While I understand that these ships were in TV and Movies. These 3 ships seems to be missing for the fight against the Queen ship. The Enterprise B, C, and Ugly J. If ya going to do an Enterprise Legacy, these ships should be included. Other then that good job Cryptic.
Well they also had the Defiant, Voyager and Discovery. So I think it was more a lineup of hero ships from the various shows, rather than just Enterprises.
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I'd have to agree. Seems to be ships that were the primary focus.
If that's true... looks like no HMS Bounty. That would have at least given something to the KDF. Maybe a B'Rel Pilot BoP or something like that.
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99% agreed with the above posters. The lone exception being the Ambassador as we just got it revamped like a year or so ago.
- Excelsior with a better boff layout (heck, make it a miracle worker while we're at it)
- B'rel with pilot maneuvers
- D'Deridex with miracle worker or intel
- K'vort with miracle worker (will never happen but is a personal dream of mine)
- Romulan D7
- Negh'var with miracle worker and more tactical focused boff layout
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We also need a Keldon but as a warship just like the show. Both the Keldon and D'Deridex were warships on the show but in the game they were made like cruisers.
We also need a Keldon but as a warship just like the show. Both the Keldon and D'Deridex were warships on the show but in the game they were made like cruisers.
you realize a cruiser is actually a type of warship yeah?
Who ever said anything about an Enterprise Legacy?
The 'Legacy' refers to the legacy of the Star Trek Franchise and those are the main ships in their respective series. I'm personally a huge fan of the Enterprise B, but would never expect it to be included, these ships played very small roles on screen.
It made sense to only include the ships that were on the screen for more than one movie/episode or even a few seconds during one episode (as much as I like the Universe class, there was little reason to expect it to appear here).
We also need a Keldon but as a warship just like the show. Both the Keldon and D'Deridex were warships on the show but in the game they were made like cruisers.
you realize a cruiser is actually a type of warship yeah?
In this game warships are given a more tactical bias, also those two ships didn't get made like warships they were pretty under powered, slow and more basic cruiser like.
I'd have to agree. Seems to be ships that were the primary focus.
If that's true... looks like no HMS Bounty. That would have at least given something to the KDF. Maybe a B'Rel Pilot BoP or something like that.
I'm guessing, IF, Cryptic even considered non-Fed ships & a B'rel with Pilot ability was mentioned then that D4x probably was mentioned too since I think that fits the description.
At this point, I'm just shrugging my shoulders at this bundle like the Picard one. I'm interested in what further reveals will show for this bundle but doubt it will change my mind not to buy.
> @foppotee#4552 said: > (Quote) > > The Enterprise J is the flying space pizza-cutter correct?
Funny, one of the 'presents' I was given when I retired was a Constitution Enterprise Pizza Cutter. Works fine.
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Who ever said anything about an Enterprise Legacy?
The 'Legacy' refers to the legacy of the Star Trek Franchise and those are the main ships in their respective series. I'm personally a huge fan of the Enterprise B, but would never expect it to be included, these ships played very small roles on screen.
The choices made were the appropriate ones.
Yeah it's was "main ship for each series" since last I check the Defiant, the Voyager or the Discovery wouldn't could as "Enterprise" yet all 3 were present.
This whole "Enterprise" as key was the a complete joke as far as I am concerned... The Ent that Kirk was on was not a flagship or anything major... it was a regular ship of the line sent out on a 5 year exploration mission... basically they kicked Kirk out to the boonies for being Kirk. With Next Gen making the Ent the flagship was dumb... did it start out that way in Mission to Farpoint?
I would of given the prequel Ent a better shot if the show/ship wasnt called Enterprise... all this recon tying everything together makes the universe so much smaller. I could give em having a Vulcan on board to oversee things to make sure we humans dont shot ourselves in the foot by starting a war... but having an alien doctor? that was pushing things to far outside of realm of possibilities.
having a crew with mixed species was outside the norm... they didnt have diversity. A Fed ship was crewed by Andorians, a Fed ship was crewed by Vulcans... it wasnt mixed nor did they have token representation on board.
I would love it if the next show had a ship with a non english name... Chinese Russian Korean Yiddish I dont care... just not an English/Latin based name/word. /rant off sorry had to get that off with the missing Enterprises.
the problem isn't even english names but American names you so rarely see ships named after say british ships. which is a damn shame. I've often thought that trek's American centric view has blinded them to some ship names that Trek absolutely should have. I can't imagine for example that starfleet wouldn't have a USS (Lester Pearson. The man was the father of peacekeeping. But he was a Canadian so the American writers of trek have never heard of him
I would love it if the next show had a ship with a non english name... Chinese Russian Korean Yiddish I dont care... just not an English/Latin based name/word. /rant off sorry had to get that off with the missing Enterprises.
The Shenzhou was not named after an English word and it was the main ship for a couple of episodes. It's Chinese for "Land Of Divine," although I am not sure offhand which Chinese because they have, like, five different major languages.
This whole "Enterprise" as key was the a complete joke as far as I am concerned... The Ent that Kirk was on was not a flagship or anything major...
You are mistaken, even back in TOS, the Enterprise was the flagship of the Federation. The Enterprise always has been.
when was that? you dont send a flagship out on a 5 year mission to the boonies to explore. I dont recall that from the Cage or the TV show when I was watching the reruns back in the 80s ever stated the Ent was a flagship of the Starfleet/Fed.
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Also we did have a Galaxy class named after the biggest Japanese Battleship in WW2, Yamato. And Al-Batani is actually named after an Arab prince and astronomer.
Also USS Yamaguchi was at Wolf 359, alongside the USS Kyushu. Both Japanese in origin.
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the problem isn't even english names but American names you so rarely see ships named after say british ships. which is a damn shame. I've often thought that trek's American centric view has blinded them to some ship names that Trek absolutely should have. I can't imagine for example that starfleet wouldn't have a USS (Lester Pearson. The man was the father of peacekeeping. But he was a Canadian so the American writers of trek have never heard of him
British names are often the same as American names. In fact, all of the hero ships in the franchise have names also used by the British.
This whole "Enterprise" as key was the a complete joke as far as I am concerned... The Ent that Kirk was on was not a flagship or anything major... it was a regular ship of the line sent out on a 5 year exploration mission... basically they kicked Kirk out to the boonies for being Kirk. With Next Gen making the Ent the flagship was dumb... did it start out that way in Mission to Farpoint?
Yes, Enterprise has always been the Federation flagship.
I would of given the prequel Ent a better shot if the show/ship wasnt called Enterprise... all this recon tying everything together makes the universe so much smaller. I could give em having a Vulcan on board to oversee things to make sure we humans dont shot ourselves in the foot by starting a war... but having an alien doctor? that was pushing things to far outside of realm of possibilities.
having a crew with mixed species was outside the norm... they didnt have diversity. A Fed ship was crewed by Andorians, a Fed ship was crewed by Vulcans... it wasnt mixed nor did they have token representation on board.
Dr. Phlox was part of a medical exchange program, that's why he was on board a Starfleet ship.
I would love it if the next show had a ship with a non english name... Chinese Russian Korean Yiddish I dont care... just not an English/Latin based name/word. /rant off sorry had to get that off with the missing Enterprises.
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the problem isn't even english names but American names you so rarely see ships named after say british ships. which is a damn shame. I've often thought that trek's American centric view has blinded them to some ship names that Trek absolutely should have. I can't imagine for example that starfleet wouldn't have a USS (Lester Pearson. The man was the father of peacekeeping. But he was a Canadian so the American writers of trek have never heard of him
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In regards to ship names, some names like "Defiant" or "Voyager" (or the "Enterprise") are concept not really unique to USA, also English seems to be the "official main" language of the Federation so such names would be in English unless the concept cannot be accurately expressed in English (for example the Finnish concept of "sisu" which doesn't have a direct translation).
Also regards to sending the Enterprise into the frontier, exploring the frontier is the primary mission of Starfleet and has always been so those 5 year exploration missions are prestige assignments not punishments. For Starfleet a punishment assignment would be having Kirk command a beaten old NX-class patrolling the trade route between Earth and Vulcan, aka something that would be boring and practically pointless where said officer had more or less 0 chance of doing anything meaningful. That or command a minor listening post in the coreworlds due the same reasons.
Starfleet isn't and has never been mainly a military organization, but rather an exploration and scientific organization with some military and peacekeeping duties.
star trek adventures suggests that the term flagship has also changed, as admirals mostly are based off starbases a flagship is no longer the ship that flies an admirals flag but basicly the shop that has the best performance etc. So the "flag ship" is starfleets way of saying the "best rated" ship. to use a WW2 analogy, HMS Warspite would be classed as the "flagship of the royal navy" via this method. Of course this raises the question as to why the enterprise even when brand new is the flagship, my theory, by adding a letter to the registry, instead of giving it a new one, the enterprise got to keep it's old honors
This whole "Enterprise" as key was the a complete joke as far as I am concerned... The Ent that Kirk was on was not a flagship or anything major...
You are mistaken, even back in TOS, the Enterprise was the flagship of the Federation. The Enterprise always has been.
No, back when the show was run by Roddenberry (who actually knew military terminology) a flagship was a command ship with an admiral aboard. Technically, while admiral Kirk was aboard Enterprise (and when he was still an admiral) it could actually have been called a "flagship", but it would not be one under captain Kirk. After TOS/TAS the Enterprise and the TOS crew were put on a pedestal by the movie division and the term "flagship" was a form of fanservice revolving on that pedestal which carried over to TNG and the rest.
In TMP they first used the word flagship because the script was originally the pilot script for Phase II where the captain was Decker, not Kirk. Whenever admiral Kirk wanted to take care of something personally he would take mission command of the Enterprise (Decker would still be the captain), a practice known as planting his flag on the ship. Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea used the same setup, though admiral Nelson used the submarine as his permanent HQ (and tended to micromanage on top of that).
We also need a Keldon but as a warship just like the show. Both the Keldon and D'Deridex were warships on the show but in the game they were made like cruisers.
Can't really compare ship classifications between the shows/in game...may ships were considered Cruisers on the shows, even the B'rel could fit the role of Cruiser.
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A Commodore could also be in charge of a Command. That Rank is now back in Canon per Picard Episode 2.
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We also need a Keldon but as a warship just like the show. Both the Keldon and D'Deridex were warships on the show but in the game they were made like cruisers.
Can't really compare ship classifications between the shows/in game...may ships were considered Cruisers on the shows, even the B'rel could fit the role of Cruiser.
The Klingon cruiser that looked like a B'rel was not a B'rel, it was a full sized cruiser that had very similar looks to a B'rel (of course the real-world reason was that they did not want go though the expense of designing and building another Klingon ship model at that point and just slightly modified the B'rel model to represent the Pagh (which has since been identified as a K'vort class) instead.
Rick Sternbach clarified the situation when he said that officially they have two Klingon BoP classes at the time of TNG, the B'rel at 157.76 meters long, and the K'vort at 678.36 meters. The smaller 109 meter scout ship class that Kirk captured one of and renamed "Bounty" was apparently not in normal operation by that time (nor is it the B'rel according to the length Sternbach gives), though several scenes suggest that they dug some out of mothballs along with a few D7s during the Dominion war (and according to the blueprints given the modelers for ST3 that ship was officially 109 meters though they were a bit sloppy in shooting and compositing which made it look different sizes in that and the following movie).
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If that's true... looks like no HMS Bounty. That would have at least given something to the KDF. Maybe a B'Rel Pilot BoP or something like that.
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- Excelsior with a better boff layout (heck, make it a miracle worker while we're at it)
- B'rel with pilot maneuvers
- D'Deridex with miracle worker or intel
- K'vort with miracle worker (will never happen but is a personal dream of mine)
- Romulan D7
- Negh'var with miracle worker and more tactical focused boff layout
you realize a cruiser is actually a type of warship yeah?
Who ever said anything about an Enterprise Legacy?
The 'Legacy' refers to the legacy of the Star Trek Franchise and those are the main ships in their respective series. I'm personally a huge fan of the Enterprise B, but would never expect it to be included, these ships played very small roles on screen.
The choices made were the appropriate ones.
The Enterprise J is the flying space pizza-cutter correct?
I'm guessing, IF, Cryptic even considered non-Fed ships & a B'rel with Pilot ability was mentioned then that D4x probably was mentioned too since I think that fits the description.
At this point, I'm just shrugging my shoulders at this bundle like the Picard one. I'm interested in what further reveals will show for this bundle but doubt it will change my mind not to buy.
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> The Enterprise J is the flying space pizza-cutter correct?
Funny, one of the 'presents' I was given when I retired was a Constitution Enterprise Pizza Cutter. Works fine.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Yeah it's was "main ship for each series" since last I check the Defiant, the Voyager or the Discovery wouldn't could as "Enterprise" yet all 3 were present.
I would of given the prequel Ent a better shot if the show/ship wasnt called Enterprise... all this recon tying everything together makes the universe so much smaller. I could give em having a Vulcan on board to oversee things to make sure we humans dont shot ourselves in the foot by starting a war... but having an alien doctor? that was pushing things to far outside of realm of possibilities.
having a crew with mixed species was outside the norm... they didnt have diversity. A Fed ship was crewed by Andorians, a Fed ship was crewed by Vulcans... it wasnt mixed nor did they have token representation on board.
I would love it if the next show had a ship with a non english name... Chinese Russian Korean Yiddish I dont care... just not an English/Latin based name/word. /rant off sorry had to get that off with the missing Enterprises.
The Shenzhou was not named after an English word and it was the main ship for a couple of episodes. It's Chinese for "Land Of Divine," although I am not sure offhand which Chinese because they have, like, five different major languages.
when was that? you dont send a flagship out on a 5 year mission to the boonies to explore. I dont recall that from the Cage or the TV show when I was watching the reruns back in the 80s ever stated the Ent was a flagship of the Starfleet/Fed.
Also USS Yamaguchi was at Wolf 359, alongside the USS Kyushu. Both Japanese in origin.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Al-Batani
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Yamato
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Yamaguchi
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Kyushu
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Yes, Enterprise has always been the Federation flagship.
Dr. Phlox was part of a medical exchange program, that's why he was on board a Starfleet ship.
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Also regards to sending the Enterprise into the frontier, exploring the frontier is the primary mission of Starfleet and has always been so those 5 year exploration missions are prestige assignments not punishments. For Starfleet a punishment assignment would be having Kirk command a beaten old NX-class patrolling the trade route between Earth and Vulcan, aka something that would be boring and practically pointless where said officer had more or less 0 chance of doing anything meaningful. That or command a minor listening post in the coreworlds due the same reasons.
Starfleet isn't and has never been mainly a military organization, but rather an exploration and scientific organization with some military and peacekeeping duties.
No, back when the show was run by Roddenberry (who actually knew military terminology) a flagship was a command ship with an admiral aboard. Technically, while admiral Kirk was aboard Enterprise (and when he was still an admiral) it could actually have been called a "flagship", but it would not be one under captain Kirk. After TOS/TAS the Enterprise and the TOS crew were put on a pedestal by the movie division and the term "flagship" was a form of fanservice revolving on that pedestal which carried over to TNG and the rest.
In TMP they first used the word flagship because the script was originally the pilot script for Phase II where the captain was Decker, not Kirk. Whenever admiral Kirk wanted to take care of something personally he would take mission command of the Enterprise (Decker would still be the captain), a practice known as planting his flag on the ship. Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea used the same setup, though admiral Nelson used the submarine as his permanent HQ (and tended to micromanage on top of that).
Can't really compare ship classifications between the shows/in game...may ships were considered Cruisers on the shows, even the B'rel could fit the role of Cruiser.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
The Klingon cruiser that looked like a B'rel was not a B'rel, it was a full sized cruiser that had very similar looks to a B'rel (of course the real-world reason was that they did not want go though the expense of designing and building another Klingon ship model at that point and just slightly modified the B'rel model to represent the Pagh (which has since been identified as a K'vort class) instead.
Rick Sternbach clarified the situation when he said that officially they have two Klingon BoP classes at the time of TNG, the B'rel at 157.76 meters long, and the K'vort at 678.36 meters. The smaller 109 meter scout ship class that Kirk captured one of and renamed "Bounty" was apparently not in normal operation by that time (nor is it the B'rel according to the length Sternbach gives), though several scenes suggest that they dug some out of mothballs along with a few D7s during the Dominion war (and according to the blueprints given the modelers for ST3 that ship was officially 109 meters though they were a bit sloppy in shooting and compositing which made it look different sizes in that and the following movie).