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kiksken
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Hail all:
I have come across quite a few people that keep telling that Cryptic has issues with a few Borg based arcs they have in mind.
Now, rumours, as nothing is put for fact.
But just let us imagine, this is actually true, that this hypothesis is actually a fact...
The issue is that Life Timers have Borg skins, and thus they cannot take this from us as this has been said to be blahblahblah.
This could -supporting that rumour here for a second (no, let me rephrase, not SUPPORTING but following the reasoning of said many players)- be in the way for Cryptic to make a Cooperative Arc, for instance.
Now, back in Da Ol' Day they could not have forseen that an arc like this would come to be.
They could not really forsee this success they made.
And this puts them in a possible big pickle...
But, WHAT IF... they were to take the Borg away, and for example gave us the Hur'q to play with.
I for one love to play an insect, and I cannot see much Arc in that direction, right?
Imagine: being an insect on an insect ship, "growing in size" as you grow in rank, having the normal Hur'q "weaponry", ...
For those that would be interested, here's a general idea: you begin in the very first stage, one third the size.
Their personal attacks are, if I am not mistaken, sonic based and plasma based.
The plasma attack could be the first single fire shot action, the sonic attack the rapid/wide fire shot action.
The plasma attack would be equal to the most damage of a NON ENHANCED WEAPON of that rank (as it cannot be enhanced, it's a biological attack), where the Sonic attack would be low damage, multi target, but shield/armor defeating.
Per rank they gain, they would increase in size, and equally in damage dealt.
They are naturally armoured, which would be equal to the sum of Shield and Armour of highest NON-ENHANCED shield and armour (again as their armour is biological Chitine), with a small resistance equal to that of normal shields.
As for ships, they would gain a new ship each rank as normal (only ONE choice), up to say rank Captain, where they "join" a certain Faction (I cannot see them flying a Fed/Klink vessel from the very start, unless... they are a seperate family that escaped poisoning by the Founders, and thus are "nice, friendly and oh so cute" (lol).
Or whatever story they put up to it.
As for our Borg Commanders, of course we will keep them as they are.
That is, those made.
Those that want to make a new LTS character would have to start with a Hur'q, Borg will no longer be available.
But would that matter?
If we were to choose between keeping it as is, or giving up one for another and free up the Borg Arc, which would we pick?
NOTE!!!
Again, this is all VERY theoretical, again, this post is based upon some rumours i picked up in several situations.
I am NOT saying any of this is true, nor that it is untrue, I am merely trying to see who would choose what, and preferably, why.
"just because" is not quite an answer, is it?
Thank you.
PS: this is meant as a simple 'research', a discussion, a poll if you like.
None of it is meant to fuel these rumours, nor to pick a fight in whatever form.
So please, keep it polite.
Thank you.
I have come across quite a few people that keep telling that Cryptic has issues with a few Borg based arcs they have in mind.
Now, rumours, as nothing is put for fact.
But just let us imagine, this is actually true, that this hypothesis is actually a fact...
The issue is that Life Timers have Borg skins, and thus they cannot take this from us as this has been said to be blahblahblah.
This could -supporting that rumour here for a second (no, let me rephrase, not SUPPORTING but following the reasoning of said many players)- be in the way for Cryptic to make a Cooperative Arc, for instance.
Now, back in Da Ol' Day they could not have forseen that an arc like this would come to be.
They could not really forsee this success they made.
And this puts them in a possible big pickle...
But, WHAT IF... they were to take the Borg away, and for example gave us the Hur'q to play with.
I for one love to play an insect, and I cannot see much Arc in that direction, right?
Imagine: being an insect on an insect ship, "growing in size" as you grow in rank, having the normal Hur'q "weaponry", ...
For those that would be interested, here's a general idea: you begin in the very first stage, one third the size.
Their personal attacks are, if I am not mistaken, sonic based and plasma based.
The plasma attack could be the first single fire shot action, the sonic attack the rapid/wide fire shot action.
The plasma attack would be equal to the most damage of a NON ENHANCED WEAPON of that rank (as it cannot be enhanced, it's a biological attack), where the Sonic attack would be low damage, multi target, but shield/armor defeating.
Per rank they gain, they would increase in size, and equally in damage dealt.
They are naturally armoured, which would be equal to the sum of Shield and Armour of highest NON-ENHANCED shield and armour (again as their armour is biological Chitine), with a small resistance equal to that of normal shields.
As for ships, they would gain a new ship each rank as normal (only ONE choice), up to say rank Captain, where they "join" a certain Faction (I cannot see them flying a Fed/Klink vessel from the very start, unless... they are a seperate family that escaped poisoning by the Founders, and thus are "nice, friendly and oh so cute" (lol).
Or whatever story they put up to it.
As for our Borg Commanders, of course we will keep them as they are.
That is, those made.
Those that want to make a new LTS character would have to start with a Hur'q, Borg will no longer be available.
But would that matter?
If we were to choose between keeping it as is, or giving up one for another and free up the Borg Arc, which would we pick?
NOTE!!!
Again, this is all VERY theoretical, again, this post is based upon some rumours i picked up in several situations.
I am NOT saying any of this is true, nor that it is untrue, I am merely trying to see who would choose what, and preferably, why.
"just because" is not quite an answer, is it?
Thank you.
PS: this is meant as a simple 'research', a discussion, a poll if you like.
None of it is meant to fuel these rumours, nor to pick a fight in whatever form.
So please, keep it polite.
Thank you.
Klingons don't get drunk.
They just get less sober.
They just get less sober.
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maybe give lifetimers MORE skinoptions and the freebies less to design thair borg
and I woudl LOVE a borg minifaction (but pls with 30 missions minimum!)
start lvl 1 as a (tactical)drone hear the collective carry out orders
play a few missions in this style...then get freed by the cooperative or SF or kdf or romulans...
would be awesome
A cooperative mini-faction could work as the game stands now if they explained it as the LTS borg are liberated (hugh'd) by the faction they're aligned to whereas the coop are from the delta quadrant. The story for them could begin with tie ins to the unimatrix zero episodes (struggle to gather crewmates to take over your ship) and culminate with loose ties to voyagers return to the alpha quadrant (did she really collapse the transwarp network all by herselves).
However given the rushed nature of episodes lately it'd leap from one to the other missing chunks of plot before dumping the coop player into the game instead of having a proper, dedicated arc like the romulans got.
This is why I thought of this alternative.
If you like to have missions for Borg Libtards and Cooperative, Borg Minifaction, then we will have to give up our "ownership".
They won't EVER do this for just LTS alone, you know. The idea for Hur'q is that they cannot use gear, as CLEARLY was described in the hypothetical idea.
For Borg stuff, then we need to release our ownership, as explained herefore.
They just get less sober.
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And the big draw to buy LTS for me was playable Lib Borg above the rest of the perks. Cryptic will not remove this perk, ever.
Adding a mini-arc for Lib Borg via a Co-Operative oriented story, would boost the appeal of LTS.
Only lock would be that a coop character couldn't also be a liberated borg. However LTS coop borg could be made from talaxians, the other LTS race.
Your overall point is that you'd like a playable borg faction without clarifying what it might entail. Are you looking for something as large as the Jem'Hadar and Gamma expansion or smaller like having a single character with different starting missions like AoY? A complete set of Borg Ships? A whole separate faction like the ROM or Jem that joins FED/KDF at some point? What is the scope of your request?
Second, you ascribe the primary reason for not having one as being the existence of LTS perks, as well as some folks also suggesting already paid content from the c-store. However, while the LTS perk may be a big impediment, it's probably more likely one of several. The LTS perk can be overcome simply by creating something comparable to Vanguard Jem'Hadar that only LTS can access.
However, it's more likely that fragmentation of the faction base is becoming a bigger problem (notice that they have slowed creating new ROM ships and given ROMs access to their affiliated ships). Tie-ins with Discovery are probably necessary, both from a marketing/PR perspective and perhaps even a requirement to access the IP, like the ships. With several new Trek shows in some stage of development, there is likely some roadmap which already fills the space that creating and launching a Borg expansion would need. They've stated several times that there is a hope to draw -in new players from the expanded and extended fan base of DSC.
Ultimately, it's probably a combination of finite resources and competing priorities, rather than catering to LTS players that is holding back creating a Borg expansion of some sort.
Things Co-op Borg are half a step away from being Lib Borg. Playability really would not differ. Only difference is Co-op Borg are still a 'collective'.
Which is why I was suggesting that a liberated borg would be prevented from being a cooperative drone while the other LTS race could be used to keep the LTS hook in the mini faction. A hook that could be extended to allow for the store races like caitan or spoonheads to be used.
Cooperative faction could also reduce the need for specific ships by having borgified colour scheme for ships, and something like as faction ability tied into the player character rather than the ship the way the wingmen are for jems. for example rapidly modulating shields/weapons, an assimilation beam instead of boarding shuttles or the ability to steal an enemies skill.
And this doesn't happen with Romulan and Jem'Hadar Exchange Officers? It is likely common accepted procedure for the Federation and the Klingon Empire to keep all their highly sensitive information away from Romulan and Jem'Hadar Captain since the higher ups know that all information gathered by Romulan and Jem'Hadar Captains will go straight to D'Tan's and Odo's trusted advisors.
I doubt many people would want to play a Hur'q. In order for it to be viable, then Cryptic would need to create a bunch of body cosmetics. A simple way to add a Borg Cooperative faction is change the current Liberated Borg Captains to Liberated Borg Alien and add unique Liberated Borg cosmetics to Lifers. Non-lifers would be able to select from a limited number of alien races and have only the currently available Borg facial implants as part of the Borg Cooperative while Lifers would be able to create whatever Liberated Borg Alien they want within reason and have a wider selection of Borg facial implants and body implants.
No it doesnt. You can choose to not disclouse info as an individual. As a Co-Op Borg you spill all the beans to everyone are networked with. Borg are as One.
But a military officer is not able to act as an individual. If I was a US Navy Captain, I can't invade Tahiti without authorization from my superiors. My actions would be defined by what my superiors want me to do not by what I choose to do.
For Romulans and Jem'Hadar, they take their orders from the Romulan Republic and Dominion and are only being loaned to the Federation or Klingon Empire. Therefore, even if the Romulan or Dominion Captain keeps their mouth shut about the Federation's and Klingon Empire's secrets, the superiors of Starfleet and the Klingon Empire would do their best to keep such sensitive information away from Romulan and Dominion Exchange Officers.
What I do like is my Liberated Borg....to take that away from me because some non-lifer wants what I have would honestly be total BS and a slap in the face to lifers.
How would that work for existing characters? Simply add on the visual options in the tailor, and patch in the current liberated borg traits for the characters on our account, should you activate it. Besides the selectable ground trait (which I never used to be honest), the 'species' trait as it were could either replace the default species one, or be an additional add-on that stacks. Even more of a perk to be a lifetimer, rather than not.
If Cryptic ever choses to make a Liberated Borg Faction, I think their reply to any backlash could be: Almost anyone that bought the liberated borg had the ability to play it for several years now, when no one else could. They are not taking away your past experiences, nor the ability to play that character, so no one is losing anything.
Maybe they'd give Liberated Borg owners some extra token perk, like an exclusive costum choice or species choice.
While I personally don't play races other than the faction defaults or liberated Borg, I think this would be a great idea if they are ever contemplating creating a Borg faction. If I ever do get the wild hair to create a non-faction default character this would be something I'd like to have access to. Lifetimers don't REALLY loose anything with this option.
And not true.
For one, ever seen them use a weapon?
And my suggestion is for Field Operations, NOT Space operations.
Further more, it was mere an idea... not even, a hypothesis.
And prone to adaption.
I did not see a counter idea though, brother? Don't be too sure, read the TOS, they can do whatever they want without any consequence.
If so they choose...
IF they were to, would this hypothesis be somewhat acceptable?
Or, would you prefer to see something else? Incorrect, I do not want anything, as clearly stated, I respond on a rumour, and turned it into a what-if.
I am LTS, and the issue with Feds having more and arguably better ships or whatever is not to the topic.
HOWEVER!!!
I agree with your statement about ships.
Now Discovery, let's be bloody realistic, is NOT!!! OUR UNIVERSE!
This is an alternative universe with an alternative time line and alternative evolution.
Discovery COULD be tied in, for sure!
I think of the Mirror Space event (or whatever it was called), and it can be drawn in the same way.
Still, Discovery is not yet of our reality... True.
However, the rumours run towards a "cooperative arc", hence my probing here.
Quite frankly i do not see it coming, but... what-if...
What would be acceptable if it would come to this? Oh, interesting.
Thank you.
This was what i was hoping for, alternative ideas...
How do LTS people see this?
Would they agree to this, or say: "Hell no, we LTS have/are Borg, thus Coop Borg is ours as well!"? Even Fed and Klinks keep stuff from one another.
No one trusts no one.
Interesting idea, thank you.
A second one with interesting point of view. Odd...
I must be in a different reality then. Heh. True.
Still, they DO seem to manage this quite well?
On a different point, what do THEY care?
Do they have emotions?
They got their personalty back, but just how far?
Completely?
Or just their awareness and individuality?
As Borg, the emotions are suppressed, is this still the case?
If so... they would not care, and just spill their info to anyone who wants to hear it.
Their main goal was to oppose the Borg, therefor not by eradication, a form of 'reprogramming' would have been more interesting, I think.
There are a lot of contradictions in the matter.
Was the destruction of the Borg justified?
Was it according Star Fleet ideology?
To me, it was actual genocide!
Take 7of9, she was 'restored to humanity' even though she had her Borg quirks still.
This means... that EVERY DRONE still had the actual person still inside.
Restoration of their individuality would have been far more 'humane', no?
Another fine example of this is the most famous Borg ever... Locutus...
Food for thought. Heh, who, what?
No, I react to a rumour and figured to take this here, and see for reactions, ideas, ...
This all is hypothetical. I have 14 characters...
Of which 10 are Borg...
I VERY much share your opinion, believe me.
I payed 360 Euro back in the days ONLY for the Borg faction.
I am a true Borg nut... Agreed, I too asked fot more Borg stuff in the past, which never happened.
I'd love to have a full Borg skin, armour and all included, with 2 prosthetic hands.
But yeah...
Not gonna happen I fear. We would keep the ones we have in this hypothesis, as said.
We would not 'loose anything' as literally losing something in this exercise. Precisely, what I stated above.
Save for the fact, that Borg suddenly would no longer be LTS alone, but open to others.
For me, I am unsure whether I am for it, or against it.
I can see things from different angles, with different thoughts around each angle.
But IF they would chose so to do this, what would be an agreeable payoff?
As said, for ME!!!, I would not mind a playable Hur'q.
That would be even far more unique in ALL forms to the Libtarted Borg.
How many could say: Dayum, I has a Hur'q and show it off?
But a Borg is so... well... alike to many others?
If you get my point?
It's not that... impressive...
Especially not as they removed all Borg advantages, which franly I hoped they would have (in much lesser form, that is, like Adapting to incoming damage, NPC Borg become near invulnerable, for players it would be say a 10 point resilience to that type of damage, to just give one example).
But no, they turned it into a human with a nice skin, basically, which defeated the whole thing for me.
But that is me.
Thank you all for responding.
They just get less sober.
I could care less if they one day offered non-lifers the ability to buy in and get access to liberated borg characters, be it a single C-store purchase, or an expansion pack item. It honestly doesn't affect me, either way. I have many times over gotten my money's worth from my lifetime sub. I would not however, ever want a playable Hurq, but that's my opinion.
They make a wondrous mess of things. Brave amateurs, they do their part.
And sadly I agree with the others. There is going to be a campaign independent winter and summer events coming. The rest will likely be tie ins with the current show(s) on the air. This will potentially bring in even more customers as fans of the new works check out the game. And thus take up a bit of dev time.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Again, it's just a human with some graphical modification, in the end.
No biggie, in all truth.
This is one of the angles I viewed as well.
Well, the Hur'q was from a personal PoV, I for one would love it.
But to each his own.
Idea behind it was, I would consider that a fair trade of for me.
What would you see as agreeable trade off, if ever they would do this?
They just get less sober.
Wouldn't it be nice if they could expand those factions a bit like they did the Klingons when Roms dropped? Just a mission here and there to go back to. Or a new character from that origin to do straight? One idea from ToS for example is the Guardian. Chasing someone not from the future to the past but from the past into the future and then returning. Which would be a good reason why Daniels wants you to be a temporal agent?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Wouldn't mind a new perk...perhaps something that functions in ground and space...something more interesting than a little bit of warp core efficiency or regen.