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The horrible boff training system

mauiddeeb#6429 mauiddeeb
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edited September 2023 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
The boff training system is terrible. Why can't we simply click on a training manual in our inventory and get a list of all boffs who are able to learn the training? Instead, we are forced to activate a ship with the appropriate bridge officer slot for the training manual (if the training is commander level, you need a ship with a boff slot high enough for the boff to learn the training, and then flip through the various boffs to find ones who can learn the training. And this has to be done for each type of training, tactical, engineering, science, plus the specializations like miracle worker, pilot, temporal operative, etc. This is a horrible and onerous process. If I could click on a training manual and get a list of all boffs capable of learning the training, then I could select which one I'd like to learn it without the need to load ships and page through each training level swapping out the boffs and ships to find the ones who can learn a particular training.
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    you don't have to load ships. you can do it from the boff's skills panel.
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,919 Arc User
    Agreed with Sheldon. Just go to the BOFF's skill panel. Then go through each BOFF to see which one will best use that particular manual. No need to load ships at all.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,712 Arc User
    I think it's fine as it is.

    I want specific boffs to learn specific ground or space skills, I don't try to use up every manual I get as soon as I get it just because it's there.
  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan
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    the old system was even worse - be thankful for the current one, whatever flaws it may have​​
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,078 Community Moderator
    Yeah, OP, you are definitely going about it in the most unnecessarily complicated way possible.
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  • mauiddeeb#6429 mauiddeeb
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    If you have a training manual for a commander level anything, then you have to have the boff slotted in a position that allows for that level of training. If I have a tactical commander level training manual and an engineering commander level training manual, but I do not have crew stations on my ship for these levels in both tracks, I have to swap ships. If there is another, better way to do it, I would be very thrilled to learn it.

    And I like to use up my training manuals to both get my crew trained up and to clear them from inventory.

    I will look for some way in the skills area instead of the crew stations. But I think it is the only place to access boff training manuals. And I still say turning it around and allowing the training manual to be the trigger item by clicking 'use' on the training manual should bring up a list of all my boffs capable of learning it. Then I can quickly run through my training manuals to dole them out in one pass.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,078 Community Moderator
    After doing some checking, the OP plays on PS4, and apparently they do have to use a convoluted way of training BOFF abilities that requires switching ships to access the various levels of BOFF abilities. Basically, the ship has to have a LtCmdr Engineering seat in order to access LtCmdr level Engineering abilities to train the Engineering BOFF.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,712 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    baddmoonrizin wrote: »
    After doing some checking, the OP plays on PS4, and apparently they do have to use a convoluted way of training BOFF abilities that requires switching ships to access the various levels of BOFF abilities. Basically, the ship has to have a LtCmdr Engineering seat in order to access LtCmdr level Engineering abilities to train the Engineering BOFF.

    Makes sense. But there is no reason to train a boff in a skill until they are stationed on a ship that has the correct seating.

    If you are flying a tac escort right now, there is no reason to train your science boff on Tyken's Rift III yet since they can't use it until you change ships. When you do change to actively using a ship with commander science then you train them.

    (Actually there is one possible reason to pre-train: freeing up bank slots.)
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,417 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    On the contrary OP the Boff training system is very very good. The old system was horrible, beyond all belief, this new system is great.

    As someone who at least can't remember what old system was like, you mind giving the cliff notes version of what it was like?
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    azrael605 wrote: »
    On the contrary OP the Boff training system is very very good. The old system was horrible, beyond all belief, this new system is great.

    As someone who at least can't remember what old system was like, you mind giving the cliff notes version of what it was like?
    Much like the current one... except your boffs forgot a skill each time they learned a skill.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    Agreed with echatty, who agreed with Sheldon: there's absolutely no need to load ships first.

    My initial misgivings despite (I feared Bort would break the system, LOL), the new boff training system is superior to what we used to have. If you're doing it 'right', then, under the new paradigm, you will only ever use a handful of boffs that you trained up with all possible skills you might need. Like I have 1 main SRO Science officer, who knows almost everything (including all the fancy lockbox skills). And then like 1 spare, for the extra HE1 or something. For Tact, I only have like 3 of such main boffs. And same for engineering, of course.

    So, when I want to teach a new skill to a boff, I don't have to go thru all my boffs (I still have a full roster, from before): I already almost immediately know which ones will be trained.

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  • lasoniolasonio Member Posts: 490 Arc User
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Agreed with echatty, who agreed with Sheldon: there's absolutely no need to load ships first.

    My initial misgivings despite (I feared Bort would break the system, LOL), the new boff training system is superior to what we used to have. If you're doing it 'right', then, under the new paradigm, you will only ever use a handful of boffs that you trained up with all possible skills you might need. Like I have 1 main SRO Science officer, who knows almost everything (including all the fancy lockbox skills). And then like 1 spare, for the extra HE1 or something. For Tact, I only have like 3 of such main boffs. And same for engineering, of course.

    So, when I want to teach a new skill to a boff, I don't have to go thru all my boffs (I still have a full roster, from before): I already almost immediately know which ones will be trained.

    Tl;dr: WAI, to its fullest.

    Well that's true but it seems the OP is talking about playing on a console not on a desktop and from what I can see from trying it on console to test it, it really is TRIBBLE backwards and I cant seem to even access the skill list unless I switch around the ships and it pops up in stations. Yeah seems pretty bad.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    lasonio wrote: »
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    Agreed with echatty, who agreed with Sheldon: there's absolutely no need to load ships first.

    My initial misgivings despite (I feared Bort would break the system, LOL), the new boff training system is superior to what we used to have. If you're doing it 'right', then, under the new paradigm, you will only ever use a handful of boffs that you trained up with all possible skills you might need. Like I have 1 main SRO Science officer, who knows almost everything (including all the fancy lockbox skills). And then like 1 spare, for the extra HE1 or something. For Tact, I only have like 3 of such main boffs. And same for engineering, of course.

    So, when I want to teach a new skill to a boff, I don't have to go thru all my boffs (I still have a full roster, from before): I already almost immediately know which ones will be trained.

    Tl;dr: WAI, to its fullest.

    Well that's true but it seems the OP is talking about playing on a console not on a desktop and from what I can see from trying it on console to test it, it really is TRIBBLE backwards and I cant seem to even access the skill list unless I switch around the ships and it pops up in stations. Yeah seems pretty bad.


    Yeah, I read BMR's response later. Pretty weird and convoluted indeed how they set it up on console.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,730 Community Moderator
    markhawkman wrote: »
    spiritborn wrote: »
    azrael605 wrote: »
    On the contrary OP the Boff training system is very very good. The old system was horrible, beyond all belief, this new system is great.

    As someone who at least can't remember what old system was like, you mind giving the cliff notes version of what it was like?
    Much like the current one... except your boffs forgot a skill each time they learned a skill.

    And if you wanted multiple builds for different ships, you needed a crapton of BOffs to accomidate that. So if you wanted a beam build, a cannon build, and a Science build for three different ships, You needed at least 15 BOffs all with the relevant abilities. Now... all BOffs can learn all abilities so you really only need 5, maybe 7-8 depending on BOff layouts, and have plenty of room to pick up special BOffs like the free Command/Engie Kobali from Dust to Dust.
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5
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    OP, why not start with the Boff?

    Choose a boff that can fit on your ship, and then look at which abilities you want.
  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5
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    shadowfang240 wrote: »
    the old system was even worse - be thankful for the current one, whatever flaws it may have​​

    Yup.

    The system we currently have is a thousand times better than the previous one.
  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    I think a lot of the game could use some UI improvements. Boffs are one of many areas that I'd include on that.
  • duasynduasyn Member Posts: 492 Arc User
    edited January 2020
    While it could be a smoother and easier system, its not bad... if you are doing a power here or there. But it does get annoying if you train up a new boff from scratch and want to give it most/all the powers. Like when I was training my Vanguard Jem-hadar. Good Lord that was a long process! :|

    If we could get a comprehensive training manual that trained them in every power in a specialty that'd be good. Even if they were subdivided to be like Lt.Commander Space Temporal manual. At least then you'd only need 8 manuals to train up a specialty for all ground/space instead of the dozens we have now.
    foxrockssocks wrote: »
    I think a lot of the game could use some UI improvements. Boffs are one of many areas that I'd include on that.

    Yup, a 10yr old game will have issues like that just due to age. Same with FFXIV. It's also 10yrs old and is an even clunkier UI in many respects.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    markhawkman wrote: »
    spiritborn wrote: »
    azrael605 wrote: »
    On the contrary OP the Boff training system is very very good. The old system was horrible, beyond all belief, this new system is great.

    As someone who at least can't remember what old system was like, you mind giving the cliff notes version of what it was like?
    Much like the current one... except your boffs forgot a skill each time they learned a skill.
    Each boff could only have one boff power of each rank at a time. One Ensign, Lieutenant, Lt Commander and Commander. Assuming you wanted to run FAW3, you needed to find an unbound bridge officer that already had FAW3 and consume/destroy that unbound boff to train your existing boff.

    Oh but now you want to use TS3 on your FAW3 boff? Well guess what? You now need to hunt down a TS3 boff that you can use to train your boff that's trained in FAW3. And worst of all, your boff now loses it's ability to use FAW3. FREAKING RIDICULOUS.

    If you wanted certain skills like RSP3, you needed a trusted player to TRADE YOUR BOFF TO and have them train that boff for you and hope to god that they trade it back to you.

    And forget about specialization skills like intel. Those skills only worked on special boffs that had them unlocked. You couldn't just train them on whichever boff you wanted.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,730 Community Moderator
    duasyn wrote: »
    Yup, a 10yr old game will have issues like that just due to age. Same with FFXIV. It's also 10yrs old and is an even clunkier UI in many respects.

    On the other hand... bigger budget and bigger Dev Team.
    Wish STO had the budget FF14 has, because dang... that would be so beautiful. The physics, the animations...
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