustrate how much in common they have with one another. Just like Kurtzman, Chabon and the rest of them. We have Kathleen Kennedy give a moronic speech about how writing for Star Wars is super hard.... "There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels." They have muppets in charge of the writing room and it really shows.
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I'd imagine trying to look casual and disarming/not intimidating while hiding your eyes with dark shades has the opposite effect.
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Did it ever occur to him that being a Vulcan/Romulan (which that alone is more than enough) who is also a military general/Star feet commodore that is CLEARLY already dressed in a uniform more than enough to convey authority and come across as intimidating to Agnes? All she was missing was a security escort armed with phaser rifles.
This is authority ^
or this:
Sorry Chabon, but really cheap tatty sunglasses bought from Walmart to help prepare both her manner and appearance of authority... Not buying that at all. It was cheap way of saying "I AM SECTION 31/TAL SHIAR!!! LOOK AT ME!!! I AM EVVVVVVVIL!!!"
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> I'd imagine trying to look casual and disarming/not intimidating while hiding your eyes with dark shades has the opposite effect.
I guess that's a point of view thing, I don't find sunglasses intimidating at all personally.
Have you never heard the phrase "The eyes are the window to the soul"? Why you think bodyguards wear shades to hide their eyes? Because they look cool? No, it because you can't read their motives and it also makes it so you can't tell if they're looking at you.
Irony here being is Vulcans and Romulans are already hard to read... Oh nm... that is OLD Trek. Someone should have told T'Pel to wear sunglasses because she is blowing her cover to blend in.
Oh right!!! Almost forgot... the sunglasses are there intentionally to give her authority... Guess I don't need a star fleet uniform to give the impression I have position of power when sunglasses will do...
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> Have you never heard the phrase "The eyes are the window to the soul"? Why you think bodyguards wear shades to hide their eyes? Because they look cool? No, it because you can't read their motives and it also makes it so you can't tell if they're looking at you.
I can see the sense in that but I personally am not intimidated by that. A big giant bruiser with arms the size of my head is more than enough to intimidate me... Or make me fall in love.
Hey Chabon believes teenagers wearing sunglasses automatically gives them a position of authority. Not everything he says makes sense. I am just saying why agents wear them. I am having a hard time explaining how Commodore O is wearing them in a story capacity when she already has a presence of authority and intimidation by being a Vulcan/Romulan agent who has a high ranking position in star fleet HQ.
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Tell that to T'Pol who refuses to wear sunglasses on Vulcan. Btw what is your source that it obstructs their vision?
It doesn't look like it obstructs anything. It acts as a filter screen not a bag or a blindfold.
Besides Somtaawkhar already shared Chabon reason for them. They're not there to shield her from the sun (which she would never require) but because it made her look like she had authority that she previously didn't have... (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) to intimidate Agnes...
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Reality? What you on about now. I am criticising their awful writing not throwing them across the room. Way to over dramatise it.
You still can ignore everyone that 'offends' you by simply not responding or use the forum extension it has a BLOCK feature. Ignorance is bliss...
Backwards logic? Ok, let's have a look at yours.
Police don't need to wear sunglasses. I've never heard of a law enforcement agency that made sunglasses part of the uniform or required officers to wear them.
Really? How does it work for you? Do you put sunglasses on solely to scare people? There are more reasons for why police wear sunglasses other than it makes them look more threatening. You're just repeating the same 'logic' Chabon wrote. Do you think teenagers look intimidating wearing sunglasses?
So let me get this straight... You have never felt intimidated or startled by a police officer that is armed and in full uniform hovering over you out of nowhere while your sitting on the grass enjoying your sandwich and listening to your 2019 CBS branded earbuds? Because you see them everyday? Huh? Are you trying to tell me something Somtaawkhar.
Very sound logic as always Somtaawkhar.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes
My character Tsin'xing
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I have a bigger list of criticisms besides half Vulcans using illogical fashion choices they would never have or wear in order to instil and maintain authority over some human cyberneticist. You know what is even more hilarious? People that refuse to try and counter argue and instead get all worked up about others complaining about complaining.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
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That movie really has one of the best music scores I have ever listened to for a western film.
"When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." - Captain Janeway
#Support Mirror Universe I.S.S. Prefixes