In TOS you could turn in warp just fine, and since the weapons were powered by the impulse drives (in addition to the capacitor banks) they could fight in warp more easily than in impulse. In TOS they would often make hairpin turns (and even spin in place like they did in "Journey to Babel") and had no trouble entering or leaving orbit using warp drive.
In TOS"Journey To Babel" the ship did not "spin in place" at warp. In fact, in order to lure the attacking ship in, they faked being disabled - it's a pretty major plot point, both in the episode and when your TOS player goes through it in game. (And they didn't "spin in place" then either - the attacker stopped to examine the Enterprise, Kirk ordered the weapons to full power, Sulu blasted them into oblivion.)
There were no scenes of "hairpin turns" at warp in TOS either - there weren't even any "hairpin turns" at impulse, because filming this would have been prohibitively expensive. (I exclude any modified special effects from the remastered editions, because I haven't spent years watching remastered TOS episodes. Also, that would be the very definition of "retcon".) And if firing weapons at warp were as common as you assert (I don't recall seeing it happen once), it would have obviated a major plot point in TOS:"Balance of Terror", when Kirk has to take the Enterprise into the Neutral Zone chasing after the Romulan ship, because he can't just sit on the Federation side of the line and fire photon torpedoes FTL to hit the enemy. (And of course he has to do so without getting authorization first, because there's simply no time to wait the hour or more for a message to be relayed to Command and back again; fortunately, they did approve of his decision after the fact.)
I'm just wondering what series you were watching, because it sounds a lot more like Buck Rogers or Battlestar Galactica than TOS.
Kirk: "...As he passes, I want to cut in warp drive. We'll pivot at warp two and bring all tubes to bear."
There's also the visual evidence in the Fleet battle with the 1701 in TOS S2 - "The Ulitmate Computer" with many turns being executed at Warp 3 or Warp 4.
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> @equinox976 said:
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> Yeah plus Spock is only half Vulcan.
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> As much as I love Spock, I would say Tuvok was a far better representation of Vulcans.
Neither is truly representative of the general Vulcan populace. Neither shows the endemic Vulcan Bigotry for one thing. That Vulcan captain from Take Me Out to The Holosuite is a much better example of a "proper" Vulcan male. Sarek isn't a "proper" Vulcan male either. He married a Human, twice that we know of (Amanda and Perrin), and openly admitted to being emotional before the high priestess of Mount Selaya.
Actually Tuvok did display a lot of it in flashbacks, he eventually grew out of it after years of contact with humans and other races. In fact, he first quit Starfleet in disgust over problems in dealing with human attitudes and did not return until decades later.
Sarek was a diplomat, from a family who traditionally joined the Vulcan Diplomatic Corps a lot. It is not surprising that he did not share much of the prejudices a lot of the other Vulcans display and so did not pass that prejudice on to his son. From hints in the dialog he was also considered something of a comedian in Vulcan society, the same way that T'Pol was considered flighty, erratic, and even rather neurotic by Vulcan standards in ENT.
The fact is, we never see much of any "normal" Vulcan in Trek to really know what that is (apparently they all tend to stay home and mind their own business), but out of the officer with a very long and somewhat checkered past, the gregarious VDC standup comedian, the rebellious half-human, and the near bat-manure crazy ex-intelligence agent let go for PTSD problems (then shuffled off to Earth and foisted on the humans on the assumption they would not notice anything odd about her), Tuvok actually was the closest to "normal" Vulcan of the bunch.
> @sirsitsalot said:
> As for me? I don't really care. I no longer have a proverbial dog in the proverbial fight anymore. If my comments here land me in the same fate as Jacob Flowers and Peregrine Falcon then I will consider myself honored to be in such company.
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> I have nothing further to say.
The opinions of these hypothetical people mean no more than anyone else's opinion and never will.
PS: WTF is Jacob Flowers and Peregrine Falcon? Never heard of them.
PF was someone who compiled a list of "broken promises". Some will tell you he "spoke truth to power". But the reality is that he used a very loose definition of "promise". Any time the devs said they wanted to do something, he would add that to his list. He eventually got banned for incessantly bashing the devs based on... nothing. He eventually got to the point where was basically making up reasons to hate them.
> @sirsitsalot said:
> As for me? I don't really care. I no longer have a proverbial dog in the proverbial fight anymore. If my comments here land me in the same fate as Jacob Flowers and Peregrine Falcon then I will consider myself honored to be in such company.
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> I have nothing further to say.
The opinions of these hypothetical people mean no more than anyone else's opinion and never will.
PS: WTF is Jacob Flowers and Peregrine Falcon? Never heard of them.
PF was someone who compiled a list of "broken promises". Some will tell you he "spoke truth to power". But the reality is that he used a very loose definition of "promise". Any time the devs said they wanted to do something, he would add that to his list. He eventually got banned for incessantly bashing the devs based on... nothing. He eventually got to the point where was basically making up reasons to hate them.
Peregrine Falcon now theres a name I havent heard for ages. However if we want the king of going at the devs for no good reason i think the "household name" was rodentmaster
Also, lore can be a strange beast at times Especially for a sci-fi series with as many episodes, movies and history as Star Trek
> @equinox976 said:
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> Yeah plus Spock is only half Vulcan.
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> As much as I love Spock, I would say Tuvok was a far better representation of Vulcans.
Neither is truly representative of the general Vulcan populace. Neither shows the endemic Vulcan Bigotry for one thing. That Vulcan captain from Take Me Out to The Holosuite is a much better example of a "proper" Vulcan male. Sarek isn't a "proper" Vulcan male either. He married a Human, twice that we know of (Amanda and Perrin), and openly admitted to being emotional before the high priestess of Mount Selaya.
Actually Tuvok did display a lot of it in flashbacks, he eventually grew out of it after years of contact with humans and other races. In fact, he first quit Starfleet in disgust over problems in dealing with human attitudes and did not return until decades later.
Sarek was a diplomat, from a family who traditionally joined the Vulcan Diplomatic Corps a lot. It is not surprising that he did not share much of the prejudices a lot of the other Vulcans display and so did not pass that prejudice on to his son. From hints in the dialog he was also considered something of a comedian in Vulcan society, the same way that T'Pol was considered flighty, erratic, and even rather neurotic by Vulcan standards in ENT.
The fact is, we never see much of any "normal" Vulcan in Trek to really know what that is (apparently they all tend to stay home and mind their own business), but out of the officer with a very long and somewhat checkered past, the gregarious VDC standup comedian, the rebellious half-human, and the near bat-manure crazy ex-intelligence agent let go for PTSD problems (then shuffled off to Earth and foisted on the humans on the assumption they would not notice anything odd about her), Tuvok actually was the closest to "normal" Vulcan of the bunch.
People are individuals not racial stereotypes. It doesn't matter which specific character(s) we try to pin down as the "normal," it's always going to be wrong.
But certainly, we see a lot more of the main cast vulcans and therefore know more about their character than any others.
As for average civilians, we don't see much of those of any race.
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You forget the Battle in TOS S3 - "Elaan of Troyius".
http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/57.htm
Kirk SPECIFICALLY states:
Kirk: "...As he passes, I want to cut in warp drive. We'll pivot at warp two and bring all tubes to bear."
There's also the visual evidence in the Fleet battle with the 1701 in TOS S2 - "The Ulitmate Computer" with many turns being executed at Warp 3 or Warp 4.
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Actually Tuvok did display a lot of it in flashbacks, he eventually grew out of it after years of contact with humans and other races. In fact, he first quit Starfleet in disgust over problems in dealing with human attitudes and did not return until decades later.
Sarek was a diplomat, from a family who traditionally joined the Vulcan Diplomatic Corps a lot. It is not surprising that he did not share much of the prejudices a lot of the other Vulcans display and so did not pass that prejudice on to his son. From hints in the dialog he was also considered something of a comedian in Vulcan society, the same way that T'Pol was considered flighty, erratic, and even rather neurotic by Vulcan standards in ENT.
The fact is, we never see much of any "normal" Vulcan in Trek to really know what that is (apparently they all tend to stay home and mind their own business), but out of the officer with a very long and somewhat checkered past, the gregarious VDC standup comedian, the rebellious half-human, and the near bat-manure crazy ex-intelligence agent let go for PTSD problems (then shuffled off to Earth and foisted on the humans on the assumption they would not notice anything odd about her), Tuvok actually was the closest to "normal" Vulcan of the bunch.
My character Tsin'xing
Peregrine Falcon now theres a name I havent heard for ages. However if we want the king of going at the devs for no good reason i think the "household name" was rodentmaster
Also, lore can be a strange beast at times
But certainly, we see a lot more of the main cast vulcans and therefore know more about their character than any others.
As for average civilians, we don't see much of those of any race.