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  • fred26291#2759 fred26291 Member Posts: 1,260 Arc User
    Lets face it, Mudds Market can only be purchased when there is an 80%off SALE. Otherwise its not worth the price its listed for.
    For some of that stuff even 80% off is still too expensive.
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    edited May 2020
    The Phoenix Epic Token is only the 1 & for only 1 character correct?

    The 3 "special" ships: Amarie, Temporal Destroyer(s), & Temporal Science Vessel(s) are account-wide unlocks correct? I'd personally choose this option since I don't own any of those ships but even at the introductory price it seems a bit high, but that is subjective.

    The 2 free T6 C-Store ship coupons don't seem like a good value option in this bundle to me.

    The 10x Ultimate Tech Upgrades I just have no idea how to weigh their value within this bundle, but I like the idea of being able to get them without buying gamble keys.

    The -50% accuracy on that Amarie's Slamshot experimental weapon is not appealing at all.

    Also, not a fan of the 2 included Temporal ships, Destroyer & Science Vessel, sharing their console set perks with that other Temporal Paradox ship which isn't include in this bundle.

    I think the Temporal Science Vessel's starship trait & console seems more useful than the Destroyer's.
    Post edited by foppotee#4552 on
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    It's pick three. If you want you can choose the Amarie, the Temporal Science, and the Temporal Destroyer.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • azrealdragonkingazrealdragonking Member Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited May 2020
    Normally I don't say much in the forums and just like to play the game. But now I have had enough. STOP With the over priced items in Mudd's Market, its for whales only, were not all whales, we all cant afford it.
    "Hey Dude the stuff is at 20% off"
    Wow 20% off puts it 14,000 zen guess what still to expensive. Not all of us can grind the dill farms 24 hours a day to get the dill for it and not all of us are Doctors and Nasa scientists to make that kind of money.
    JUST, STOP, ENOUGH!
    I thought the Legendary Pack was stupidly expensive but this is getting worse.
    For the amount they asked for that Legendary Pack, I could get a brand new Graphics card for that.
    And this new Pack in Mudds Market I could get 2 AAA games if I had that kind of money.
    Listen just please STOP. Your getting Greedy now.
    and I am sure people will still defend this sort of thing.

    EDIT:
    I don't know why I am even commenting to be honest most the time its only other players that read the comments.
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  • theultimatextheultimatex Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    This sounds like a bad idea out of the gate. However, I'm reminded of the Secret World and something they sold.

    They had their own store currency which has an equivalent real world value to zen, 100 = $1. In their store there was one outfit set that was a shiny gold suit for over 10000 points normally. Yes, over $100 for an outfit as the normal price.

    However now and then they had "golden weekends" where that outfit was 90% discounted which, coincidentally, put it at the price of a normal outfit. The idea, of course, is that you can get it any time you want if you want to spend a lot of money on the game or you can wait until one of those weekends where it is discounted and get it at a normal price.

    It seems they may be trying something similar with Mudd. If you want it now, you pay out the nose, but wait for a sale and it will probably be a decent deal.
    This sounds like a bad idea out of the gate. However, I'm reminded of the Secret World and something they sold.

    They had their own store currency which has an equivalent real world value to zen, 100 = $1. In their store there was one outfit set that was a shiny gold suit for over 10000 points normally. Yes, over $100 for an outfit as the normal price.

    However now and then they had "golden weekends" where that outfit was 90% discounted which, coincidentally, put it at the price of a normal outfit. The idea, of course, is that you can get it any time you want if you want to spend a lot of money on the game or you can wait until one of those weekends where it is discounted and get it at a normal price.

    It seems they may be trying something similar with Mudd. If you want it now, you pay out the nose, but wait for a sale and it will probably be a decent deal. [/quote%]

    darn, my post crashed.

    ok trying again.

    2 questions.

    Are the current sale items worth it, seeing that many were free in past? btw, why is Vulcan ship for sale if I already unlocked it from past event. I stupidly bought the cane and other items thinking thet were different. So pissed off about that.

    Being that I am a whale player, I am looking to possibly spend over $500 on these 6 items, but are they worth that value to anyone that bought the current Mudd market items, including Geordi, Picard and other items beyond the choice of 6?
  • theultimatextheultimatex Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    Lets face it, Mudds Market can only be purchased when there is an 80%off SALE. Otherwise its not worth the price its listed for.
    For some of that stuff even 80% off is still too expensive.


    How often do 80% off happen? I really want some of those items due to extreme FOMO, but 50% still makes me fear potential buyer's remorse.
  • theultimatextheultimatex Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    mazujie wrote: »
    I would feel ashamed as a seller to sell something for a crazy price and put it in sale the next day for 90% less, you knew it would go on sale the next day as a seller so its just a rip-off, and the the line only a sucker would buy this at the full price....
    There should be laws against this!

    Things like integrity & having ethics can only get in the way of capitalism.

    Because socialism is full of ethics and integrity, right?

    Really, though, you ignore capitalism has an integrated ethics system. If people don't like what you're doing, they can vote with their wallets and NOT BUY.


    yeah after reading a few pages. I think I am gonna save my 500 dollars. Especially since the picard bundle and many other items was 80% off at the start.
  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    I don't think we will ever see another 80% off sale. Even the initial sales when new items are added have been getting worse. First was 80%, next was 60%, now its 50%...
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    There was a few items for 85% off.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,540 Arc User
    I was intrigued by the idea of Mudd's Market when it first arrived. Then, I looked at the merchandise for sale there and realized a few things:

    - Harcourt Fenton Mudd is a lying cheat who would sell his own children into slavery if the price was right.

    - He has never been portrayed in Star Trek as anything other than a scheming con artist.
    Who assumes, wrongly, he is the cleverest fellow in the game.

    - None of the stuff for sale in Mudd's Market is worth the pixels used to make it.
    Let alone the ree-dink-ku-less prices being asked for it.

    - "Discount"? What Discount? Some of those ships perform poorly enough Cryptic should be paying players to use them.

    - Mudd's Market was created by some overly educated, underly intelligent sales "guru" who only heard "immersion" used as a game term last month and has never been within a thousand light years of any Star Trek episode or film.

    - P.T. Barnum once said, "There's a sucker born every minute".
    Stuff like Mudd's Market lasting longer than five seconds proves once again he was correct.
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,503 Arc User
    edited June 2020
    I was intrigued by the idea of Mudd's Market when it first arrived. Then, I looked at the merchandise for sale there and realized a few things:

    - Harcourt Fenton Mudd is a lying cheat who would sell his own children into slavery if the price was right.

    - He has never been portrayed in Star Trek as anything other than a scheming con artist.
    Who assumes, wrongly, he is the cleverest fellow in the game.

    - None of the stuff for sale in Mudd's Market is worth the pixels used to make it.
    Let alone the ree-dink-ku-less prices being asked for it.

    - "Discount"? What Discount? Some of those ships perform poorly enough Cryptic should be paying players to use them.

    - Mudd's Market was created by some overly educated, underly intelligent sales "guru" who only heard "immersion" used as a game term last month and has never been within a thousand light years of any Star Trek episode or film.

    - P.T. Barnum once said, "There's a sucker born every minute".
    Stuff like Mudd's Market lasting longer than five seconds proves once again he was correct.

    The "ridiculously overpriced" from the OP is what I would use for the discounted prices. I don't know a proper term for the non-discounted prices. Even with the use of explicit language; no idea. It probably makes it a negative form of mind-blowing I guess.

    I tend to agree to thunderfoot; the general idea of Mudd jr. doing something more meaty in game than being a name drop is intriguing. Him being some kind of shady "used ship" salesmen is basically a good idea. Its the greedy whomever made the pricetags and added it to the zen store instead of something more ingame connected execution that ruins it.

    edit:
    Also its not classic Mudd (... to my knowledge); that was his ancestor. No reason for him being an actual legitimate business man trying to clean his name from the shady past of his ancestors. Not that he is doing a good impression regarding that how the shop is set up; but maybe in a future overhaul... :/
  • pet1e86pet1e86 Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    When I first saw this bundle advertised, I "thought" (mistakenly) that it said choose 6 from the list, I was umming and arrring over whether it was worth it for six items, then when I realized it was 3, I was like not a chance in hell is it worth it. Blatantely overpriced.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    You never buy anything from Mudd's Market unless it is on sale!!!
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    You never buy anything from Mudd's Market unless it is on sale!!!

    & not a fake sale but a real sale.
  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    You never buy anything from Mudd's Market unless it is on sale!!!

    & not a fake sale but a real sale.

    And anything under 80% is a fake sale.
  • aspartan1aspartan1 Member Posts: 1,054 Arc User
    Waiting for the next big 80% sale and hopefully it is after a charge bonus 16k on $400 then visit the Mud pit and profit!
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    edited July 2020
    I see this was unstickied so now it will be difficult to announce new Items and Sales in Mudd's Market since Announcements in these Forums are lacking. (Twitter has one).

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/playstation/star-trek-online/news/detail/11474613

    Anyway, T6 Risian Corvette and Black Ops Mine Launcher being added and everything 60% off in that Market for this Weekend.

    Speculation on List Price:
    Corvette - 17,000 Zen
    Mine Launcher - 8,000 Zen w/Ultimate Tech

    Hope nobody was foolish enough to buy here last Weekend with the trollish 20% off. Even 60% is miserly.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    edited July 2020
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11474613-risa-corvette-and-black-ops-mines-in-mudd's!

    Yeah, wasn't Mudd sales used to be -80%?

    The mines are cool but never seemed to do enough damage in my experience. The ship is nice, I remember this is the one Cryptic made it where if you wanted you could upgrade it to Pilot.
  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 5,406 Arc User
    @ambassadorkael#6946 This thread has lost its stickiness and has moved from its past position. Please re-sticky it. Thanks. :)
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11474613-risa-corvette-and-black-ops-mines-in-mudd's!

    Yeah, wasn't Mudd sales used to be -80%?

    The mines are cool but never seemed to do enough damage in my experience. The ship is nice, I remember this is the one Cryptic made it where if you wanted you could upgrade it to Pilot.

    only the very 1st time it was open...
  • aspartan1aspartan1 Member Posts: 1,054 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    I see this was unstickied so now it will be difficult to announce new Items and Sales in Mudd's Market since Announcements in these Forums are lacking. (Twitter has one).

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/playstation/star-trek-online/news/detail/11474613

    Anyway, T6 Risian Corvette and Black Ops Mine Launcher being added and everything 60% off in that Market for this Weekend.

    Speculation on List Price:
    Corvette - 17,000 Zen
    Mine Launcher - 8,000 Zen w/Ultimate Tech

    Hope nobody was foolish enough to buy here last Weekend with the trollish 20% off. Even 60% is miserly.

    Damn! They got me for $500 on the 20% sale. This just sucks... It is good for other players but it is a bitter pill to swallow especially when I'm getting stuff mainly to support the game.
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  • fred26291#2759 fred26291 Member Posts: 1,260 Arc User
    I will avoid most stuff in Mudds Market as overpriced junk. Even if it was 80 % off most of it isnt worth getting cause most of it was part of an event to get for FREE!. Once free should stay free!
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11474613-risa-corvette-and-black-ops-mines-in-mudd's!

    Yeah, wasn't Mudd sales used to be -80%?

    The mines are cool but never seemed to do enough damage in my experience. The ship is nice, I remember this is the one Cryptic made it where if you wanted you could upgrade it to Pilot.

    only the very 1st time it was open...

    If true that would make sense as sort of an introductory sale, but looking at https://sto.gamepedia.com/Zen_Store it displays there's many sales at beyond -60% besides the "very 1st time it was open" if I'm reading those charts correctly.
    aspartan1 wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    I see this was unstickied so now it will be difficult to announce new Items and Sales in Mudd's Market since Announcements in these Forums are lacking. (Twitter has one).

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/playstation/star-trek-online/news/detail/11474613

    Anyway, T6 Risian Corvette and Black Ops Mine Launcher being added and everything 60% off in that Market for this Weekend.

    Speculation on List Price:
    Corvette - 17,000 Zen
    Mine Launcher - 8,000 Zen w/Ultimate Tech

    Hope nobody was foolish enough to buy here last Weekend with the trollish 20% off. Even 60% is miserly.

    Damn! They got me for $500 on the 20% sale. This just sucks... It is good for other players but it is a bitter pill to swallow especially when I'm getting stuff mainly to support the game.

    Well you're just helping out Cryptic that much more then, intended or not. I'm sure that sentiment rings hollow compared to the amount of money you could've saved for something else though which is similar to the last zen bonus that was 1k zen less at the $200 price point.

  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    edited July 2020
    The Stealing Time Bundle is cheaper by almost 3,000 Zen than it was when first introduced.

    There have been numerous 80% Sales of the Market and individual Items in the past. There was an 85% Sale as well. It seems that 60% has been the top recently.
    Post edited by ltminns on
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11474613-risa-corvette-and-black-ops-mines-in-mudd's!

    Yeah, wasn't Mudd sales used to be -80%?

    The mines are cool but never seemed to do enough damage in my experience. The ship is nice, I remember this is the one Cryptic made it where if you wanted you could upgrade it to Pilot.

    only the very 1st time it was open...

    If true that would make sense as sort of an introductory sale, but looking at https://sto.gamepedia.com/Zen_Store it displays there's many sales at beyond -60% besides the "very 1st time it was open" if I'm reading those charts correctly.
    aspartan1 wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    I see this was unstickied so now it will be difficult to announce new Items and Sales in Mudd's Market since Announcements in these Forums are lacking. (Twitter has one).

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/playstation/star-trek-online/news/detail/11474613

    Anyway, T6 Risian Corvette and Black Ops Mine Launcher being added and everything 60% off in that Market for this Weekend.

    Speculation on List Price:
    Corvette - 17,000 Zen
    Mine Launcher - 8,000 Zen w/Ultimate Tech

    Hope nobody was foolish enough to buy here last Weekend with the trollish 20% off. Even 60% is miserly.

    Damn! They got me for $500 on the 20% sale. This just sucks... It is good for other players but it is a bitter pill to swallow especially when I'm getting stuff mainly to support the game.

    Well you're just helping out Cryptic that much more then, intended or not. I'm sure that sentiment rings hollow compared to the amount of money you could've saved for something else though which is similar to the last zen bonus that was 1k zen less at the $200 price point.

    store wide sale at 80% was grand opening... yes certain items were over 80% at times... but those are not the ships, just over priced junk items imo or event items... not ships. every ship sale price since grand opening has been less than 80%.
  • aspartan1aspartan1 Member Posts: 1,054 Arc User
    Well you're just helping out Cryptic that much more then, intended or not. I'm sure that sentiment rings hollow compared to the amount of money you could've saved for something else though which is similar to the last zen bonus that was 1k zen less at the $200 price point.
    No doubt... I was just going to send them $200 more and they stopped the charge bonus. Now I'm beginning to feel like a fool.

    They really should publish a promotional schedule just like other game related activities.

    Anyway as much as I wanted to get some of the stuff in Mudds shop to balance things out to say 30% of across the board it is simply not worth it to me anymore.

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  • jcswwjcsww Member Posts: 6,789 Arc User
    I felt $118 was a decent enough deal to buy the Time bundle from the Mudd Store. They might offer an 80% sale again, but the last couple of times they did, there wasn't a ship bundle in it. Ship bundles don't usually get included in the best sales.
  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    question...aside from price...

    are the mines or prios (spelling) sat any good from the market?

    I got them from the event long ago, I didn't create any uber mine build but used them on a ship & wasn't impressed with the damage, but they do look cool. I'm sure a good player focusing on mines can make them lethal.
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