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ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 986 Arc User
When the announcement came that Romulan players would get to use Fed/KDF ships up to T6, it set off a bad smelling storm. The recon raptor/escort ship pack was released. Some people said that it wouldn't become a pattern, "nothing to see here," "wait and see what Cryptic do," "everything's fine," drek like that. Then came ship packs, lockbox ship releases, promo ship packs. An embargo for about two years. Still no T6 Ha'feh, still no T6 Ha'nom, still no T6 Romulan carrier-esque ship that isn't bound to a lockbox/promo pack, still no Romulan D-7.

Finally a quad pack was burped out, giving the JH a new warship as well. Then back to the embargo. Will this be the new pattern? 1 singular warbird, once every two years?

This also applies to JH ships. I don't recall a JH specific shuttle(if someone knows otherwise, I'm happy to be corrected), certainly not a General's Chariot LTS equivalent either. Same with T-5U/T6 JH LTS ship.

My thought is that we won't see another warbird(singularity core using ship) or JH ship put out, until after the esteedee/mushroom kingdom stuff with J'ula Whiplash is resolved, the Mirror Leeta/Killy arcs are finished, and STO Diplomacy Grandpa(Picard) comes out, if that. Ballpark guess says 1 1/2 to 2 years. When do you guys think it'll happen?
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,331 Arc User
    Alot sooner than you think ya humbug!
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,459 Arc User
    I don't know when the next Romulan will be out, but I do not think the Dominion actually uses shuttlecraft. In DS9, for every situation where anyone else would use one the Dominion sent one of the little attack bugs instead.
  • ichaerus1ichaerus1 Member Posts: 986 Arc User
    I don't know when the next Romulan will be out, but I do not think the Dominion actually uses shuttlecraft. In DS9, for every situation where anyone else would use one the Dominion sent one of the little attack bugs instead.

    So would you rather the Dominion use another faction's shuttle or the JH bug ship instead for the episodes and TFO that requires a shuttle, instead of Cryptic coming up with an original design?
  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,593 Arc User
    there are the fighters tha come with the jemnaught carrier. they could mkae that playable
    as far as a new warbird, when my son starts in with the "when..." stuff I like to say "sometime between Pigs flying and Hell freezing over"
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,501 Arc User
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    ... until after the esteedee/mushroom kingdom stuff with J'ula Whiplash ...

    We get it, you don't like Discovery and blame it for the lack of warbirds.

    The real reason is money. Cryptic needs to feed on our cash monies in order to survive, and there are not enough Romulan players spending enough money to justify parity or anything close to it.

    7 out of 10 captains are Federation. The other 3 are a mix of KDF, Romulan, Jem'Hadar. Most likely then 7 out of 10 ships sold are Fedships. Most likely adding a new average-popularity Fedship will also outsell an average-popularity Romship by something like 5-10 to 1.

    The business people say: "Shall we spend X weeks on a Romship and sell 5,000 or on a Fedship and sell 50,000?" It's a tough decision with no obvious answer, so perhaps they flip a coin?

    Just from the mix of captains you'd expect them to release somewhere between 5-10 Fedships for every Romship, so a wait between new ones is something we should accept.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    IMO, a new Romulan ship or ship pack could be expected about once a year going forward. There's honestly no reason to release a 4 pack since pretty much all characters can use all ships now. I'd rather see 2 packs going forward with FED/KDF and ROM/DOM taking turns as to which type of 2 pack is released.
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,238 Community Moderator
    Yes, because an instance of 1 is a pattern. :unamused: Recently, Spartan had said she was working on Romulan ships. Ships, as in plural. Just because only one of them as been released so far, doesn't mean it will be years before the next release.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    I really wish their unlocking all the restrictions would put an end to the copypaste packs for good. In this way, I'm actually happy they haven't shoehorned in made-up romulan copypastes of the Disco ships just to have romulan ships.

    That 4-faction pack was especially disappointing. To think they actually did the work making 4 different consoles and traits for them, then wasted the whole thing by making all the ships give the same faction-locked ones so there's no point buying the whole pack except for the Admiralty cards.

    They only have the red-blue line left to erase and then we can have all ships unique again instead of packing 2-4 copies of the same ship with different graphics.
    there are the fighters tha come with the jemnaught carrier. they could mkae that playable
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    Well, we are almost out of DSC ships, so far, so i think we will return to the normal release of ships..
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    gaevsman wrote: »
    Well, we are almost out of DSC ships, so far, so i think we will return to the normal release of ships..
    That or it'll be time for ST:Pic ships :p
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,248 Arc User
    That or it'll be time for ST:Pic ships :p
    With how early Cryptic seems to get things from CBS, I wouldn't be surprised if they have the Picard ship data already.

    Well based on the trailer one of them is already in the game as Romulan starter ship (there's a ship that looks very much like a T'liss done with modern effects) as for the others we'll have to wait and see.
  • jagdtier44jagdtier44 Member Posts: 376 Arc User
    gaevsman wrote: »
    Well, we are almost out of DSC ships, so far, so i think we will return to the normal release of ships..

    eh that was a flimsy excuse to start with and the last few packs have been JJ trek based and still have lacked Romulan ships even with having a few JJ trek Rom ships already.

    Hopefully it will be much sooner than once every 2 years but I don't think we'll see many going forward because well we haven't seen many. Maybe they'll give us one every 6 months at least
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,248 Arc User
    Speaking on Romulan ships I wonder if the presence of what looks like modernized T'liss in the new Picard trailer mean they're taking queues from STO in regards to what ships the romulans are using.
  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    spiritborn wrote: »
    Speaking on Romulan ships I wonder if the presence of what looks like modernized T'liss in the new Picard trailer mean they're taking queues from STO in regards to what ships the romulans are using.

    Hard to say at this point. If I were to guess I'd just say that perhaps after Romulus went bye-bye, the romulans started using old schematics to build smaller ships that are cheap and easy to maintain now that their economy must have taken a huge hit.

    Or… some romulans restored old ships that were stashed away in other sectors.
  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    jagdtier44 wrote: »
    gaevsman wrote: »
    Well, we are almost out of DSC ships, so far, so i think we will return to the normal release of ships..

    eh that was a flimsy excuse to start with and the last few packs have been JJ trek based and still have lacked Romulan ships even with having a few JJ trek Rom ships already.

    Hopefully it will be much sooner than once every 2 years but I don't think we'll see many going forward because well we haven't seen many. Maybe they'll give us one every 6 months at least

    Except, that there are no actual Kelvin Timeline Romulan ships (Nero's ship doesn't count since it was from the original timeline and was just a heavily modified mining ship). The only KT Romulan ship is one of Cryptic's design.

    There were also no Romulan ships in Discovery either, since they were sticking to canon that the Romulans wouldn't appear for another 10 years. Season 3 may not give us Romulan ships either considering that a) Romulus is gone in 2387 and b) we don't know the full state of the galaxy 800 years further into the future than we've ever glimpsed in Star Trek.

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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,238 Community Moderator
    Star Trek: Picard, though, does seem to have some Romulan content, so I wouldn't be surprised if we get Romulan ships from that show.
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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    There were also no Romulan ships in Discovery either

    There probably were a few. Just under cloak :D
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,820 Arc User
    ichaerus1 wrote: »
    When the announcement came that Romulan players would get to use Fed/KDF ships up to T6, it set off a bad smelling storm. The recon raptor/escort ship pack was released. Some people said that it wouldn't become a pattern, "nothing to see here," "wait and see what Cryptic do," "everything's fine," drek like that. Then came ship packs, lockbox ship releases, promo ship packs. An embargo for about two years. Still no T6 Ha'feh, still no T6 Ha'nom, still no T6 Romulan carrier-esque ship that isn't bound to a lockbox/promo pack, still no Romulan D-7.

    Finally a quad pack was burped out, giving the JH a new warship as well. Then back to the embargo. Will this be the new pattern? 1 singular warbird, once every two years?

    This also applies to JH ships. I don't recall a JH specific shuttle(if someone knows otherwise, I'm happy to be corrected), certainly not a General's Chariot LTS equivalent either. Same with T-5U/T6 JH LTS ship.

    My thought is that we won't see another warbird(singularity core using ship) or JH ship put out, until after the esteedee/mushroom kingdom stuff with J'ula Whiplash is resolved, the Mirror Leeta/Killy arcs are finished, and STO Diplomacy Grandpa(Picard) comes out, if that. Ballpark guess says 1 1/2 to 2 years. When do you guys think it'll happen?

    I'm sure we'll see another Warbird sometime....in 2020
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    When Picard drops
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  • ... until after the esteedee/mushroom kingdom stuff with J'ula Whiplash ...

    We get it, you don't like Discovery and blame it for the lack of warbirds.

    The real reason is money. Cryptic needs to feed on our cash monies in order to survive, and there are not enough Romulan players spending enough money to justify parity or anything close to it.

    7 out of 10 captains are Federation. The other 3 are a mix of KDF, Romulan, Jem'Hadar. Most likely then 7 out of 10 ships sold are Fedships. Most likely adding a new average-popularity Fedship will also outsell an average-popularity Romship by something like 5-10 to 1.

    The business people say: "Shall we spend X weeks on a Romship and sell 5,000 or on a Fedship and sell 50,000?" It's a tough decision with no obvious answer, so perhaps they flip a coin?

    Just from the mix of captains you'd expect them to release somewhere between 5-10 Fedships for every Romship, so a wait between new ones is something we should accept.

    I have to disagree with you here. Not on the percentage of Faction captains but on the spending money part. I own just about every Romulan ship available with the exception of the newest one, and the Pilot ships. I also must even tho I'm a lifer buy many ship slots and dry dock slots for each character regardless of their faction due to the number of ships I own which is an ongoing process to this day. As for the Pilot ships, I just didn't care for those appearance wise. As for the newest Warbird, With my Daughter and I moving to Illinois from Florida coming up (near the end of this month) I just haven't had the extra money. It is set in stone for me that I do want that one so as soon as I can afford it I'll have it too.

    And just FYI, nearly 70% of my Captains are Romulans or Romulan/Alien mixes with the remaining 30% split nearly evenly although it may favor the KDF a lil. :)

    I don't mind spending a lil on a game I love. And I do agree with you that not just Cryptic, but all game Productions need to generate income to survive. They are a business after all. o:)



  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    No matter what percentage some "faction" is, it's always less than 100% and therefore always better to release stuff for everyone instead of engaging in factionism.
  • jagdtier44jagdtier44 Member Posts: 376 Arc User
    jagdtier44 wrote: »
    gaevsman wrote: »
    Well, we are almost out of DSC ships, so far, so i think we will return to the normal release of ships..

    eh that was a flimsy excuse to start with and the last few packs have been JJ trek based and still have lacked Romulan ships even with having a few JJ trek Rom ships already.

    Hopefully it will be much sooner than once every 2 years but I don't think we'll see many going forward because well we haven't seen many. Maybe they'll give us one every 6 months at least

    Except, that there are no actual Kelvin Timeline Romulan ships (Nero's ship doesn't count since it was from the original timeline and was just a heavily modified mining ship). The only KT Romulan ship is one of Cryptic's design.

    There were also no Romulan ships in Discovery either, since they were sticking to canon that the Romulans wouldn't appear for another 10 years. Season 3 may not give us Romulan ships either considering that a) Romulus is gone in 2387 and b) we don't know the full state of the galaxy 800 years further into the future than we've ever glimpsed in Star Trek.

    My point being that Cryptic already made a Romulan ship for the Kelvin Timeline and now has dropped them again with the new Kelvin timeline ships they've released.

    The excuse for lack during Discovery was "there are no Romulans in Discovery" like it doesn't have anything to do with player populations and Federation ships being easy money makers. Than it just gets conveniently forgotten when someone brings up the current timeline ship packs they released without Romulan vessels in them during the Discovery content rollout

    But now the excuse of dropping them again is "well no Romulans in Kelvin.. just ignore the one they did already"

    I just find it eyeroll inducing, at least posts like davefenstrator give me hope that not everyone is delusional and are willing to admit Cryptic just wants the money.

    I imagine yes during Picard we'll see a few Romulan ships but I can guarantee you that if for some reason there is a lack of Federation vessels Cryptic will cook em up even if there's no Federation ships in Picard. (maybe he's on shuttles and freighters moving around)
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    jagdtier44 wrote: »
    jagdtier44 wrote: »
    gaevsman wrote: »
    Well, we are almost out of DSC ships, so far, so i think we will return to the normal release of ships..

    eh that was a flimsy excuse to start with and the last few packs have been JJ trek based and still have lacked Romulan ships even with having a few JJ trek Rom ships already.

    Hopefully it will be much sooner than once every 2 years but I don't think we'll see many going forward because well we haven't seen many. Maybe they'll give us one every 6 months at least

    Except, that there are no actual Kelvin Timeline Romulan ships (Nero's ship doesn't count since it was from the original timeline and was just a heavily modified mining ship). The only KT Romulan ship is one of Cryptic's design.

    There were also no Romulan ships in Discovery either, since they were sticking to canon that the Romulans wouldn't appear for another 10 years. Season 3 may not give us Romulan ships either considering that a) Romulus is gone in 2387 and b) we don't know the full state of the galaxy 800 years further into the future than we've ever glimpsed in Star Trek.

    My point being that Cryptic already made a Romulan ship for the Kelvin Timeline and now has dropped them again with the new Kelvin timeline ships they've released.

    The excuse for lack during Discovery was "there are no Romulans in Discovery" like it doesn't have anything to do with player populations and Federation ships being easy money makers. Than it just gets conveniently forgotten when someone brings up the current timeline ship packs they released without Romulan vessels in them during the Discovery content rollout

    But now the excuse of dropping them again is "well no Romulans in Kelvin.. just ignore the one they did already"
    But there were romulans in Kelvin. In case you haven't noticed, the T'laru is a stand-in for the Narada. It even has the Narada's mining drill as it's console.
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