Yes because alien races should speak English perfectly
Was one of the things that I liked about Stargate SG-1 for the first season or two. It actually took a while for the protagonists to figure out how to talk to the people they meet instead of everyone speaking English. It also gave some purpose to Daniel Jackson's role instead of his wife was stolen by aliens.
Yes because alien races should speak English perfectly
Right. They figured out post TNG holotech to the point that an incoming holo signal can sit on local furniture, a propulsion system that can take them anywhere in space in any universe, but a Universal Translator made from something other than two cups and some string with Rosetta Stone on one end is too much a suspension of disbelief.
Not so sure of that, since the TNG version sounded a lot closer to Star Trek III, and that's where Marc Okrand started it (With James Doohan's help and ad-libs by the actor.) The lisping and gargling marbles thing came a lot later, and there's also delivery.
I mean, how could they make Klingons speaking Klingon boring? but they did, and even what were supposed to be barn-burning calls to action came across as the muddled musings of impotence and weakness.
The Klingon language isn't supposed to be interesting Pat.
Its a language of a barbaric, warlike, species that was originally designed to lack any sort of words or phrases to end conversations. As Okrand originally designed it, conversations in Klingon ended only when one party stormed off, or both parties began killing each other, because that was the Klingon way, and courtesy wasn't part of Klingon culture. Why would it be anything BUT boring? Klingons barely used it themselves.
Ronald D Moore himself stated that he let every individual author use Okrand's Klingon language to the degree they wanted, and that he didn't follow it much because he felt it was constricting. Okrand, to his credit, didn't fight it, but just said the version we typically heard in the movies and TNG was one of the various sub dialects of Klingon, of which there were like 80+
and you don't think that's supposed to be interesting?
wow.
Eighty dialects, Som. and the one they pick makes what should be a dramatic and exciting moment in their premiere episode about as much fun as listening to bored interns going over a powerpoint at a failing retailer.
The most amusing thing here? It suggests Uhura's Klingon wasn't as bad as people originally thought.
especially given her translation came out to 'we AM THY freighter ursva', not 'we ARE THE freighter ursva'...they must've thought she was drunk - klingons get drunk a LOT
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The changes were done for business reasons not creative, specifically for monetary gain in merchandising cause anything star trek that is or has a likeness to TOS or ip prior under Paramount cannot be merchandised for profit to CBS so they had to change it (BAD ROBOT - Alex Kurtzman) to make it different enough to get the moneys that's what all this has boiled down to money an who gets it .... certainly not CBS is they has done cannon.
and thats why i hate the new trek cbs is destroying it for greed not cause of creativity
A big problem with Discovery is the serialized format which of coruse they have to adapt because it's trendy. But when one finds the story unappealing, the whole series is pretty much done for. "The Orville" uses the old episodic format, but keeps a sense of continuity by referring to events of earlier episodes. I think this is a perfect format that allows some story arcs to be in the show, but you still get a sense of variety watching.
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A big problem with Discovery is the serialized format which of coruse they have to adapt because it's trendy. But when one finds the story unappealing, the whole series is pretty much done for. "The Orville" uses the old episodic format, but keeps a sense of continuity by referring to events of earlier episodes. I think this is a perfect format that allows some story arcs to be in the show, but you still get a sense of variety watching.
Season 2 is far more episodic than Season 1, however, while still maintaining a stronger series arc than most previous shows (It's more like during the DS9 Dominion War era).
So I guess they might have learned their lesson.
Though I am not sure I agree with the lesson. Yes, if you don't like a series arc it might not be great for you, but for people that like the series arc, it's pretty cool if it remains the focus. But either way, I am very happy with season 2. It lives up to my personal season 2 hype.
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Was one of the things that I liked about Stargate SG-1 for the first season or two. It actually took a while for the protagonists to figure out how to talk to the people they meet instead of everyone speaking English. It also gave some purpose to Daniel Jackson's role instead of his wife was stolen by aliens.
Right. They figured out post TNG holotech to the point that an incoming holo signal can sit on local furniture, a propulsion system that can take them anywhere in space in any universe, but a Universal Translator made from something other than two cups and some string with Rosetta Stone on one end is too much a suspension of disbelief.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
and thats why i hate the new trek cbs is destroying it for greed not cause of creativity
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So I guess they might have learned their lesson.
Though I am not sure I agree with the lesson. Yes, if you don't like a series arc it might not be great for you, but for people that like the series arc, it's pretty cool if it remains the focus. But either way, I am very happy with season 2. It lives up to my personal season 2 hype.
"USS Enterprise lives across the hall from hot Romulan Starship. Will it ever score? Or will Enterprise' Klingon friends TRIBBLE it all up? Tune in next week when Enterprise bumps into Hot Romulan Starship in the laundry and mistakenly takes her clothes home."