>2 million DPS - > 300K sustained - EPG madness!

mattjohnsonva

This is what > 2 million DPS looks like with a sustained of around 300K

We ran out of enemies sadly LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1loua21dg4&feature=youtu.be

where2r1

Why? What are you trying to say with this? Is this a show off thing?

mihajlorsmihajlo

love game... enjoy it

mihajlorsmihajlo

where2r1 wrote: »

Why? What are you trying to say with this? Is this a show off thing?

It's just showing massively EPG damage. Why be like that...

mihajlorsmihajlo

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tunebreaker

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

It's just showing how massively OP EPG is.

Just because you can do massive spikes with it with tons of enemies present doesn't mean it's OP. EPG builds don't even come close to cannon builds in terms of DPS ceiling.

But wow, some of the comments here are truly mature. /s

pfft2

Looks like someone doesn't grasp the "S" in DPS.

echatty

I just thought it was impressive. Something I would probably never attain, but it was fun to watch.

Nothing to make childish, attacking comments over.

Matt, I enjoyed it. Congrats.

seaofsorrows

Good video of players having some fun.

I enjoyed it, thanks for posting it. I agree with @tunebreaker that EPG is in no way ‘overpowered,’ but I dug the video.

Well done!

where2r1

I really mean exactly what I said: Why? As in: Why is this on a video?
What are you trying to say with this video? And is it just a showing off thing? Explain.

IN other words, I don't even come close to understanding what you are attempting to show....other than you are showing off something you did????

Seriously, what am I supposed to be looking at and what am I supposed to see???

where2r1

Oh I didn't watch. I couldn't get past the title or the explanation on the OP. I don't watch show off videos.

dracounguis

I think the Benny Hill music would have worked better.

rattler2

dracounguis wrote: »

I think the Benny Hill music would have worked better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ
Here you go!

lianthelia

where2r1 wrote: »

I really mean exactly what I said: Why? As in: Why is this on a video?
What are you trying to say with this video? And is it just a showing off thing? Explain.

IN other words, I don't even come close to understanding what you are attempting to show....other than you are showing off something you did????

Seriously, what am I supposed to be looking at and what am I supposed to see???

Umm showing off the damage and his build...should be obvious. Shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see that...

garaks31

good one

where2r1

OK..so it is a show off video or not? I just want to learn stuff...not see you guys bragging about stuff.

seaofsorrows

where2r1 wrote: »

OK..so it is a show off video or not? I just want to learn stuff...not see you guys bragging about stuff.

Man, what is your issue?

They thought it was cool so they made a video. You didn't even watch it and just won't stop bashing on the OP for posting it. Seriously, you're making yourself look like a petty, angry, tool and you need to stop.

If you don't enjoy it, cool.. it's not for everyone, but the OP did nothing to provoke you and the hostility is really not necessary.

where2r1

I am not being hostile. LOL!

I am asking: is this a show off video or is this something for teaching stuff?

BTW... I am a woman.

peterconnorfirst

Cool to see you are having fun OP.

echatty wrote: »

I just thought it was impressive. Something I would probably never attain, but it was fun to watch.

Nothing to make childish, attacking comments over.

Matt, I enjoyed it. Congrats.

It is forum members like you who make logging into this place worthwhile. You are always reasonable, constructive and optimistic. And sure you could attain those numbers if you wanted to. It is a matter of homework (build) practice and finding the right spot in game (map and team you run with). With all of that we could help you with and would love doing that.

protoneous

Thanks for taking the time to post your video. Always nice to see people having fun in STO. Cheers.

casualsto

Amazing work. Keep at it.

peterconnorfirst

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

And yes, it is showing off, so what? I am proud of what we achieved and wanted to show it off to the community, partly to boost my ego which I am honest enough to admit I enjoy doing and partly to show what is possible and the disparities between careers, I make no apologies for any of that.

Thanks for the kind remarks guys.

There is nothing wrong with that at all. You and your friends are having fun in game and you commemorate it. Players have done this since video games came into be.

It is only in this very place, the STO forums, where you have to justify for doing that. The reason why is actually very sad: Most of the players around here simply have nothing to commemorate.

tomebe11

ruinthefun wrote: »

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

If you watch the video you will see that three of the team didn't get anywhere as high in numbers than the other two, that was not because they were support in a nanny run but because they arrived into the map up to 10 seconds later due to their computer/internet speeds etc and the map warps you directly into combat so there is no opportunity to wait for them.

This sounds an awful lot like a loot farm. Warp in and immediately start killing bad guys that conveniently spawn right into your kill zone.

I have noticed a peculiar thing with loot farms in that they can break parsers. Once I accidentally parsed a loot farm because I had left combatlog 1 running, and it recorded almost 10x more team DPS than individual DPS, despite being the only player on the map and therefore not having a team.

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

It also demonstrates that rolling a science captain is almost pointless, a tactical captain can easily achieve higher numbers than a science captain given identical builds, and except for specific purposes like sci pvp there is absolutely no point in rolling a sci toon, if we could change careers in the game I would change this toon to tactical in a heartbeat and reap the joys of APA and TI.

I think STO's class balance have been a thing for a very long time now, and is part of why I have advocated that captain "classes" be abolished in space.

The difference between a loot farm and SRS missions is simple. Loot farms have no story, SRS missions do. The mission name was in the video so why don't you actually play the mission and then form an opinion before running your mouth off at something you clearly don't understand.

The reign of TAC EPG is at a all time high and with large AoE potential, maps with a lot of NPC's are assured to give high levels of DPS beyond the norm.

pfft2

peterconnorfirst wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with that at all. You and your friends are having fun in game and you commemorate it. Players have done this since video games came into be.

It is only in this very place, the STO forums, where you have to justify for doing that. The reason why is actually very sad: Most of the players around here simply have nothing to commemorate.

There's nothing wrong with it. It's just not 2 million DPS. :P

pfft2

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

pfft2 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with it. It's just not 2 million DPS. :P

Yes that's right, it's approaching 2.7 million DPS, the figure is quoted as a team measurement, if you want the individual peaks of 1.1 and 1.3 million they are quite clearly visible in the video on the magnified real time parse readout.

When you bill your video as "this is what 2 million DPS looks like*," and then in your original post mention that Exotic is overpowered, the natural inference is that your build did 2 million DPS. Any sensible definition of the term DPS doesn't refer to spikes; we use the term "spike" for those. DPS is average damage over time, after all.

Not trying to pile on here, man; if you're having fun taking videos with exotic hijinks, more power to you. It's just not a particularly well labeled video.

(* - Worth noting, too, that you don't even mention the lower, "sustained" number on the youtube page for your video.)

pfft2

tomebe11 wrote: »

The reign of TAC EPG is at a all time high and with large AoE potential, maps with a lot of NPC's are assured to give high levels of DPS beyond the norm.

The "reign of Tac EPG" is that it's blown away in the general case by Tac cannon builds. Don't get me wrong; I love me some EPG. Exotic boats can achieve high levels of performance at much lower cost than energy builds, which is why I have six EPG builds on my alts.

But just about the only place that EPG wins is in CCA. And that's a lot of fun, but let's not get carried away with the balance implications of a video taken on a Foundry map.

pfft2

Edit: double post

pfft2

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

pfft2 wrote: »

When you bill your video as "this is what 2 million DPS looks like*," and then in your original post mention that Exotic is overpowered, the natural inference is that your build did 2 million DPS. Any sensible definition of the term DPS doesn't refer to spikes; we use the term "spike" for those. DPS is average damage over time, after all.

Not trying to pile on here, man; if you're having fun taking videos with exotic hijinks, more power to you. It's just not a particularly well labeled video.

(* - Worth noting, too, that you don't even mention the lower, "sustained" number on the youtube page for your video.)

The video states "this is what >2 million DPS looks like", nowhere does it state that "this is what >2 million DPS looks like from a single player". Don't criticise a statement based on your incorrect assessment of the statement.

The video also shows the build for the Annorax which lists a spike damage of >1 million DPS spike and >200K DPS sustained, if it's not on the YouTube description then that was just missed off, it's on the web site, it's in the video, if that's not enough for you then you clearly haven't watched it either, jeez!

The definition of DPS is damage per second, there is no precise or arbitrary designation for the start and end point of that measurement. Therefore a spike can be anything from a fraction of a second to many seconds, the very term "spike" is self-explanatory in that it is NOT a sustained damage readout but a short and instantaneous SPIKE of damage. The damage of the spike is measure in DPS, regardles of the duration of S. It is also known as an alpha strike and is measure in the exact same way.
The Spike damage of this team is greater than 2 million DPS and the sustained is greater than 300K which is exactly what the title states, just because your own personal interpretation of the title is different to the facts does not make it right.

You know, I really regret posting this video, in the future I will abstain from commenting or posting on this forum, the negativity from the population here is most depressing, it is full of critics, trolls, naysayers and doom mongers. Contributing to this forum should carry a health warning. This is my last post to the STO forums other than the recruiting thread we run, I really don't have the energy to argue with idiots any longer.

C'mon, this is sophistry. Sure, you can take your damage over, say, 2 seconds or 5 seconds or 10 seconds, and that's a valid way to measure spikes, but when people refer to DPS, they're talking about sustained damage. This shouldn't be controversial.

It's not a big deal. You're just misusing the term. At first I thought you were genuinely confused about it, but now it seems clear that your video's title is misleading clickbait. And you know it, which is why you're so defensive.

Oh, and your team did not do 2 million DPS. They may have spiked that high, but the parse in your video shows 310k + 285k + 93k + 79k + 48k = 815k team DPS. That's certainly a nice number, but it's a far cry from your initial claim - and it comes from a map that no one's ever heard of. I'm sure this all sounds like malicious nitpicking, but the point here really isn't to criticize you, Matt. The point is simply to clarify, for people who may not know any better.

There's a reason that we use a handful of Cryptic-made queues to measure DPS; those maps provide us with a (more or less) consistent basis to compare builds. When random people see you make claims like the ones in the video, they can get misled about what a given build is capable of. There are only a couple of players in the entire game who are capable of consistently putting out 200+k DPS in an Exotic boat on a non-CCA map, and those performances require the support of extremely high-end teams. And when I say "extremely high-end teams," I'm talking teams comprised of top-20 or so players.

Meanwhile, cannon builds doing 200+k DPS are still very rare, of course, but not nearly as rare, and in any case, I can do 200+k DPS consistently in PUGs; the score isn't team-dependent.

All of this is to say simply that Exotic builds aren't overpowered, or at least not overpowered relative to the competition at the moment. To the extent I care at all about this topic, that's where I care. Your foundry video's nice; if you had fun doing it, then more power to you - but it doesn't say anything about the relative strength of EPG builds generally.

slifox

Thanks for the video. I found it enjoyable and helpful.

tunebreaker

pfft2 wrote: »

C'mon, this is sophistry. Sure, you can take your damage over, say, 2 seconds or 5 seconds or 10 seconds, and that's a valid way to measure spikes, but when people refer to DPS, they're talking about sustained damage. This shouldn't be controversial.

It's not a big deal. You're just misusing the term. At first I thought you were genuinely confused about it, but now it seems clear that your video's title is misleading clickbait. And you know it, which is why you're so defensive.

Oh, and your team did not do 2 million DPS. They may have spiked that high, but the parse in your video shows 310k + 285k + 93k + 79k + 48k = 815k team DPS. That's certainly a nice number, but it's a far cry from your initial claim - and it comes from a map that no one's ever heard of. I'm sure this all sounds like malicious nitpicking, but the point here really isn't to criticize you, Matt. The point is simply to clarify, for people who may not know any better.

There's a reason that we use a handful of Cryptic-made queues to measure DPS; those maps provide us with a (more or less) consistent basis to compare builds. When random people see you make claims like the ones in the video, they can get misled about what a given build is capable of. There are only a couple of players in the entire game who are capable of consistently putting out 200+k DPS in an Exotic boat on a non-CCA map, and those performances require the support of extremely high-end teams. And when I say "extremely high-end teams," I'm talking teams comprised of top-20 or so players.

Meanwhile, cannon builds doing 200+k DPS are still very rare, of course, but not nearly as rare, and in any case, I can do 200+k DPS consistently in PUGs; the score isn't team-dependent.

All of this is to say simply that Exotic builds aren't overpowered, or at least not overpowered relative to the competition at the moment. To the extent I care at all about this topic, that's where I care. Your foundry video's nice; if you had fun doing it, then more power to you - but it doesn't say anything about the relative strength of EPG builds generally.

I absolutely agree that equating spike damage with DPS is not very fair. Sure, you can make a point that it's *technically* true, but again, it can be seen as very misleading. I mean, it's not rare at all when I see ridiculously high spikes at the start of my HSE, but I don't even have a sliver of thought to say to anyone that "hey, at this fraction of second my ship did that 500k DPS".

You also outline very well the reason why myself (and several others) don't consider numbers done in CCA to have any high value. It's just one map, and it ends so quickly that the numbers gained on there doesn't present any meaningful information about player's overall capabilities. Just like in this video here, done on Foundry map.

Is it entertaining to see something like that? Certainly. Is it somewhat impressive? Of course. But to do any conclusive remarks about overall sustained DPS, or to claim something is OP based on those results - that's a stretch.

arionisa

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

pfft2 wrote: »

mattjohnsonva wrote: »

pfft2 wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with it. It's just not 2 million DPS. :P

Yes that's right, it's approaching 2.7 million DPS, the figure is quoted as a team measurement, if you want the individual peaks of 1.1 and 1.3 million they are quite clearly visible in the video on the magnified real time parse readout.

When you bill your video as "this is what 2 million DPS looks like*," and then in your original post mention that Exotic is overpowered, the natural inference is that your build did 2 million DPS. Any sensible definition of the term DPS doesn't refer to spikes; we use the term "spike" for those. DPS is average damage over time, after all.

Not trying to pile on here, man; if you're having fun taking videos with exotic hijinks, more power to you. It's just not a particularly well labeled video.

(* - Worth noting, too, that you don't even mention the lower, "sustained" number on the youtube page for your video.)

The video states "this is what >2 million DPS looks like", nowhere does it state that "this is what >2 million DPS looks like from a single player". Don't criticise a statement based on your incorrect assessment of the statement.

The video also shows the build for the Annorax which lists a spike damage of >1 million DPS spike and >200K DPS sustained, if it's not on the YouTube description then that was just missed off, it's on the web site, it's in the video, if that's not enough for you then you clearly haven't watched it either, jeez!

The definition of DPS is damage per second, there is no precise or arbitrary designation for the start and end point of that measurement. Therefore a spike can be anything from a fraction of a second to many seconds, the very term "spike" is self-explanatory in that it is NOT a sustained damage readout but a short and instantaneous SPIKE of damage. The damage of the spike is measure in DPS, regardles of the duration of S. It is also known as an alpha strike and is measure in the exact same way.
The Spike damage of this team is greater than 2 million DPS and the sustained is greater than 300K which is exactly what the title states, just because your own personal interpretation of the title is different to the facts does not make it right.

You know, I really regret posting this video, in the future I will abstain from commenting or posting on this forum, the negativity from the population here is most depressing, it is full of critics, trolls, naysayers and doom mongers. Contributing to this forum should carry a health warning. This is my last post to the STO forums other than the recruiting thread we run, I really don't have the energy to argue with idiots any longer.

I didn't watch the entire video, I also didn't look closely at the ship build. Why ? Because I will never be a high/top DPSer as i'm an extremely casual player.

I did however, follow this thread as it unfolded and all I can say is WOW ! ! !

The WOW is not a reaction to the video, or the OP, the WOW is my reaction to some of the replies in here. It seems that some people have nothing better to do than come into the Forums just to rain on someone else's parade. You and your team mates had a blast playing a mission and you thought it would be fun to share a video of it. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

You go right ahead and post any other videos that you would like to share, some of us will enjoy them, some will just ignore them due to lack of interest, and a few will take it upon themselves to try and "rain on your parade".

All you have to do is just ignore the rainers, let them rain all they want, just ignore them, don't even respond to them and they'll go away and even if they don't go away, who cares. If you just ignore them and don't bother responding to their rain, the only people who's fun will get spoiled is theirs.